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NikW71 · #11 03-19-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomm Bastic

Agreed. But Geno has one solid pro-day and everyone gushes. Local radio talking heads, especially. When Marrone was hired, all ya heard was how the Bills just HAD to pick Nassib at the 8th spot - Nassib-this and Nassib-that etc.

Now after Geno's pro-day, it's as if Nassib is all but forgotten and the pundits are falling over themselves to get to Smith.

Which is why I like Barkley. Not purely out of spite, mind you. But he's got the brains, decent size, and leadership ability. Arm strength can be improved.

I think a lot of GMs have become quite skeptical in regards to pro-days with QBs especially when Alex Smith and Jamarcus Russell have had 2 of the best pro days in recent years and we both know how they turned out. I think a lot of teams are going to look at the troubles he had versus K-state, Texas tech and Syracuse (which Marrone had a front row seat for). But I could be wrong ... Some GM's get a huge boner over some guys.

Like MetalDude said I would trade down, but then pick the highest rated WR on the board and then whatever you got for trading down to help you move up in the 2nd round to select your QB. Moving up here will be essential as Jax, Ari, and maybe even the Jets are all ahead of them and they are very likely to select their QB's here. Barring trades I think it's safe to say that nobody with picks 11-32 will be looking for a QB based on the comfort level they have with their own players, other needs or the level of talent available at the position this year.

steve_oshp · #12 03-19-2013, 02:41 PM

The problem with Buffalo trading down is I don't see a 'must-have' player at 8 that teams will pony up the price to move up for other than a spot or two. I don't see the Bills getting multiple picks from a team trading way up for that pick.
Still a good strategy if they are confident their QB will last a few more slots in the first round.

NikW71 · #13 03-19-2013, 05:58 PM

If Milner or Jones is available still someone might bite and I can see both available. I've read many reports about about Jones quite possibly being the most explosive player out there but the spinal stuff might scare some teams off. One team may move up to take a chance on him

steve_oshp · #14 03-19-2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NikW71

If Milner or Jones is available still someone might bite and I can see both available. I've read many reports about about Jones quite possibly being the most explosive player out there but the spinal stuff might scare some teams off. One team may move up to take a chance on him

Good point, especially about milliner. Still not sure teams a lot closer to the bottom of the round will pay the price to move up. Guess we'll see, something unexpected always happens.

metaldude26 · #15 03-19-2013, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by steve_oshp

Good point, especially about milliner. Still not sure teams a lot closer to the bottom of the round will pay the price to move up. Guess we'll see, something unexpected always happens.

It depends on the price but I can tell you that a lot of the teams near the bottom have picks to move. They may not be great picks but for instance Baltimore and Atlanta just got four compensatory picks. They can't move those picks but they can move their other picks and having those compensatory picks makes that easier. San Fran also has a buttload of picks to move. Those teams are probably too far down to make it worthwhile for Buffalo to move down but they do have assets to dangle.

Minnesota and St. Louis are both teams seemingly on the rise and have multiple 1st rounders. It's possible that they see someone that is a can't miss, must have and would dangle both to move up or at the very least wouldn't be too concerned about losing their 2nd or 3rd rounder in a move up. So they'd be the teams to target if you are Buffalo.

At the very least I hope they are kicking the tires and having these discussions because simply drafting a QB at 8 is seemingly the worst option unless you know he is the solution.

Bomm Bastic · #16 03-20-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by metaldude26

Which is all well and good but if you are gonna go that route then you either:

1) Trade down to get multiple picks so rather than using such a high value choice on a guy who shouldn't go there simply because of need you fall back to take that guy at a more reasonable draft slot and add another pick or two (or three) to do so. The spray and pray approach.

2) trade down/out and land 1sts in later years - basically betting that you'll get your starting QB either by having multiple valued assets or that either your future pick or theirs will allow you to draft one.

3) draft a stud at another position and then wait/trade up from the second or third round to draft your guy. This way you draft a sure fire piece and then the most definitely CAN-miss quarterback you want can be drafted at a more reasonable draft slot.

Baltimore actually did a combination of 1 and 3 in '08 when they drafted Flacco. They traded back in the first adding two thirds and a fourth and then used one of those thirds and a sixth to trade up a little to ensure they got their guy even though he was rated a second rounder prior to the draft. And they did so starting with the exact pick the Bills have now.

I don't mind the idea of the Bills going out of their way to draft the guy they really want but simply using the 8th pick on any of these guys is overkill.

Well, I should have clarified. My assuredness of the Bills and Barkley at eight is contingent on Geno being gone by that point - due his pro day and subsequent hype.

Bills are going WR or QB in the first. A hypothetical long shot (if that's not redundant) scenario would be the Bills trading down from eight IFF both Geno and Barkley remain on the board. But if Geno is gone by the time the board rolls down to the Bills at eight, Barkley will the guy.

steve_oshp · #17 03-20-2013, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomm Bastic

Well, I should have clarified. My assuredness of the Bills and Barkley at eight is contingent on Geno being gone by that point - due his pro day and subsequent hype.

Bills are going WR or QB in the first. A hypothetical long shot (if that's not redundant) scenario would be the Bills trading down from eight IFF both Geno and Barkley remain on the board. But if Geno is gone by the time the board rolls down to the Bills at eight, Barkley will the guy.

That makes a lot of sense, unless the Bills actually like someone else more than both those guys. But yeah if the QB they like is there at 8 I think they go that route. No way they go into the season with Tarvaris Jackson as the only viable starter.

NoWayOut · #18 03-21-2013, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomm Bastic

Well, I should have clarified. My assuredness of the Bills and Barkley at eight is contingent on Geno being gone by that point - due his pro day and subsequent hype.

Bills are going WR or QB in the first. A hypothetical long shot (if that's not redundant) scenario would be the Bills trading down from eight IFF both Geno and Barkley remain on the board. But if Geno is gone by the time the board rolls down to the Bills at eight, Barkley will the guy.

Don't be surprised if you start to hear EJ Manuel's name here. His stock has started to rise lately and in some cases he's been bumped up as high as the #2 QB. Personally, I'm not sold on any of the QB's in this class as high first rounders with the possible exception of Geno. Late first, early second, yes, early first not so sure. This isn't a good year to be looking for that franchise QB.

Axeman33 · #19 03-21-2013, 07:44 AM

Is it just me or does this draft year seem to be weak overall for offensive players. Sure there are a few very good WR's but the QB position is weak and there isnt even a real top of the chart type of RB available this year either. If you look at most mock drafts right now, there isnt one RB listed as going in the 1st round.

Bomm Bastic · #20 03-21-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Axeman33

Is it just me or does this draft year seem to be weak overall for offensive players. Sure there are a few very good WR's but the QB position is weak and there isnt even a real top of the chart type of RB available this year either. If you look at most mock drafts right now, there isnt one RB listed as going in the 1st round.

True. It's deep for WR talent, but not much else. With the exception of Lacey, there are no truly apparent stud RBs. QBs have been discussed...EJ Manuel (as NWO mentioned) is too raw to go in the first (imo). He's got the talent, but he'll need time to develop. TEs meh, there are some talents but does anyone take a TE in the first?

Defensive fronts are a changin', and teams are stocking up on these players....and with the rookie wage scale in place there's not as much risk for GMs to draft linemen and DBs higher than years prior.

So probably going to see a slew of DEs and linebackers go in the first, with a splash of guards thrown in for good measure.

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