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Old 03-22-2013, 08:17 PM
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I am curious to see how Naz performs when he starts getting the top D in the league shadowing him. That should tell a great deal about his future production. I think he's a 55 to 60 point player.

I don't like how JVR disappears for stretches, but considering they got him for nothing (yes, nothing) I can't complain.

Personally, if I was Leafs GM, I would seriously be shopping Kessel and I would even explore the possibility of selling high on Kadri right now. #1 on my wishlist... someone like Pronger when he was in his prime. I don't believe the Leafs make any true progress until they realize Dion is a terrific #2 or #3 d-man, but miscast as a #1 .
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I am curious to see how Naz performs when he starts getting the top D in the league shadowing him. That should tell a great deal about his future production. I think he's a 55 to 60 point player.

I don't like how JVR disappears for stretches, but considering they got him for nothing (yes, nothing) I can't complain.

Personally, if I was Leafs GM, I would seriously be shopping Kessel and I would even explore the possibility of selling high on Kadri right now. #1 on my wishlist... someone like Pronger when he was in his prime. I don't believe the Leafs make any true progress until they realize Dion is a terrific #2 or #3 d-man, but miscast as a #1 .
I love the idea of shopping Kessel and have begged for this to happen for years. I loath the idea of trading Kadri :-)
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Kadri's development is going pretty well - Toronto did him right. It's hard to say at this point if these flashes of brilliance are indicative of his true skill level (and he's just been inconsistent due to his continued development and simply being young) - OR if he's just a third liner getting hot.

I think it's somewhere closer to the former.
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I doubt Kadri can carry his recent pace over the course of a full season, but I also think that's asking the wrong question. That would put him somewhere within or near the top 10 point producers in the NHL, which is a very lofty club and pretty unfair to expect of anyone other than the select few. But as far as I'm concerned, the guy has shown that he is a legit offensive threat capable of bringing it on any given night. And that is damn near 180 degrees from how I personally viewed him coming into the season, after he had a few nice games, and even a couple weeks ago.

That is to say that I've never been that big of a fan of Kadri for one reason or another. And while I'll likely never have him on my roster at this point due to the likely asking price to get him compared to other players, I'm done doubting him. The kid is good and has proven that my prior opinion effectively writing him off was premature, unjustified, or both.
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I am curious to see how Naz performs when he starts getting the top D in the league shadowing him. That should tell a great deal about his future production. I think he's a 55 to 60 point player.

I don't like how JVR disappears for stretches, but considering they got him for nothing (yes, nothing) I can't complain.

Personally, if I was Leafs GM, I would seriously be shopping Kessel and I would even explore the possibility of selling high on Kadri right now. #1 on my wishlist... someone like Pronger when he was in his prime. I don't believe the Leafs make any true progress until they realize Dion is a terrific #2 or #3 d-man, but miscast as a #1 .
If you consider L. Schenn to be nothing, then you are starting to realize that you also got nothing (yes, nothing) in return for him either, so no, you can't complain.
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If you consider L. Schenn to be nothing, then you are starting to realize that you also got nothing (yes, nothing) in return for him either, so no, you can't complain.
I'm a little confused. JVR is the leading goal scorer for the Leafs. More than Kessel, more than Kadri. I haven't checked but I'm confident Schenn leads the Flyers in turnovers, bringing very little else to the table, so I thought I was being nice calling him nothing.
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I'm a little confused. JVR is the leading goal scorer for the Leafs. More than Kessel, more than Kadri. I haven't checked but I'm confident Schenn leads the Flyers in turnovers, bringing very little else to the table, so I thought I was being nice calling him nothing.
Ya I don't understand this either. While I'm not the biggest fan of JVR. Scheen is one of the 10 worst players in the league. Even if JVR falls on his face and ends up a 3rd liner we win that deal hands down.
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I'm a little confused. JVR is the leading goal scorer for the Leafs. More than Kessel, more than Kadri. I haven't checked but I'm confident Schenn leads the Flyers in turnovers, bringing very little else to the table, so I thought I was being nice calling him nothing.

Not sure where you figure that from but he's only got 18 giveaways. That's less than half of your Phaneuf's league leading 37, and also less than the likes of Franson, Gunnarsson, and Kostka (your top 4 minute eaters) aswell. He also leads the league in Hits for defensemen with 115, and those are 115 devastating hits. Only 7 points but hasn't see a single shift on the powerplay this season. He is one of, if not Philly's most reliable defenceman outside of his first handful of games in the jersey.

JVR has just been classic JVR. There one moment, gone the rest. Turning 24 in a month and hasnt put up over 40 points in a season yet as a 2nd overall pick/forward, that's pretty hurtin of you ask me. I'm a fan of his but I'm just not suer what you think you got for what you think you gave up, that's all.
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JVR needs to be more consistent.

L. Schenn is not a top pairing defender. If he continues to work on his skating, he could be a very very good 3rd or 4th defender. Timonen and Coburn are a hell of a lot more reliable than Schenn. Even if you disagree, bragging that Schenn is "Philly's most reliable defender", while Philly is top 8 in terms of GA and currently sit in 4th last in the league is probably not the best angle to take.

Back to Kadri.

He has a lot more to develop to be considered a point a game player but definitely has all the tools to become one. And for those commenting that they need to see him against top defenders, and other teams top lines.....this has already been happening pretty regularly.
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Schenn is shit period. His 109 and whatever hits mean nothing because.95% of the time he goes to make a hit it is at ill advised time and it takes him out of position to make said hit. He only has whatever give aways because he is not good enough to get the puck in the first place and if he does get it he passes it to his partner immediately like it was a fu##### grenade. Anyone who thinks differently is just plane wrong period. Worst player in the NHL
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