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Old 09-23-2012, 04:11 PM
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I just joined this 20 teams roto league with following settings:

Roster Positions: C, C, C, C, LW, LW, LW, RW, RW, RW, W, W, D, D, D, D, D, D, G, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, IR, IR
Forwards/Defensemen Stat Categories: Goals (G), Assists (A), Penalty Minutes (PIM), Powerplay Points (PPP), Shorthanded Points (SHP), Game-Winning Goals (GWG), Shots on Goal (SOG), Faceoffs Won (FW), Hits (HIT), Blocks (BLK)
Goaltenders Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Save Percentage (SV%)

-when should I draft my goalie/s?

With only 1 starting goalie, my first thought was I have to go for one with my first pick. With 20 teams, should I try to get 2 starters early? Or go for 2 goalies from the same team (like Fleury and Vokoun)?
On the other hand, with only 3 goalie cats, won't it be late to go for my first skater in 2nd round (could be 40th pick)?

Any help is really appreciated.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:47 PM
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With 20 teams and only 1 starting goalie, what will likely happen is that whatever is considered the elite goalies will for sure go in round 1 with the only question being whether it will be just a couple of sure things like Lundqvist and Quick, or also guys just a tiny step down, like Rinne, Miller, Bryzgalov, and Fleury. After that, there will likely be a lull, and then the minute someone takes one of the slightly lower goalies, like Rask, Lehtonen, Price, etc., you'll likely see a huge goalie run where everyone who hadn't taken a netminder up until then will rush to grab one or risk being stuck with the leftovers.

The key in your league is that you count wins, saves, save % but NOT GAA, which makes guys like Price and Ward - who start TONS of games and face TONS of shots - as valuable if not more so than a guy who might get more wins and have a nice GAA. Personally, I'd try to grab one of them, maybe in round 3. Either that or pray that when the goalie run comes you're not in a bad spot. You should be able to get a sense of when the goalie run might happen, as it should be when most of the 70+ point guys and elite defensemen have been snagged. It also matters where you're picking exactly, since your choice in round 3 could be anything from the 41st player to the 60th, and I think there's a good shot of both being there at 41, it would be a stretch to imagine them there at 60.

In terms of a second goalie, you could go for a guy who will play from time to time and could hold you over in case your workhorse #1 guy gets hurt. Maybe a Garon or Emery.

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You aren't going to get much better advice than what RizzeeDizzee laid out. Except I think you second goaie has the potential to contribute well in a roto set up with those cats so you want to be looking for a second goalie who plays on off nights from your starter and someone who gets a decent number of starts - like Hedberg.
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Anaheim plays a lot of sundays and off game days. So Hiller can be a solid option. Goals (G), Assists (A), Penalty Minutes (PIM), Powerplay Points (PPP), Shorthanded Points (SHP), Game-Winning Goals (GWG), Shots on Goal (SOG), Faceoffs Won (FW),Hits(HIT),Blocks(BLK)
with ten categories for skaters with FWS i would aim for an elite center maybe with dual eligibility as your first round and not worry about a goalie until the later rounds

Price and Ward - who start TONS of games and face TONS of shots -those are both sexy names but one such as pavelec is not as sexy but fills those rolls.
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Steve Ott c/lw
Zack Smith(super late round)
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Calllahan rw
Maxim Lapierre c/rw
Dustin Brown rw
Zac Rinaldo(huge pim guy) c
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Antoine Vermette c/lw
Jamie Benn c/lw
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With 20 teams and only 1 starting goalie, what will likely happen is that whatever is considered the elite goalies will for sure go in round 1 with the only question being whether it will be just a couple of sure things like Lundqvist and Quick, or also guys just a tiny step down, like Rinne, Miller, Bryzgalov, and Fleury.
The key in your league is that you count wins, saves, save % but NOT GAA, which makes guys like Price and Ward - who start TONS of games and face TONS of shots - as valuable if not more so than a guy who might get more wins and have a nice GAA.
-I agree. The thing is, if I have my pick let's say in the middle, after all the studs are taken, do I take Rinne, Fleury or Ward in first round? Or if I'm the one who can snatch the "elite tender" like Lundquist for that matter, will I go for it in the first rund? Or should I risk and wait until the goalie rush and hope to be around for a decent alternative?

