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Old 03-25-2012, 01:19 PM
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All of this came up in a league where i made the following comment:

I view roster moves as a commodity that needs to be managed. if you make too many moves preseason, they you are up a creek later on. It also rewards managers with roster flexibility or the williningness to gamble on the streamers over their normal bench guy.

I have made 3 types of adds this year. 1. legit adds where i wanted the player and planned on keeping him. 2. saturday or sunday streamers. normally thugs that i play 1 day to try to catch PIM or Hits . 3. playoff streamers. You take even that small amount of streaming away and you make the league far less competitive.



A note, this league has a 50 move limit for the season. After this comment i was accused of cheating all season since i had made a handful of moves solely to stream a guy for saturday and/or sunday to win a category.

I know that streaming and rules against streaming abound, and it seems like everyone have an opinion on it.

Is it ok to save moves till the playoffs to stream guys then?
Is it ok to add a good on sunday to win pim if it is close?
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Old 03-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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Let me start off by saying that I hate streaming. I think a fantasy team should be run more like a real team, and NHL clubs can't stream. That being said, what you did was great strategy as it fits in with the league's 50 move limit. Your strategy to gain a losing category by switching in players was a good one as well.

If there aren't rules about saving games for the playoffs, then you're fine. Personally, I like leagues that cut off all moves going into the playoffs. Makes it more more cut-throat.
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Stream away. We put a cap in of weekly moves this year so it's not crazy but there's nothing wrong with it in my opinion. Leagues are set up that way.
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Yeah, the only time I'd say it's wrong to stream is when there are rules against it. I like a cap of 1 or 2 moves per week to limit streaming capabilities. To be fair though everyone has the opportunity to do it and it has a legitimate strategy to it. Personally, to me it's like in a playoff series when teams have that wildcard, energy guy they can bring in to try and swing momentum. I actually love when everyone is cognizant of the strategy so everyone is battling against each other for the best players to stream and everyone has their own strategies for how to best approach it.

The resolution to streaming is weekly lineups or only having adds on one day per week but that's almost less fun.
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All of this came up in a league where i made the following comment:

I view roster moves as a commodity that needs to be managed. if you make too many moves preseason, they you are up a creek later on. It also rewards managers with roster flexibility or the williningness to gamble on the streamers over their normal bench guy.

I have made 3 types of adds this year. 1. legit adds where i wanted the player and planned on keeping him. 2. saturday or sunday streamers. normally thugs that i play 1 day to try to catch PIM or Hits . 3. playoff streamers. You take even that small amount of streaming away and you make the league far less competitive.



A note, this league has a 50 move limit for the season. After this comment i was accused of cheating all season since i had made a handful of moves solely to stream a guy for saturday and/or sunday to win a category.

I know that streaming and rules against streaming abound, and it seems like everyone have an opinion on it.

Is it ok to save moves till the playoffs to stream guys then?
Is it ok to add a good on sunday to win pim if it is close?
Yup.

Streaming is a legitimate and intelligent strategy. No player has an unfair advantage, and the rules permit it.

Don't doubt yourself here. I had one GM (I use this term loosely) this year who accused me of cheating because I sat my goalies after I locked the week's goalies stats. Go figure.
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I don't think streaming is cheating as long as you are playing within the rules. If you get to make 50 moves a season, use them in whatever way you want.

In my league, we have a cap on moves/season, and during playoffs there is an additional weekly cap to avoid teams completely turning over their lineup every 2 days. This allows for moves to maximize games/wk, but owners have to be strategic because they only get 5 moves/wk during playoffs.
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Well, I personally am anti-streaming, but only because from my experience for every 1 knowledgable you see who uses it as an efficient strategic tool, there's 2 idiots who wind up either destroying their teams and bailing, or screwing up the competitive balance of the league by dropping very, very good players for a favorable matchup "today"

Plus, there are many studies that are just now coming to light that point to a direct correlation between the increase in popularity of streaming and the rapidly rising problem of KKS (Killed Kitten Syndrome). and global warming.

But, I guess streaming's okay if you want to drop Malkin for Andreas Nodl, ruin the environment and kill kittens.
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It is the commissioner's responsibility to set up a system (on the fantasy hockey platform) that achieves the league's intended transaction goals.
Do what you will with the league's official transaction set-up.
If somebody doesn't like it... that's the commissioner's problem. [And I commish several leagues]

My ranks from best to worst set-up:
BEST: Weekly transaction limit. (Less is better. 2 is typically a good number).
MIDDLE: Yearly transaction limit. (Less is better. 25-50 is a good range, I prefer 25.)
WORST: Unlimited transaction limit. (In my least favourite league this year, the commish failed to modify this. The top two teams both have over 200 moves... everybody else is below 30. It killed the league's competitiveness & fun. And yes, I'm one of the top two teams)


In one of my leagues this year, the commissioner wants "no streaming" but set-up a "yearly transaction limit".
This is an unexperienced commissioner... nice guy, but needs more experience.
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It is the commissioner's responsibility to set up a system (on the fantasy hockey platform) that achieves the league's intended transaction goals.
Do what you will with the league's official transaction set-up.
If somebody doesn't like it... that's the commissioner's problem. [And I commish several leagues]

My ranks from best to worst set-up:
BEST: Weekly transaction limit. (Less is better. 2 is typically a good number).
MIDDLE: Yearly transaction limit. (Less is better. 25-50 is a good range, I prefer 25.)
WORST: Unlimited transaction limit. (In my least favourite league this year, the commish failed to modify this. The top two teams both have over 200 moves... everybody else is below 30. It killed the league's competitiveness & fun. And yes, I'm one of the top two teams)


In one of my leagues this year, the commissioner wants "no streaming" but set-up a "yearly transaction limit".
This is an unexperienced commissioner... nice guy, but needs more experience.
+1 on all of this.

Streaming is not wrong when it's within the rules, to avoid the 200+ move teams all leagues should have some rule against it. In my head-2-head we have a 2 moves/week cap and we usually see 3-4 managers make an add on Sunday, usually its a spot start goalie or a PIM/Hit guy.
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