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Old 07-19-2011, 12:26 AM
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Is 70 points the upside on Kessel?
Absolutely not!!!

Upside is more like 80-90.

Remember these three facts... He is very young, he shoots a TON, and he gets the icetime and PP ops necessary to be an elite scorer.

Connolly is no Brad Richards, but Kessel will at least be a 70 pt threat for sure with him on his line... replace Connolly with a stud Center, add three more years of experience and there's that 90 point season.
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Absolutely not!!!

Upside is more like 80-90.

Remember these three facts... He is very young, he shoots a TON, and he gets the icetime and PP ops necessary to be an elite scorer.

Connolly is no Brad Richards, but Kessel will at least be a 70 pt threat for sure with him on his line... replace Connolly with a stud Center, add three more years of experience and there's that 90 point season.
I've seen almost every game Kessel's played for the Leafs, and I just don't see him ever being a point-per game player. I see his upside as 65-70. Even with an elite centre, mark my words, Kessel will just end up coasting more if he's ever given an elite #1 to play with.
He's also too one dimensional, and if anything the fact that he shoots alot will hold him back from being ppg... 20-40 is easier to do than 40-20 and he's not the type of player who gets many cheapo 2nd assists.
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I have him at 39-34-73.
This is totally absurd, I have him at 35-34-69

Leaf's fan's blow everything out of proportion!
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Kessel will get 31-29-60 in 77 games during the 2011-2012 Season. He is a career 65 point guy, not the 80-90 point guy we are being lead to believe.

and while we are tossing around figures...

Tyler Seguin will be a 21-27-48 point guy this year with a career 70-75 point upside.
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This is totally absurd, I have him at 35-34-69

Leaf's fan's blow everything out of proportion!

I agree with the Leafs Fan comment to a certain degree. They do overvalue their own, but really what fan doesn't.

you have Kessel penciled in at 69 points which is only 4 points lower than what you are calling absurd. Seems a little odd to me.

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I agree with the Leafs Fan comment to a certain degree. They do overvalue their own, but really what fan doesn't.

you have Kessel penciled in at 69 points which is only 4 points lower than what you are calling absurd. Seems a little odd to me.

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From what I've seen here, its pretty simple; Kessel has a 30-40 goal potential and a 30-40 assist potential. That makes him a 60-80 point guy, therefore he's a 70 point player. Draft him as such. If he gets closer to 80, great! If its closer to 60, no big deal, thats not bad.

On a side note: I personally have him pegged for 45 goal and 62 assists and he'll win the Calder.
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The question was what is his upside... 80-90 is certainly not out of the question for him to hit... a career 65 point player? How can anyone say that about a guy who is so young and has already hit that target... he probably still thinks like a kid and is therefore stupid. Let him grow up a bit and give him talent to play with, and mark my words (no matter how lost and one dimensional he has looked), he will peak with a season that looks like this: 44G 41A (80-90 UPSIDE) and maybe he does this once 6 years from now when he's 29 and his brain and Burke catch up with his body...
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The question was what is his upside... 80-90 is certainly not out of the question for him to hit... a career 65 point player? How can anyone say that about a guy who is so young and has already hit that target... he probably still thinks like a kid and is therefore stupid. Let him grow up a bit and give him talent to play with, and mark my words (no matter how lost and one dimensional he has looked), he will peak with a season that looks like this: 44G 41A (80-90 UPSIDE) and maybe he does this once 6 years from now when he's 29 and his brain and Burke catch up with his body...

I can see this happening, but the key is the "give him talent to play with". Kessel is just not the type of player who can do it by himself, and he is not the first guy you think of when you think of the cliche "makes other players around him better", he is one of those guys that really complements what is already a great lineup, rather than thriving as the central focus of a lineup. This is just my opinion, don't hold it against me.

So, if Burke can manage to put together a team with capable scorers, high end scorers, much better than what he has now, you could see Kessel have a career year like that, 85 points and 44 goals, but it will never happen if Kessel is the go-to guy and only elite scorer. And I'm sorry, Connolly is very skilled, but his injury history among other reasons prevent him from being labelled as an elite player. Colborne and/or Kadri? Time will tell.
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I can see this happening, but the key is the "give him talent to play with". Kessel is just not the type of player who can do it by himself, and he is not the first guy you think of when you think of the cliche "makes other players around him better", he is one of those guys that really complements what is already a great lineup, rather than thriving as the central focus of a lineup. This is just my opinion, don't hold it against me.

So, if Burke can manage to put together a team with capable scorers, high end scorers, much better than what he has now, you could see Kessel have a career year like that, 85 points and 44 goals, but it will never happen if Kessel is the go-to guy and only elite scorer. And I'm sorry, Connolly is very skilled, but his injury history among other reasons prevent him from being labelled as an elite player. Colborne and/or Kadri? Time will tell.
Agreed! So with Connolly for as long as they can get out of him... I can see 70-74 points a possibility this season for Kessel. He just had 64 with marginal playmakers, right? Plus a huge dry spell in the middle half of the year...
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