Would you guys in an offseason move Kris Medlen AND a guy I will drop Josh Johnson for Maddy Bumgarner?
Is he an upgrade on Medlen in your opinion?

Do you prefer Jered Weaver instead?
thanks

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of the three, i prefer medlen. weaver's peripherals are in a free fall. something seems wrong with his elbow. also, i am leery of bummer's sept. he throws lots of sliders, which is another red flag. at least medlen is healthy and on a team that appears ready to contend. and has a great bullpen.

agree with your plan to drop/trade JJ.

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Medlen:
THe positives:
1 - His stats were unreal.
2 - He's an NL pitcher meaning more K's without the DH.
3 - He's on a contender and ace of the staff it appears.
The negatives and only reason I'm not 100% happy to keep him
1 - 28yrs old isn't a big deal but he's an older breakout.
2 - He was an RP, meaning will he have the stamina to pitch 200 inns?
3 - had a very high strand rate...left a lot on the bases. (lucky)
4 - Pretty well unproven in a full season.

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3C, 3LW, 3RW, 1F. 5D,2G....5Reserves.
Goal heavy. G=3.5 A=2 Add 0.5pts for D.
Goalies:W=3,SO=4,start=2,Save=.1
Shootout Save=.2
C:CROSBY,STAMKOS,TAVARES,
LW:Sedin,MARCHAND,TLUSTY,ELIAS,Whitney
RW:MALKIN,YAKUPOV,Jagr,Brunner
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Bumgarner by a lot for me, and i love Medlen.

Bumgarner
Medlen
weaver

i don't think medlen will give you 200 innings.
i do think his ratio will be elite.
as an under-sized RH pitcher, i think he will always be an injury risk.
i think that risk is mitigated by his repertoire; four pitches which rely and accuracy and movement. his plus plus change. no slider.
he has one of MLB's best bullpens working behind him, which helps explain the elevated strand rate, and give confidence in predicting plus wins.
he is a risk, but less risky in some ways than weaver or bummer.

i am really concerned about bummer's elbow. the september loss of velocity and control, coupled with the high % of sliders he throws, i see a red flag. hopefully nothing.

over the last few seasons, weaver has shown a marked decline in his peripherals. 2012 K/9 a career low. three year upswing in siera, peaking at 4.02. babip, .241 in 2012, suggests his <3 era was somewhat lucky. critical #; he's lost 2 mph off all his FB's. every spring, he explains that the elbow soreness he experiences, is 'normal'.

taken all together, i think this is a good time to stand pat.

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g; rinne, elliott
bench; garon, giguerre, hodgson, orpik, d roy
ir; nobody, yet

I second this list.

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2 for bummy and one for Medlen...I'm no closer to a decision
Others I could target: scherzer, latos, greinke, sale, Gonzalez,wainwright,cueto, Halladay.

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3C, 3LW, 3RW, 1F. 5D,2G....5Reserves.
Goal heavy. G=3.5 A=2 Add 0.5pts for D.
Goalies:W=3,SO=4,start=2,Save=.1
Shootout Save=.2
C:CROSBY,STAMKOS,TAVARES,
LW:Sedin,MARCHAND,TLUSTY,ELIAS,Whitney
RW:MALKIN,YAKUPOV,Jagr,Brunner
D: BYFUGLIEN,YANDLE,VOYNOV,Carlson,Visnovsky
G:Lundqvist,lehtonen,Pavelec
Minors: Granlund
Baseball
Votto,Cano,hanley,longoria
McCutchen,Stanton,Bautista.
Verlander,Cain,Felix

Bumgarner
Wainwright
Greinke
Medlen
Sale

I like Medlen, but i take Bumgarner/Wainwright/Greinke in a second for him.

You aren't concerned about the above post about bummy's slider and elbow? He did slow down big time at end of year.

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Contract Fantrax 14 teams, 8 keepers. 4 max lifers +/-
3C, 3LW, 3RW, 1F. 5D,2G....5Reserves.
Goal heavy. G=3.5 A=2 Add 0.5pts for D.
Goalies:W=3,SO=4,start=2,Save=.1
Shootout Save=.2
C:CROSBY,STAMKOS,TAVARES,
LW:Sedin,MARCHAND,TLUSTY,ELIAS,Whitney
RW:MALKIN,YAKUPOV,Jagr,Brunner
D: BYFUGLIEN,YANDLE,VOYNOV,Carlson,Visnovsky
G:Lundqvist,lehtonen,Pavelec
Minors: Granlund
Baseball
Votto,Cano,hanley,longoria
McCutchen,Stanton,Bautista.
Verlander,Cain,Felix

I read an article last year about how the slider is the hardest pitch on the elbow and leads to the most TJ surgeries.

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