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Old 03-01-2012, 01:46 AM
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There are two reasons why I think Jon is still alive. One, Melisandre could do something, two. He called Ghost to him and if you remember the prologue to book 5, it's like a nice bookend to the book basically.

I hadn't heard about the whole Rhaegar thing. I love that. Plus, he's my favorite storyline so it can't be over.
What do you mean he called Ghost to him? That wasn't Jon in that prologue to Book 5 was it?

And yeah....when I heard the theory I was pretty pumped as well so I read up on it a bit. You can find some pretty serious people that break it down into the timelines and it makes a ton of sense.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:50 AM
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No it wasn't, but haven't you seen the signs. Jon is the same as some of the wildlings. He can enter other beings like Bran and take over till he finds a new body.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:52 AM
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No it wasn't, but haven't you seen the signs. Jon is the same as some of the wildlings. He can enter other beings like Bran and take over till he finds a new body.
Oh yeah Ive noticed that. Arya too. But I just didn't remember him calling Ghost to him as he's dying.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:16 PM
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Yeah that's another part of my rant. Because I seriously don't think he's dead especially when Melisandre pulled her face switcheroo thingy with Mance. Annnnnnnd the fact that Jon is the ONLY connection we have to the Wall and he's been a major part of the story since day 1. I dunno about you guys but Ive always had thoughts that him and Dany will end up together.

But really.....fill me in if Im forgetting anyone that he's given us a scenario where we're thinking they're dead and they're not.

Bran/Rickon in Book 2
Davos after Blackwater in Book 2
Theon after Book 2
Arya after the tragic shit in Book 3
Catelyn.....sort of
Brienne at the end of book 4

All those deaths I did not believe. Brienne was close. When Martin kills somebody, he leaves no doubt: Ed, the King of the North, Tywin etc..

The connection with Rhaegar and John I don't get. Where did this come from? I guess that is why you would link Dany with John then? Strange.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:35 PM
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All those deaths I did not believe. Brienne was close. When Martin kills somebody, he leaves no doubt: Ed, the King of the North, Tywin etc..
I just mean using that same dramatic effect over and over gets tiresome.
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Jon's story just isn't done yet. I feel like him and Dany have to at least meet. I don't remember if book 5 made this obvious or if this is just a theory of mine but I think it's become pretty clear that he's Rhaegar and Lyanna's kid. Why kill him before this is realized?
No, it hasn't been made obvious yet. I can tell from most people that I talk to about the books that they haven't figured this out yet.

BTW, Daenerys actually witnesses a vision of Jon's birth when she's trapped in the wizards labyrinth in CoK, if you missed it.
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All those deaths I did not believe. Brienne was close. When Martin kills somebody, he leaves no doubt: Ed, the King of the North, Tywin etc..

The connection with Rhaegar and John I don't get. Where did this come from? I guess that is why you would link Dany with John then? Strange.
It was funny, I had never even considered that Brienne might be dead. When a friend of mine told me that Martin had killed her off, I replied "No, he didn't. She's not dead. Why do you think that?"
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Can anyone link me to one of these timelines that have been mentioned? I finished book five a month ago and need a fix. Jack Whyte just isn't cutting it...
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Here is a site someone passed along to me that goes through Jon's parents is disgusting detail. You can scroll over a lot of it because it goes through process of elimination to try to find out who they are.

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/...Snows_parents/
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I wish these books were fresher in my mind I love discussing them.

I got 2 feet in the "Jon isnt really dead" camp but all my theories have slipped my mind. I really need to re-read these with season 2 only a month away.

Regarding Jon's parents, I think he's a Targaryen-Stark hybrid. Born in the tower where Ned found Lyanna, fathered by Rhaegar.

Most hints point towards Lyanna and Rhaegar truly falling in love and running away together; not Rhaegar kidnapping her.

It's funny cause Robert Baratheon is portrayed as a hero and great warrior; but if Rhaegar had killed him rather then vice-versa, Westeros is probably a much much better place for everyone, including the Starks.
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