With yesterday's development of Kuznetsov sigining in Russia for 2 more years, what do you guys see as the most likely scenario with this player?

Doesn't sign, re-enters 2012 Draft
Signs with WSH
WSH trades his rights

If he does re-enter the 2012 Draft I am very intrigued to see where he would go. The Russian factor is always in play and he's already commited there for 2 more years and who knows how much longer!

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If/when he comes to the NHL, I don't really see him playing for anyone but WSH.

this is news to me...I did not know that he could possibly re-enter the 2012 draft. Does that make any sense to anyone else?

I know players can eventually re-enter the draft, but 2012 seems too soon for Kuznetsov. Can anyone confirm this as an option?

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im still hoping this is a backup plan in case the nhl strikes. i hope to see him playing with ovi soon.

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I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think it's different for KHL players. Major junior and Euro prospects must be signed within 2 years, but I think because of the transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL players taken from Russia do not have to be signed so soon.

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I think the Caps hold on to his rights indefinitely because (as mentioned above) there is no transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL.

I think.

I’m going to try typing this post for the third time, something keeps happening with this site and it won’t accept my post. I will make this one shorter.

Players drafted out of Russia are different. Nothing has really changed in this new CBA (except for the bottom of this post). Kuznetsov gets treated as "defected status" and can not re-enter the draft.

Other than that, standard draft rules apply when it comes to who can and can not re-enter the draft.

They are basically as follows:

A player not signed by his NHL team within two years of being drafted can re-enter the draft, as long as he is 20 years old or younger at the time of the subsequent draft. Players over 20 become unrestricted free agents.

NCAA players are an exception: NHL teams retain the rights to a college player until 30 days after the player has left college.

A team that does not sign a first-round draft pick is awarded a compensatory pick in a future draft upon losing the rights to that player.

A player who has been drafted a second time cannot re-enter.

We all remember Fedor Fedorov re-entering the draft. Haha.

Some changes that happened during the last round of CBA talks include:

•European Players - Prior to 2005, NHL teams retained the rights to a European player until that player turned 31. Drafted Europeans must now be signed within two years, the same as North Americans, or the team loses the rights to the player.

•NCAA Players - As of 2004, 18-year-old players from NCAA Division I schools can be drafted and retain their college eligibility as long as they don't play for a pro team or hire an agent. In previous years, an 18-year-old who opted into the draft lost his NCAA eligibility.

•Compensatory Picks - As of 2005, a team that loses a veteran player as an unrestricted free agent is no longer awarded a compensatory pick in a future draft.

•A Shorter Draft - The draft was reduced from nine to seven rounds as of 2005.

The discussion happened a while ago, near the WJC. Carcillo (I think) had it cleared up.


Actually, the case with Russia is different since there is no transfer agreement between them and the NHL, unlike the CHL teams and Europe (2 years each) and the NCAA (until they leave college, as well placed above).


Before the lockout (or thereabouts), players from Europe would have their rights held indefinately. How else would, for example, the Leafs hold prospects rights for players such as Korbinian Holzer and Leo Komarov (2004/2005 draftees) still going into 2010? Because there was no transfer agreement when they were drafted.


Kuznetsov, being part of the KHL, is not subject to his rights losing hold after a while, and as such is not eligible to re-enter the draft in 2012. I also believe that the NHL draft applies only to players between 18 and 21 years of age as of their cut-off date that is early september I believe.


I'm trying to find the thread where it was all discussed a while back and clear as day (I was debating it with Carcillo) but the forums are rather sluggish lately so I'm unable to perform a search in the very limited time I have right now.

EDIT : http://forums.dobbersports.com/showt...=128555&page=2

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[1] If it happened in 2005, I would agree with you. Haha.

[2] Makes sense

[3] Please do. I don't believe he would be eligible as soon as this years draft anyway, but that is something I left out in this post (because of the site deleting my post twice).

But, yeah, let's clear this issue up because I am 100% confident in my post/knowledge/sources when it comes to this discussion.

EDIT...and after more discussion with my source, things are up in the air. We know the answer with "defected status", but want the exact language to clear things up. I will be back in the morning.