I think that putting Coyles ceiling even at 82 points is a little optimistic. That is very rare especially for a player of his mold.

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Totally agree, I always go high on upsides which led to me putting his ceiling at 80-ish, but in all honesty I have a hard time seeing him ever reaching that number. 25-55 or 30-50, maybe one year, maaaaaybe but I wouldn't bet on it.

Kreider on the other hand, I can say with certainty has an upside of 80+. Not that I'm saying he'll hit that number for sure, but in 5 or 6 years in a perfect situation I wouldn't be surprised by a 40-40 season from him. Coyle, it's a stretch to go that high.

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Interesting discussion here guys and great comparison!

I was really, really surprised to see what was starting to look like a sweep for Coyle and I'm glad a few chimed in with some Kreider love. I really like both of these players and forsee similar top end projections of a realistic 60-70 points. Not sure I see a PPG player in either of these guys...sorry but that's not such a bad thing all things being considered....very few prospects are. I tend to feel that Coyle's run with St John last season inflated his value beyond what it ever should have been and the same can be said for Kreider's fantastic playoff run last year. That St John team last year was simply absurd and it's almost impossible to take much away from those numbers (We're seeing the same thing again this year in Halifax). Coyle's AHL numbers suggest that he's transitioned fairly well but that -9 shows that there is still some work to be done. Kreiders numbers in the AHL have been nothing short of atrocious BUT it should be noted that he's been working very hard on his two-way game. New York are counting on this kid and want to make sure he enters the league with his best chance for success.

Someone mentioned that Kreider has found his way into Torts doghouse but from what I've read and heard this isn't necessarily the case. Torts is actally very high on the kid, as is the entire Rangers organisation. What he's questioned is if he'd be best served to keep working on his game in the AHL and I feel that's probably where both of these players belong for the rest of this year.

Both of these guys are very safe bets to pan out at the NHL level and they can both fill the stats columns so the only real question then becomes; who has the higher ceiling? I feel Kreider has the skills necessary to crack the 70 point mark and for that reason I'd roll with him. Pencil me in for 60ish for Coyle but very consistent production. Kreider may take a bit of tweaking to get it all together but if he does I feel comfortable penciling him in for 70ish