Still with that "KEEP 12" league I mentioned in the Carey Price thread, I had this trade offer rejected:


I give:
Jamie Benn, Loui Eriksson, Kris Letang

I get:
Tavares, 2nd round pick this year, 3rd round next year.


This was to a Penguins fan who has Crosby and Malkin. Yeah, he's stacked. But I beat him last year.


For what it's worth, here are my keepers:

Eric Staal, Kopitar, Benn

Kovalchuk, Giroux, Neal, St. Louis (thanks to the Price trade)

Letang, Shattenkirk

Smith, Anderson, Dubnyk


CUSP: Eriksson, Enstrom, MDZ
I'd like to trade Letang, Benn and Eriksson to upgrade Benn... and then keep Enstrom and MDZ.



Other assets: Strome, Kuznetsov, Conacher, Fleischmann, Visnovsky, Vermette, Johansen, S Kostitsyn, Williams and Berglund.

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DobberHockey Rules
14 Team Keeper, points only, best 12 skaters 2 dman 2 G count. Playoffs count.
F - Crosby, C.Smith, Wheeler, Parenteau, Hudler, Clowe, Grabovski, Atkinson, Frolik, S. Kostitsyn, Marchand, Peverley, Tavares, Read, Brouwer, Bickell, Gionta, Setoguchi
G - Anderson, Hiller, Markstrom, Brodeur
D - Letang, Del Zotto, I. White, Kronwall, Brodin, Nikitin

Kudos to you for putting out a pretty substantial offer.

I'm big on Benn and consider St. Louis the upgrade option on your team. If you were able to turn St. Louis, Letang and Eriksson for Tavares that IMO would be the deal to make.

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Johnny Canucks
10 Team Roto Dynasty League (G/A/(+/-)/GWG/SOG/PIM/HTS/W/SO/SV) 12F,6D,2G - 20 Man Roster, 15 Bench (Drop 5 Each Year)
Roster
F: Ryan, Hall, Callahan, E. Kane, Landeskog, Ladd, Pacioretty, Simmonds, Stastny, Voracek, Downie, Dorsett
D: Chara, Ekman-Larsson, Del Zotto, Girardi, Coburn, Souray
G: Miller, Crawford
Bench
Brouwer, Steen, Huberdeau, Kreider, Shaw, Granlund, Saad, Atkinson, Z. Kassian, Etem, B. Smith, Rundbald, R. Murphy, Anderson, Lindback

No kidding. That's a huge offer. I can't imagine it was easy to turn down.

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14T BiWeekly H2H. 4 C/RW/LW, 6 D, 2 G
Cats:G(3), A(1.5), +-(1), PIM(0.2), PPP(1), SOG(0.2), GWG(1), SHP(2), Hits(0.3), BkS(0.4). W(2), SO(2), OTL(0.5), SV(0.2), GA(-1), L(-1).

LW - Pactches, Benn, Ott, Foligno, Belesky
C - Staal, Thornton, M Richards, Giroux
RW - Ovie, Hossa, Callahan, Tara, Neil
D - Weber, OEL, Shatty, Seidenberg, Suter, Wiz, Beauch, Wiz, MacDonald
G - Lundqvist, Varlamov, Allen
Prospects - Schultz, M Rielly, Ramo, Brodin, RNH, Forsberg, D Shore, Trouba, Bjugstad
IR- RNH, Kulikov

What does his team look like? On paper he looks like a fool to have rejected it, but I'd like to know what his options were.

Also, what type of player can those picks get you?

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Keeper league (08-09 Champion)
16 teams (keep 18 NHLers, unlimited minors)
Scoring Cats: G-A-PTS-PPG-PPA-(+/-)-PIM-SHP-SOG-FW-GWG
Goalie Cats: W-L-SVS-SV%-GAA-SO

C- Crosby-Spezza-Ennis-Bolland
LW- Kovalchuk-Marchand-Landeskog-Boedker
RW- Pavelski-Oshie-Havlat-Burmistrov
D- Yandle-M.Green-J.Johnson-Carlson-Nikitin
G- Lehtonen-Varlamov-Hiller

Minors:
F: Brunner, Conacher, Adam, Nyquist, Phillips, Forsberg, Girgensons, Killorn, T. Johnson
D: Rundblad, Orlov, Sanguinetti
G: Greiss, Nihlstorp, Taylor, Zatkoff

I think I would rather have Erikksson or Benn than St. Louis. To me it's a matter of an asset continually improving vs. a depreciating one. St. Louis will continue to see his point totals drop, that's just age, whereas Benn and Eriksson are still not even in their prime.

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12 Team Keeper, Keep 17, Keepers
Roster: 4C, 3RW, 3LW, 5D, 2U, 3B, 3IR, 4G (Start 2)
Stats: G(3), A(2), +/-, PIM(0.5), PPP(2), SHP(3), GWG(2), HITS(0.1), BLKS(0.2), W(3), L(-1), OTL (1), GA(-1), SV(0.2), SO(3)

C: Crosby, Tavares, Datsyuk, Nugent-Hopkins, Johansson
LW: Hall, Parise, Silfverberg, Skinner, Conacher
RW: Seguin, Wheeler, Burns, Pavelski, Yakupov, Nyqist
D: Doughty, Fowler, J. Johnson
G: Schneider, Hiller, Fasth, Nabokov

If he's stacked then obviously he's looking to make moves like yours, trade excess parts for upgrades or picks. It was likely rejected because it is a backwards move. Would you accept the trade if you were in the Pens fan's position?

Note that you rarely ever get full price when you are trying to offload assets during the offseason unless you target an opponent who is just as desperate as you are to offload as he is to upgrade.

Last year I picked Benn eighth overall. The middle of the second round last year had:Phaneuf, Giordano, Mike Smith (my pick), Vrbata, Ray Whitney, Brian Little


third round last year had guys like Erat, Wideman, Hartnell, Erat, Theodore

fourth round last year had Wheeler, Fleischmann (my pick), Hedman, Johansson

etc etc


As for his team - he loves the Penguins, so I played the Letang card. He has 7 or 8 elite kids, and then a bunch of stiffs.

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DobberHockey Rules
14 Team Keeper, points only, best 12 skaters 2 dman 2 G count. Playoffs count.
F - Crosby, C.Smith, Wheeler, Parenteau, Hudler, Clowe, Grabovski, Atkinson, Frolik, S. Kostitsyn, Marchand, Peverley, Tavares, Read, Brouwer, Bickell, Gionta, Setoguchi
G - Anderson, Hiller, Markstrom, Brodeur
D - Letang, Del Zotto, I. White, Kronwall, Brodin, Nikitin

Those a little down on St. Louis, and that seems to be a lot of you -

He had 52 points in his last 50 games. Don't underrate what is left in the tank. If he gets 75 I get what I want. But I think he'll get 85.

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DobberHockey Rules
14 Team Keeper, points only, best 12 skaters 2 dman 2 G count. Playoffs count.
F - Crosby, C.Smith, Wheeler, Parenteau, Hudler, Clowe, Grabovski, Atkinson, Frolik, S. Kostitsyn, Marchand, Peverley, Tavares, Read, Brouwer, Bickell, Gionta, Setoguchi
G - Anderson, Hiller, Markstrom, Brodeur
D - Letang, Del Zotto, I. White, Kronwall, Brodin, Nikitin