Fantastic list. Great work.

Considering my league is purely a keeper and 18 teams deep with 6-8 d on every team, this list is extremely helpful.

Also was nice to see that all 6 of my guys made the top 50 with 3 of them landing in the top 15.

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I've seen Doughty ahead of Green in a few points-only threads. I don't get that at all. Until Doughty actually scores 70 points in a season(he hasn't even come close to sniffing that) then i don't see how he jumps over Green. And i don't buy the Carlson argument at all. Green is far a superior offensive talent. Carlson is a far superior all over Dman(which doesnt help in fantasy). I just don't buy that Doughty is a better fantasy option than Green. It makes no sense to me.

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F: Huberdeau, Hall, Paciorietty, Spezza, Galchenyuk Grandlund, Baertschi, kassian, kreider, etem, Downie
D: Karlsson, Subban,doughty, Pronger, Pitkanen
G: Schneider, Hiller, Dubnyk /A-1 pt Win-2pts Shutouts- 5pts(2+3) PIM- .25pts
Keep 10
Top 13 count in scoring(4 d, 1 g, 7 fwd, 1 next highest scoring skater)

I see you've got adam larsson ranked pretty highly. is he that good? Is he an offensive d-man?

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10 Team Limited Keeper (Keep 7) Points Only
SALARY CAP (Player Salaries) League
12 F 6 D 2 G

F: Giroux, Tavares, Seguin, Ryan, Pacioretty , Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Pavelski, Ribeiro, JVR, Roy, S Kostitsyn
D: OEL, A Larsson, Yandle, Josi, Hedman, Faulk
G: Quick, Price

well, like I said, they are close. I can't speak for everyone, but I give Doughty an edge because Green has proven to be a bit fragile and I don't think Doughty has peaked yet. I know Green has hit 70, but I'm not sure if he will do it again. I think he is too injury-prone and that Washington has changed their game a bit. Green can, and likely will, still put up 65 pts, but I don't know if he passes 70 again.

As for Carlson, I don't think he overtakes Green while Green is on the team. However, there is a small chance that Washington deals Green when is contract is about to expire. They have some big contracts up for renewal soon and it will be hard to afford everyone. I could see them dealing Green and giving Carlson the #1 spot. If they didn't have Carlson around, no way Green would ever be dealt.

All that to say, the difference between Green and Doughty isn't a lot, and in another few weeks I might change my mind on the ranking. They are that close, but atm I give the edge to Doughty.

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10 team league, multi-cat, full keeper.

Forwards: J. Toews, J. Tavares, J. Eberle, J. Neal, A. Kopitar, T. Seguin, E. Kane, M. Duchene, J. Benn, M. Ryder, D. Brown, B. Marchand

Defense: A. Pietrangelo, K. Shattenkirk, A. Goligoski, PK Subban, J. Carlson, J. Spurgeon

Goalies: M. Smith, A. Niemi

Bench: R. Clowe, B. Dubinsky, M. Calvert, P. Mueller, D. Clarkson, M. Carle, M. Niskanen, P. Wiercioch, J. Halak, A. Lindback

Yes, he is that good, imo. I wanted to put him higher, but simply can't justify that right now. I've followed Larsson closely for 3+ years now. I've watched him play live multiple times and on tv many more times. I watched him develop from a 16 year old playing on the ice with Hedman, Rundblad, Karlsson, Erixon, and OEL, and I am convinced that he is the best of the bunch. He is a future Norris Trophy candidate. His overall game is what will make him elite and why I think he is the best of the great Swedish dmen to have been drafted recently. His offensive game is underrated, and I'd personally put him behind only Karlsson in terms of his offense.

I also absolutely love the opportunity he will get in New Jersey. Unlike OEL, who has Yandle ahead of him, he is the top guy in New Jersey and will be that for a long time. I think people will be surprised at how quickly Larsson adjusts to the NHL and the type of offensive numbers he eventually puts up. I wouldn't expect more than 35 pts in his rookie year, but long-term he has the potential to put up 55 pts.

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10 team league, multi-cat, full keeper.

Forwards: J. Toews, J. Tavares, J. Eberle, J. Neal, A. Kopitar, T. Seguin, E. Kane, M. Duchene, J. Benn, M. Ryder, D. Brown, B. Marchand

Defense: A. Pietrangelo, K. Shattenkirk, A. Goligoski, PK Subban, J. Carlson, J. Spurgeon

Goalies: M. Smith, A. Niemi

Bench: R. Clowe, B. Dubinsky, M. Calvert, P. Mueller, D. Clarkson, M. Carle, M. Niskanen, P. Wiercioch, J. Halak, A. Lindback

I'm in agreement with a lot of the Pen's thoughts here. The one trend I noticed in his critiques -- lower rankings for the young guys.

Take a look back over the last 4-5 years. You'll see that d-men rarely meet the lofty expectations they set up in big first years (35+ points). Most regress:

Tyler Myers: 48 points to 37 points
Enstrom: 38 points as rookie to 32 points following year
Matt Carle: 42 points as a rookie to 15 as a sophomore
Beauchemin, Ballard, and Meszaros all put up 35+ as rooks, none could follow it up.