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Anaheim plays a lot of sundays and off game days. So Hiller can be a solid option. Goals (G), Assists (A), Penalty Minutes (PIM), Powerplay Points (PPP), Shorthanded Points (SHP), Game-Winning Goals (GWG), Shots on Goal (SOG), Faceoffs Won (FW),Hits(HIT),Blocks(BLK)
with ten categories for skaters with FWS i would aim for an elite center maybe with dual eligibility as your first round and not worry about a goalie until the later rounds

Price and Ward - who start TONS of games and face TONS of shots -those are both sexy names but one such as pavelec is not as sexy but fills those rolls.
Attempt to draft he likes of:
Steve Ott c/lw
Zack Smith(super late round)
Backes c/rw
Calllahan rw
Maxim Lapierre c/rw
Dustin Brown rw
Zac Rinaldo(huge pim guy) c
Tuomo Ruutu c/lw
T.J. Oshie c/rw
Antoine Vermette c/lw
Jamie Benn c/lw
-True. With Anaheim's schedule, Hiller would be an excellent choice for a second goalie. The thing is with 20 teams, I'd have to focus on goalies early in my draft to get him as my backup. Alternative, get him later as my first goalie, than go for a decent backup with an odd schedule to Anaheims?

Nice list of forwards. I have them all on my radar, as I like to play with those cats, just never tried a league with this many teams AND goalie settings like that.

Thanks again. Any other input?

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I agree. The thing is, if I have my pick let's say in the middle, after all the studs are taken, do I take Rinne, Fleury or Ward in first round? Or if I'm the one who can snatch the "elite tender" like Lundquist for that matter, will I go for it in the first rund? Or should I risk and wait until the goalie rush and hope to be around for a decent alternative?
It's hard to say. One missing data point is the weighting of the categories. I count 10 offensive categories - is each weighted the same? If so, are the three goalie categories weighted the same as well? If the goalie categories do not add up to more than 25% of the overall stats, then there is less concern for fixating on goalies, versus multi-cat studs like Brown, Hartnell, Callahan, Backes, and Girardi. But if the goalie categories make up more than 25%, then that plus the fact that only one goalie starts for each team makes them pretty important overall. Personally I would not draft a goalie in round 1 of this format unless all the huge scorers and multi-cat guys are gone and Lundqvist or Quick is left. I'd roll the dice and grab someone later.
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Mercy, that Rizzee Dizzee advice is solid.
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Niemi, Kipper, Cam Ward are all great goalie picks around the 12th-20th goalie picks. I'd wait to see one of those names go off the board and then grab one that is left.

In a 10/3 category pool with 20-teams, I'd expect that you'll have to look at those guys surfacing around the 3rd/4th rounds.
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It's hard to say. One missing data point is the weighting of the categories. I count 10 offensive categories - is each weighted the same? If so, are the three goalie categories weighted the same as well? If the goalie categories do not add up to more than 25% of the overall stats, then there is less concern for fixating on goalies, versus multi-cat studs like Brown, Hartnell, Callahan, Backes, and Girardi. But if the goalie categories make up more than 25%, then that plus the fact that only one goalie starts for each team makes them pretty important overall. Personally I would not draft a goalie in round 1 of this format unless all the huge scorers and multi-cat guys are gone and Lundqvist or Quick is left. I'd roll the dice and grab someone later.
Oh, man... it won't get better than this. I absolutely love this forum! This is the kind of advice I was looking for. Hard to argue with that. Thanks again!

And no, there's no weighting of the categories. So even though I thought at first I need a solid goalie in the first round, I agree with you and that's how I'll approach the draft (I'll use some advice from Pengwin's article on hits&blocks league from the Roto PDF as well).
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