Players in for a down year - Page 3 - Fantasy Sports Forums

Filadelphia · #21 08-20-2012, 01:13 PM

I'd say Giroux, Hartnell, Byfuglien, Pominville, Vanek, Kovy, Eberle, and Moulson to name a few.

With the Flyer's offensive depth, I just can't see G and Hartnell keeping up their torrid scoring pace over another season. I think Byfuglien gets over taken by Bogo soon. Pominville and Vanek will have Hodgson as their center, short-term downgrade from Roy. The devils will likely play the super-defensive system they used to now that they lost half their offense in Parise. I think Eberle either starts off slow or gets injured, and Yakupov slides into the first line. And finally I've never been a fan of Moulson, and there is no chance in hell he will score 30 again with Okposo on the wing, 3 shooters on the same line means less points.

newfcollins · #22 08-20-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paddy

Also remember under Boudreau for a season and a half he had his team playing mid 90's devils style hocky. I never understood that, sure they ran into a CRAZY HOT goalie in Halak a few seasons back which was why they lost in the playoffs that year. NOT due to their system being what it was.

Everyone talks about Halak being the hot goalie and that was the reason for the change, but you need to remember their playoffs before that as well.

In 2007-08, they lost in seven games to Philly.

In 08-09, they won in seven against the Rangers (a series they were down 3-1 before coming back to win), and lost in seven to Pittsburgh

Then in 09-10, they lost to Montreal in seven.

Boudreau's style wasn't working come playoff time. Three years, only one series victory, and losses to three different teams. They had to try something different.

Halak and the Habs were the most recent victors, and that's why they get the credit, but the Caps weren't getting it done with their offence in the playoffs. If the Caps had gone to the finals the two previous years, then they wouldn't have had to change their style after the Habs loss. But clearly, it wasn't working, and they had to switch it up.

Jeffhabs20 · #23 08-20-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rylant

Wow. Can't give an opinion like this without getting laughed at and disrespected? Dude, don't be a dick. You want to have an intelligent discussion about it, and I am willing to do that; don't fling shit though.

Rylant

A dick , yeah right.

I've had enough of the bs talking about Ovechkin. So cant hear more anymore. Sure, i did laugh but thats not disrespecting you by any means. Just that when i saw ur comment , i was like, is that guy serious???

theIceWookie · #24 08-20-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paddy

I just wanted to point out two major things that had, imo, the caps/ovi messed up last year.

Backstrom only played 42 games last year
Coaching change

i think its fair to say that a healthy Backstrom would add 20 points to ovi's totals.

If the coaching situation was all over the map, team checking out on Boudreau and Hunter's head back in London, how could Ovi or the team get on the same page. With a new coach, offensively minded coach in Oates, the team should rebound imo.

if those two issues alone are fixed I say ovi is back to 80+ easy. Also remember under Boudreau for a season and a half he had his team playing mid 90's devils style hocky. I never understood that, sure they ran into a CRAZY HOT goalie in Halak a few seasons back which was why they lost in the playoffs that year. NOT due to their system being what it was.

now that I think about it I may try to snag Ovi while he might be affordable.

And the year before, Backstrom had his worst statistical season in his NHL career.

So in the two worst season's of Ovechkin's career, it happens to coincide with successive season's of Ovechkin not having a top line center to play with (whether through him missing time or just missing his game). Seems like a mighty big coincidence to me.

And he still led his team in goals scored and points in both seasons.

What's really interesting to me? Ovechkin went from 16 assists in 38 games (0.42 Assist per game) when Backstrom was healthy, and only 11 in the 40 games after his injury (0.275 assists per game). He also saw his highest assist total in the year Backstrom had his highest goals total.

Sort of goes to support that Backstrom is a big part of Ovies game

Rylant · #25 08-20-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffhabs20

A dick , yeah right.

I've had enough of the bs talking about Ovechkin. So cant hear more anymore. Sure, i did laugh but thats not disrespecting you by any means. Just that when i saw ur comment , i was like, is that guy serious???

Well, this guy is serious. My talking about Ovechkin isn't "bs". As you may have read in one of my following posts, I explain my position, but you didn't even ask my why I feel that way. This is a site designed to help people win hockey pools and to encourage intelligent debate about hockey. I believe that you are doing yourself a disservice the moment you come here with an attitude that you aren't willing to listen to others or call an opinion which is different than yours "bs".

Rylant

Dakkster · #26 08-20-2012, 03:49 PM

Differing opinions is what makes this forum awesome, even if we all don't agree with them. I've said this before and I'll say it again: If everyone gets their view tailored to be uniform we might as well shut this place down.

kbro · #27 08-20-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by reinjosh

People really don't think Kessel will continue that pace eh? Not that I blame them but do people realize how well Kessel played with Lupul, even before last season? It was night and day the very game Lupul played his first game as a Leaf.

If Lupul stays health for a similar amount of games as he did last year, Kessel will be a PPG player again. But of course, Lupul's health is the big question mark (although it's mainly centered around bad luck, not a continuing string of similar injuries that keep get aggravated).

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Originally Posted by hockeyrobot

Joffrey Lupul.

Haha - I got a kick out of this.

Agreed re: Kessel/Lupul. Well, moreso I just don't think Kessel will have an entire season like the first 3/4 of last year. We'll see stretches of that, but not consistently.

Jeffhabs20 · #28 08-20-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rylant

Well, this guy is serious. My talking about Ovechkin isn't "bs". As you may have read in one of my following posts, I explain my position, but you didn't even ask my why I feel that way. This is a site designed to help people win hockey pools and to encourage intelligent debate about hockey. I believe that you are doing yourself a disservice the moment you come here with an attitude that you aren't willing to listen to others or call an opinion which is different than yours "bs".

Rylant

Sorry buts it's really LIMIT of a comment, i didnt need to debate about something that made no sense to me from the start. I dont need anyone to tell me what my attitude should be. There is about 1% chance that what u said happens. Yeah, the site is to help people win hockey pools but not just that but do u think u're helping someone to say that Ovechkin is going to have another more dissapointing season which is very unlikely to happen. And just accept that i told u will be wrong. I can listen to people's opinions but if i was to listen ur statement about Ovechkin, i shoud lose my pool.

theslymonkey · #29 08-20-2012, 04:07 PM

In an attempt to get this thread back on track, instead of all the "BS"...

I think you can put Whitney and Elias as two players that should regress from last years impressive numbers.

Whitney on the Stars second line will have a tough time putting up the numbers he did on the Coyotes first line/PP.

kovalchuk17 · #30 08-20-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rylant

Kovy, you think Neal is going to have a down year? Do you think Sidney won't be able to stay healthy?

Rylant

Yeah, I believe in what I call slotting. Ryan Ma explained it in his Projections section of the guide. Pittsburgh was already #1 in the league by a noticeable margin in scoring and Neal goes from #2 to #3 with Crosby back to full health. Either Pittsburgh reaches an even higher level of scoring and Neal maintains his 80-pt self or theres a slight backfall and he drops a bit to the low 70's.

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