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Old 07-19-2011, 02:38 PM
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Agreed! So with Connolly for as long as they can get out of him... I can see 70-74 points a possibility this season for Kessel. He just had 64 with marginal playmakers, right? Plus a huge dry spell in the middle half of the year...

If everything falls into place (no Connolly injuries or other significant injuries; Liles has relatively seamless integration on the PP) then maybe, but I still don't see anyone on the Leafs breaking the 70-point barrier this year.
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Old 07-19-2011, 02:54 PM
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Kessels production won't overly jump.

Connolly isn't exactly an elite talent. When he gets injured, who is Kessel going back to play with?

His absolute max this year is 70 I say. 38-32
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I think people are overstating the impact of playing with better linemates.
Even if they upgrade on Connolly at some point, a prototypical elite playmaking centre might help Phil reach the 40 goal mark, sure, but it will also hurt his assist totals as he will be the goto goal scorer at that point.
So I wouldn't be shocked to see 40-25, or even 40-30 at some point.
But come on, Phil Kessel - a point per game player? Not a chance. Mark my words.
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I think people are overstating the impact of playing with better linemates.
Even if they upgrade on Connolly at some point, a prototypical elite playmaking centre might help Phil reach the 40 goal mark, sure, but it will also hurt his assist totals as he will be the goto goal scorer at that point.
So I wouldn't be shocked to see 40-25, or even 40-30 at some point.
But come on, Phil Kessel - a point per game player? Not a chance. Mark my words.
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The question was what is his upside... 80-90 is certainly not out of the question for him to hit... a career 65 point player? How can anyone say that about a guy who is so young and has already hit that target... he probably still thinks like a kid and is therefore stupid. Let him grow up a bit and give him talent to play with, and mark my words (no matter how lost and one dimensional he has looked), he will peak with a season that looks like this: 44G 41A (80-90 UPSIDE) and maybe he does this once 6 years from now when he's 29 and his brain and Burke catch up with his body...
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Point prediction for Kessel?

Last three years
Team GP Goals Points
Bos 70 36 60
Tor 70 30 55
Tor 82 32 64

Seems like he is a 30+ goal scorer who will get 25+ assists. He also seems to miss about 8 games a year on average. If nothing changes, and neither he nor the team gets better, I would expect low 60's in total points. He will get his goals (a sniper who takes a ton of shots), but history shows that he is no setup man.

If you believe, like I do, that the Leafs are getting better, then I would put him at the high 60's (that is what I would predict) since he will likely get more assists from teammates. If the Leafs field a talented playoff team sometime before the 2020's, then I could see him going to the mid-70's.

Using Dobber's definition for "upside", I would peg him at 45G 35A. The stars would really have to align for that to happen (see Cheechoo, J.).
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This is totally absurd, I have him at 35-34-69

Leaf's fan's blow everything out of proportion!
so do vancouver fans. there are fans from every team that do, so dont just single out a whole team's fanbase when you dont agree with a prediction.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:15 PM
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The question was what is his upside... 80-90 is certainly not out of the question for him to hit... a career 65 point player? How can anyone say that about a guy who is so young and has already hit that target... he probably still thinks like a kid and is therefore stupid. Let him grow up a bit and give him talent to play with, and mark my words (no matter how lost and one dimensional he has looked), he will peak with a season that looks like this: 44G 41A (80-90 UPSIDE) and maybe he does this once 6 years from now when he's 29 and his brain and Burke catch up with his body...
I would like to take this moment to say that I am a Leafs fan before I address this.

80-90?!?!?! Who's he playing with Crosby? You want to know a guy who would hit 80 pts year in year out if he had a team around him? Rick Nash...and sorry to say Kessel is no Nash.

Granted he will score between 30-36 goals on average and yes I will also say he will hit 40 once or twice over the course of his career but he is not even a 70 point man on average. He is a 30-30 to 34-34 point guy per year losing 6-9 games per year due to injury.

1) He plays soft and is often invisible. Thankfully they show him during commercial breaks or us Leafs fans wouldn't see him most nights. He doesn't play the corners/behind the net. I get it he isn't a physical presence but come on at least bump and grind a bit....your not going to get the puck put on your tape all the time when your on a team that isn't exactly stacked with talent.

2) Needs to get closer to the net. Shooting close to 60% of your shots from the hash marks on the boards is taking him out of the equation. Your not going to score that far out on a regular basis. 8-10 feet from the net would improve his numbers greatly.

3) Speed. Where is it? He puts together a couple of good games and he seems to run out of gas. He runs into a average to slightly above average D-man squad gets bumped around a little bit and he is frustrated the rest of the night whether they are on him or not.

I WANT him to be an 80+ pt guy....but I KNOW he is a 65 pt guy.

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Old 07-19-2011, 11:52 PM
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I WANT him to be an 80+ pt guy....but I KNOW he is a 65 pt guy.
Bingo. I'd love for him to crack 80 because I know it will help my team. But I've seen him enough to know it won't happen.
I'm trying to think of a former Leaf to compare him to, and Sergei Berezin comes to mind. Very fun to watch. Flashy. Good shot.
But so predictable.
So very soft. Like right out of the dryer, with extra bounce pads, soft.
So one dimensional.
So poor defensively.

I don't mean to be so negative on Phil the Thrill. He's a quality goal scorer and hopefully he can work on the weaker aspects of his game.
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so do vancouver fans. there are fans from every team that do, so dont just single out a whole team's fanbase when you dont agree with a prediction.
I believe he was being sarcastic.
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