Going back to 05-05 there has only been 2 rookie d-men that have posted 35+ and then followed it up with the same or better the next year: Whitney and Phaneuf.

When it comes to one-year pools or projections, I just find it might be a good idea to temper expectations for last year's bumper crop of blueliners: Subban, Shattenkirk, Fowler and Carlson.

They might all defy the odds, but the numbers don't support that happening.

A lot of them bounce back -- and I think when it comes to dynasty pools they are still worth lots (and I know that your initial post does refer to keeper leagues, so maybe this is more of a blanket post than anything)! Just don't start penciling some of these guys in for 40+ in 2011-12 too quickly.

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Points-only, Full Keeper Dynasty League
Active roster (no starts, just total points): 12 FW, 6 D, 1 Goalie

Forwards: Ovechkin, D. Sedin, Stastny, Nash, Kesler, Ribeiro, B. Richards, Selanne, Hossa, Fleischmann, Whitney, Lecavalier, Alfredsson, Okposo, Plekanec, Doan, S. Kostitsyn

Defense: Goligoski, Campbell, Gonchar, Bergeron, Liles, McBain, Vatanen, Timonen, Visnovsky, Giordano, Wideman

Goal: Luongo, Holtby

I completely agree with this. In one-year leagues, my rankings would have been completely different. The younger players would certainly have been dropped down my rankings. But because my list is for full keeper leagues, I'm quite confident about ranking players like Subban, Karlsson, Fowler and others so high. They may drop a bit over the next season or two, but long-term they all have so much potential and I would never pass on them for players in the twilight of their careers, even if those players have two or three solid seasons remaining.

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10 team league, multi-cat, full keeper.

Forwards: J. Toews, J. Tavares, J. Eberle, J. Neal, A. Kopitar, T. Seguin, E. Kane, M. Duchene, J. Benn, M. Ryder, D. Brown, B. Marchand

Defense: A. Pietrangelo, K. Shattenkirk, A. Goligoski, PK Subban, J. Carlson, J. Spurgeon

Goalies: M. Smith, A. Niemi

Bench: R. Clowe, B. Dubinsky, M. Calvert, P. Mueller, D. Clarkson, M. Carle, M. Niskanen, P. Wiercioch, J. Halak, A. Lindback

It's funny cux Seadawg has M.Green in oneof his leagues. You should try and see if you can get Doughty with your Green ...

As a Green owner , I would never do that

Peace!

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12 teams keeper league (keep 6 + 1 rookie) H2H points only

Start : C RW LW Utility D D G
Points are : A - G = 1 pt W = 2 pts SO = 1pt

C - J.Carter J.Spezza M.Richards
LW - A.Ovechkin J.Neal M.Pacioretty
RW - C.Giroux K.Okposo (rookie) D.Stafford
D- M.Green A.Babchuk T.Kaberle R.Whitney G.Clitsome
G - M.-A.Fleury C.Anderson S.Varlamov

Overall record 55-39-4

Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.

That is interesting, actually. My league isn't a points-only league, but even in a multi-cat league I'd put Doughty and Green 1 and 2, respectively. That said, I actually had Doughty and Green in this particular league and was offering them both around, and most people were interested in Doughty and not Green. In the end, I traded Doughty for a package that included Shattenkirk and Duchene (among others).

I know Green has his supporters and I can't blame anyone who likes him more than Doughty, but my personal preference right now is Doughty over Green.

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10 team league, multi-cat, full keeper.

Forwards: J. Toews, J. Tavares, J. Eberle, J. Neal, A. Kopitar, T. Seguin, E. Kane, M. Duchene, J. Benn, M. Ryder, D. Brown, B. Marchand

Defense: A. Pietrangelo, K. Shattenkirk, A. Goligoski, PK Subban, J. Carlson, J. Spurgeon

Goalies: M. Smith, A. Niemi

Bench: R. Clowe, B. Dubinsky, M. Calvert, P. Mueller, D. Clarkson, M. Carle, M. Niskanen, P. Wiercioch, J. Halak, A. Lindback

It may also be interesting to note that in the league in which I own Green, he was drafted (by me) 38th overall. Doughty was drafted (by me) 23rd overall and was the first dman taken in the draft. Other dmen taken before Green included, Weber (29th), Yandle (31st), and Letang (36th). Karlsson was drafted 4 spots after Green.

This draft occurred this past summer and involves many active, veteran members on these boards.

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10 team league, multi-cat, full keeper.

Forwards: J. Toews, J. Tavares, J. Eberle, J. Neal, A. Kopitar, T. Seguin, E. Kane, M. Duchene, J. Benn, M. Ryder, D. Brown, B. Marchand

Defense: A. Pietrangelo, K. Shattenkirk, A. Goligoski, PK Subban, J. Carlson, J. Spurgeon

Goalies: M. Smith, A. Niemi

Bench: R. Clowe, B. Dubinsky, M. Calvert, P. Mueller, D. Clarkson, M. Carle, M. Niskanen, P. Wiercioch, J. Halak, A. Lindback