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horrorfan · #11 08-10-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoeless

Horrorfan, have you done anything with a custom ranking yet? I haven't but would love to play with it - say in the context of J_Mac's stuff on D vs F rankings.

Not yet. Slowly but surely I am making my own projections to use but still have plenty to do, so now I'm just using last year's numbers.

EDIT: Ah you mean more than a ranking. I will have my own pre-draft prep once I get all the numbers in. With our settings, value differences will be interesting to see.

TwoPuckCanuck · #12 08-10-2011, 09:21 AM

Veryy cool new tool!

Goodbye excel spreadsheet mess.

behindthegeek · #13 08-10-2011, 03:33 PM

Great feedback guys. Shoeless has already fired me off some emails, but if anyone else wants to give more detailed feedback, ask questions, or send bug reports, the fastest response will come via direct email since I'm supposedly at work right now.

So if you want to get in touch: jamie@hockeypoolgeek.com

This is kind of a "soft launch" at the moment with some big fanfare to come next week. So please, any issues - let me know!

behindthegeek · #14 08-10-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by horrorfan

Another one, maybe this had been covered in testing but will throw it out there anyway. When I click on 'top available by stat', it doesn't always list it by HPG order or even by that stat. I am unable to change it to sort on the list as well. Perhaps it balances need, however, if my need is that stat, shouldn't the higher ones be at the top, in terms of HPG and that stat?

For example, I need FOW as highest priority (note I have chosen 2G and 1LW already, that's all). I click 'top available by stat' and 'FOW'. The most valuable player by HPG is Backes and Kesler, but they are listed fourth and sixth respectively. However, they rank multi position or wingers higher: Pavelski, Giroux and Zetterberg.

So, even though it's telling me to get FOW next, are they saying that Pavelski is a better option at this point instead of Backes or Kesler, even though his HPG is worse and his FOW is comparable to Backes but much worse than Kesler?

Just trying to understand it. Thanks in advance.

I'm looking into this now. I'll let you know.

behindthegeek · #15 08-10-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by horrorfan

Another one, maybe this had been covered in testing but will throw it out there anyway. When I click on 'top available by stat', it doesn't always list it by HPG order or even by that stat. I am unable to change it to sort on the list as well. Perhaps it balances need, however, if my need is that stat, shouldn't the higher ones be at the top, in terms of HPG and that stat?

For example, I need FOW as highest priority (note I have chosen 2G and 1LW already, that's all). I click 'top available by stat' and 'FOW'. The most valuable player by HPG is Backes and Kesler, but they are listed fourth and sixth respectively. However, they rank multi position or wingers higher: Pavelski, Giroux and Zetterberg.

So, even though it's telling me to get FOW next, are they saying that Pavelski is a better option at this point instead of Backes or Kesler, even though his HPG is worse and his FOW is comparable to Backes but much worse than Kesler?

Just trying to understand it. Thanks in advance.

OK, so - I think this is mostly an issue of clarifying the data that's being presented, which we need to do a better job of in this "top available by stat" list.

Basically, what you're seeing is a list of players ranked not by total HPG value and not by the stat category totals (e.g. most goals to least goals), but the HPG value for that particular category. Although we usually only display the total HPG value for players, in roto leagues a player has an HPG value for every stat, as well as an overall value. The "top by stat" lists in the draft guru reflect that individual stat HPG value.

Let me give you an example. In a draft guru for one of my own leagues, the "top by stat" list for goals looks like this (Total HPG value/goal total in parentheses):

#1 Perry (140.39 / 50)
#2 Stamkos (64.12 / 45)
#3 Iginla (53.89 / 43)
#4 Kesler (77.98 / 41)
#5 D. Sedin (106.50 / 41)
#6 Byfuglien (66.79 / 20)
#7 Visnovsky (56.80 / 18)
#8 E. Staal (50.41 / 33)
#9 Lidstrom (51.30 / 16)
#10 Ovechkin (72.65 / 32)

So, in neither total HPG order or total G order. What's up with that??

Well, here's how the list looks using the HPG values for the G category:

#1 Perry - 23.13
#2 Stamkos - 18.53
#3 Iginla - 16.76
#4 Kesler - 14.89
#5 D. Sedin - 14.41
#6 Byfuglien - 10.59
#7 Visnovsky - 8.77
#8 E. Staal - 7.6
#9 Lidstrom - 6.95
#10 Ovechkin - 6.22

Makes more sense now, right? Basically, if we were just to sort them by, say, total goals, that would gloss over the relative value between the positions, which have already been calculated in the HPG values. So we present the lists in this way to show you which players will give you the most bank for the buck for each stat.

Does that clear it up?

horrorfan · #16 08-10-2011, 04:34 PM

Thanks Jamie, that's useful to know. Will that HPV by Stat be available at some point? If not, no big deal and at least I understand where the ranking comes from.

So in my case, with Pavelski ranked higher than Kesler, is it also calculating the value of a winger who takes faceoffs? Even though they take less than the centres, their relative value is greater. I'm thinking so, because the top four on this list are wingers who take faceoffs. Number five is Toews, and six is Kesler. And since Toews had more FOW than Kesler, that makes sense.

Of course, we have to use our judgment on such instances and determine what's more important, however just want to understand how it's recommending one guy over another, if beyond one stat.

Thanks, really appreciate the work you and Paul have put into this tool. Awesome job.

behindthegeek · #17 08-10-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by horrorfan

Thanks Jamie, that's useful to know. Will that HPV by Stat be available at some point? If not, no big deal and at least I understand where the ranking comes from.

So in my case, with Pavelski ranked higher than Kesler, is it also calculating the value of a winger who takes faceoffs? Even though they take less than the centres, their relative value is greater. I'm thinking so, because the top four on this list are wingers who take faceoffs. Number five is Toews, and six is Kesler. And since Toews had more FOW than Kesler, that makes sense.

Of course, we have to use our judgment on such instances and determine what's more important, however just want to understand how it's recommending one guy over another, if beyond one stat.

Thanks, really appreciate the work you and Paul have put into this tool. Awesome job.

Yup, it does take positions into account... and a winger winning a lot of faceoffs is more valuable than a centre winning a lot of faceoffs because the former is a lot more rare than the latter.

Thanks for the kind words. We work hard.

I think putting the individual stat values into those lists is a good idea, and would make the rationale behind the lists a lot clearer.

Mater · #18 08-10-2011, 09:36 PM

Seriously guys, absolutely incredible. Awesome stuff. Really looking forward to using this at the draft.

May see a decrease in PMs too!!

A Watch · #19 08-11-2011, 01:19 PM

Very nice.... looking forward to using it this year!

Shoeless · #20 09-15-2011, 06:57 AM

So my slow redraft started yesterday in a keeper league. I had already plugged all the keepers and farm keepers into the Draft Guru and now as someone makes a pick I just update the Guru with a single entry. As I get closer to my pick, I click on who is available - either BPA or by position or by stat category to narrow down my options on guys that would help my team. Even set the draft order so that the Guru has the team picking next presented in the next pick entry area. Pure frigging luxury.

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