I wouldnt be surprised to see them try to move Arencibia or Lind and one of there outfielders for some pitching help and then let D'Arnaud start.

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Straight Points keeper league. 4th year. Keep 5 Forwards,3 defence,1 goalie. *Keeper

F: Nicklas Backstrom*, Zach Parise*, Joe Thornton*, Mikko Koivu*, Jason Pominville*, Blake Wheeler, Joe Pavelski, Stephen Weiss, Derek Roy, Jakub Voracek, David Perron, David Krejci, Ryan Kesler

D: Mike Green*, Erik Karlsson*, Alex Pietrangelo*, Alex Goligoski, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Dion Phaneuf

G: Ryan Miller*, Tuukka Rask

Anyone whose buying, is for this year. Arencibia is done now and coulda been a great trade chip, but that's done. Selling on Lind, I'm all for it, and am sure AA is exploring that.

Other than Escobar, our bats are fine. We need stud pitching to compete with the east. Romero has clearly fallen out, and it would be dumb to move him at his lowest point. He will revert, he's too good not to. Maybe a change is best, but not now, you will get bottom dollar.
We need a Garza, Greinke or Shields (who TB will never trade within) type of hurler....and we got the assets to make it work, thanks to AA.

How about a Roy Halladay back for next year? Philly is selling and you don't think he'd love to retire a Jay? Just a thought.........

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Roto 5x5 - 1 Yr - 23 active spots (14 hitters, any 9 pitchers) - 5 bench

C - M.Montero, Gattis; 1B - Pujols; 2B - Altuve; SS - A.Escobar; 3B - A.Ramirez; CI: Frazier; MI: Walker; OF: Holliday, Cruz, de Aza, Markakis, Dirks; UT: ; Span P - Cain, Cueto, Grienke, S.Miller, Milone, Cashner, T.Lyons, Romo, Betancourt; Bench - H.Bell, Grandal (S), Ogando (DL), Pineda (DL), Stanton (DL).

Hehe that would be great but I don't see it happening.

Sadly, I think the Jays have nothing to give in order to receive something decent in return this year (unless they are on the losing side of the deal...)

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Keeper league (08-09 Champion)
16 teams (keep 18 NHLers, unlimited minors)
Scoring Cats: G-A-PTS-PPG-PPA-(+/-)-PIM-SHP-SOG-FW-GWG
Goalie Cats: W-L-SVS-SV%-GAA-SO

C- Crosby-Spezza-Ennis-Bolland
LW- Kovalchuk-Marchand-Landeskog-Boedker
RW- Pavelski-Oshie-Havlat-Burmistrov
D- Yandle-M.Green-J.Johnson-Carlson-Nikitin
G- Lehtonen-Varlamov-Hiller

Minors:
F: Brunner, Conacher, Adam, Nyquist, Phillips, Forsberg, Girgensons, Killorn, T. Johnson
D: Rundblad, Orlov, Sanguinetti
G: Greiss, Nihlstorp, Taylor, Zatkoff

As much as I would love the Doc to come back to the Jays, I'd put the odds of that happening at slim to none.

One of the biggest motivators for why he kind of 'wanted out' was that the team just wasn't showing signs of improvement and he wanted a chance to go for a championship. That is why I really wish the Phillies had won that year (can't remember which), when they came so close.

I think in order for Halladay to even entertain coming back to the Jays:
- Morrow would need to continue to dominate
- Romero would have to figure his shit out and return to being a serviceable #2/#3 guy in the rotation (I think painting this guy to EVER be the Ace of this ball club was a BIG mistake, and not just in hindsight...I always thought Morrow had the better stuff)
- Would likely have to add at least one or two more decent or half-decent starters to round out the rotation...Sorry but I'm not buying the Drabek/Alvarez/Hutchison kool-aid just yet. I do think Hutchison and Alvarez have good stuff at times, and Drabek is still young and may just need time to round into form...but we can't afford to keep putting so much pressure on these young arms, not to mention that them being so young, they're going to have IP limits anyways where they'll have to be shut down so even IF you make the playoffs you're gonna have a hole in your #4 and #5 spot in the order. While I love Carlos V and what he brings to the team I think he would be better coming out of the bullpen for this team. Maybe JA Happ fills the #4 spot which really wouldn't be terrible.

- Snider Rasmus and Bautista has the potential to be one of the best outfields in the league..Snider is showing now what he's capable of now.
- 3B covered by Lawrie..I still see SS and 2B as holes as Escobar and KJ just don't strike me as the 'winning' type.
- Encarnacion is having a career year and it's great to see how consistent he has been even after the extension signing but who knows if he'll regress next year.
- Lind - TIRED of this guy...need to sell while we can get some value.
- Arencibia - Horribly overrated and I think this guy is more concerned about being a celebrity than he is being a baseball player. Honestly...he was so hyped up coming from AAA and had an amazing debut but he can't hit for average for his life...and that would be okay if he was a good defensive catcher but I think he is absolutely horrible behind the plate

I really think that this team could benefit greatly from having an Ortiz-type bat in the 4 spot DHing between Bautista and Encarnacion...seriously can you imagine a lineup of:

Lawrie
Rasmus
Bautista
Ortiz
Encarnacion
Snider
Whoever you've got at 2B/SS/C

Wow random rant...don't even remember what my point was to begin with but I'll just press 'post' lol.

