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Wait why is that Giroux can bounce back but everyone is saying Ovechkin won't..... not to hijack but still.
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Simply put, yes. Do not worry. Aside from a serious inujury, he will go a tear before too long. He outscored Jagr by about 40 points last year so I think it's obvious who was helping who more. Jagr will be missed on the PP though.
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I would like to submit to you some intersting statistics from last season

With Jagr in Lineup - 77 Points in 66 Games = 1.16 Pts / Game
Without Jagr in Lineup - 16 Points in 11 Games = 1.45 Pts / Game (only 5PPP out of those 16)

A certain winger that create a lot of space for Giroux to do his thing is close to returning from a foot injury. The buy low window is closing soon imo
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I would like to submit to you some intersting statistics from last season

With Jagr in Lineup - 77 Points in 66 Games = 1.16 Pts / Game
Without Jagr in Lineup - 16 Points in 11 Games = 1.45 Pts / Game (only 5PPP out of those 16)

A certain winger that create a lot of space for Giroux to do his thing is close to returning from a foot injury. The buy low window is closing soon imo
Exactly. Saying that Giroux is struggling because Jagr made him a 93 player last year doesn't make much sense to me. From what I can tell, there are a few things that are leading to Giroux's statisical struggles, aside from the general level of suck on the Flyers right now.

First, his shooting percentage is well below his career average. I feel pretty confident in saying that this will rebound and by season's end he'll be scoringon at least 11% of his shots.

Second, he's shooting less than he did last year. He had 242 shots on goal last season, and his prevous high was 169. Assuming his career shooting percentage of 12.2%, that's an additional 8 goals just because he was shooting the puck more. That's also ignoring assists he may have gotten on rebound goals by Hartnell or somebody else.

Third, did anybody honestly expect Giroux to get 38 power play points again? That's an insane total that was bound to regress this year regardless, but considering the fact that the Flyer's PP is noticeably worse this year Giroux's power play production is likely drop even further.

Do I think Giroux's going to rebound this year? To a certain extent, yes. His shooting percentage will come back to normal as the year progresses. When Hartnell comes back we should also see a bump in production. I'm just not sure if it's enough to get Giroux anywhere close to the 90+ point player that some of us expected this year.
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I would like to submit to you some intersting statistics from last season

With Jagr in Lineup - 77 Points in 66 Games = 1.16 Pts / Game
Without Jagr in Lineup - 16 Points in 11 Games = 1.45 Pts / Game (only 5PPP out of those 16)

A certain winger that create a lot of space for Giroux to do his thing is close to returning from a foot injury. The buy low window is closing soon imo
Well said, and that's a very interesting statistic that I didn't see before.
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I agree with the other posters, hold onto him.
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I think somebody forwarded him this thread. Great numbers today.
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Wait why is that Giroux can bounce back but everyone is saying Ovechkin won't..... not to hijack but still.
I was hoping someone would tackle this, but no dice.
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Well, three points is nice.
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I was hoping someone would tackle this, but no dice.
Totally different discussions, Giroux has been "slumping" for 14 games (not so today)...... Ovechkin has been slumping for 2+ seasons.
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Totally different discussions, Giroux has been "slumping" for 14 games (not so today)...... Ovechkin has been slumping for 2+ seasons.


This, perfectly said.
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