Let's just hope that they tank the rest of the way and all of these guys coming back don't do a damn thing.

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12 team H2H Keeper
G,A,PP,PIM,SOG
W,GAA,SV%,SO
C:Giroux,Zberg,Marleau,Kadri
LW:Ovi,Neal,Pach,Benn
RW:Perry,MSL,Wheeler
D:Yandle,Subban,Edler,OEL
G: Lundqvist,Miller,MAF

12 Team H2H
R,2b,3b,HR,RBI,AVG,SB,BB,K,E
W,L,SV,HLD,K,ERA,WHIP
C:Buck
1B:Santana
2B:Kipnis
3B:Zimmer
SS:Tulo
LF:Marte
CF:McCutch
RF:Pence
Util:Ozuna
SP:Cain,Moore,Latos,Kennedy,Ryu,Guthrie
RP:Henderson,Rivera,League,Gregerson,Herrera
DL:Hart,Anderson,Bailey

Might as well eh?

God, I can't believe how ugly Romero's starts are now. 8 walks on Tuesday..what the frig. Part of me hopes he suffers a minor injury to spare what's left of his shattered confidence.

Check out his Yahoo page...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8424

He has straight up lost 10 of his last 11 starts. I wont even calculate the numbers over that span but theyre obviously terrible.

Listening to the radio this past week and lots of talk of just shutting him down....although theyd say it was for some sort of injury.

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12 team H2H Keeper
G,A,PP,PIM,SOG
W,GAA,SV%,SO
C:Giroux,Zberg,Marleau,Kadri
LW:Ovi,Neal,Pach,Benn
RW:Perry,MSL,Wheeler
D:Yandle,Subban,Edler,OEL
G: Lundqvist,Miller,MAF

12 Team H2H
R,2b,3b,HR,RBI,AVG,SB,BB,K,E
W,L,SV,HLD,K,ERA,WHIP
C:Buck
1B:Santana
2B:Kipnis
3B:Zimmer
SS:Tulo
LF:Marte
CF:McCutch
RF:Pence
Util:Ozuna
SP:Cain,Moore,Latos,Kennedy,Ryu,Guthrie
RP:Henderson,Rivera,League,Gregerson,Herrera
DL:Hart,Anderson,Bailey

I didn't even think Ricky Ro was good when he had that great W/L ratio to start the season. I noticed he was having some serious control issues but he was getting solid run support, which was leading to him winning games he would normally lose.

Just a bad year all around from him. He needs to regroup and try to refocus next year. I also think the pressure may have gotten to him this year a bit.

What? You mean that half of the ad campaign was based around him? Or that the media were touting him as the ace over Morrow?

Sarcasm aside YES he needs to regroup BIG time. I know it's unlikely with the FA crop this offseason but Id love to see him start the year as the #3 pitcher for the Jays behind Morrow and someone else.

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12 team H2H Keeper
G,A,PP,PIM,SOG
W,GAA,SV%,SO
C:Giroux,Zberg,Marleau,Kadri
LW:Ovi,Neal,Pach,Benn
RW:Perry,MSL,Wheeler
D:Yandle,Subban,Edler,OEL
G: Lundqvist,Miller,MAF

12 Team H2H
R,2b,3b,HR,RBI,AVG,SB,BB,K,E
W,L,SV,HLD,K,ERA,WHIP
C:Buck
1B:Santana
2B:Kipnis
3B:Zimmer
SS:Tulo
LF:Marte
CF:McCutch
RF:Pence
Util:Ozuna
SP:Cain,Moore,Latos,Kennedy,Ryu,Guthrie
RP:Henderson,Rivera,League,Gregerson,Herrera
DL:Hart,Anderson,Bailey

Romero might want to lay off the skittles. Just a thought.
And I agree 100% that his problems have been going on all year but were concealed by the run support he was getting earlier.
Morrow is clearly the ace of this staff, so they should build around him.

In fairness to AA, when you lose 60% of your rotation to injury all at the same time, that is eventually going to wreck your season, especially when another 20% (Romero) sucks and another 20% (Alvarez) is still a pup with consistency issues. Add to that losing one of the best power hitters in baseball to injury, and then losing Lawrie, and Arencibia etc.... well, no team would have the depth to recover from all that.
I still like their overall direction. And their bullpen next season should be dominant.