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Old 01-24-2013, 03:14 PM
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I think that Green and Markov are pretty good comparaisons in both cases. Both, if healthy, are #1 on their teams, but both weren't healthy at all in the last two seasons.

That is why both young Dmen were given added responsibilities faster than their respective teams would have like. But both of them were up to the task.
Agreed about the added responsibility. Both players have proven themselves as a result.

But comparing Green to Markov? Green put elite numbers up that haven't been seen in a long time. Green is much younger, and should be around for 5-8 more years at least.

Markov missed a ton of time, is much older, and has been unreliable due to injury. Two years from now, Markov won't be a factor, Green could be and should be a factor if he lives up to the contract he just got from the Caps.
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i was pretty sure it was the other way around. but i'll take your guys' word for it.
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i was pretty sure it was the other way around. but i'll take your guys' word for it.
No, you shouldn't. Just checked it, and you were right...
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Agreed about the added responsibility. Both players have proven themselves as a result.

But comparing Green to Markov? Green put elite numbers up that haven't been seen in a long time. Green is much younger, and should be around for 5-8 more years at least.

Markov missed a ton of time, is much older, and has been unreliable due to injury. Two years from now, Markov won't be a factor, Green could be and should be a factor if he lives up to the contract he just got from the Caps.
And in two years, Subban will be able to sign for Markov's money and more... the cap will be higher, and Markov will be off the books. Just take the two-year bridge contract P.K.!!

The guys in the room all did that, and even if they will not say it in the medias, they will be pissed at P.K. if he continue to put himself ahead of the team.
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No, you shouldn't. Just checked it, and you were right...
No he wasn't. As I said Burke paid more than offer sheet would have cost:

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"The notion that the Leafs are ready to make Kessel an offer got added credibility over the weekend, when Toronto reacquired its 2010 second-round pick from Chicago for second- and third-rounders in 2011. Getting back their own No. 2 for next year means the Leafs have their first, second and third picks, which would just happen to be the required compensation for the Maple Leafs to sign Kessel to a deal worth between $4.52 million and $6.02 million per season."
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No he wasn't. As I said Burke paid more than offer sheet would have cost:



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This is from the former CBA available here : http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366

10.4 Draft Choice Compensation for Restricted Free Agents

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Over $4.0 million to $5.0 million Two First Rounds, Second Round, and Third Round
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kessel signed for a cap hit of 5.4M$

But it's weird... I remember saying to myself that it was strange that Burke offered more than the offer sheet.
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kessel signed for a cap hit of 5.4M$

But it's weird... I remember saying to myself that it was strange that Burke offered more than the offer sheet.
The offer sheet compensation range changes each year based on the cap. Those compensations you listed were from the start of that CBA so for season 2005-06. The money required for the higher compensation raised each year since and at the time of Kessel signing a $6 million contract would only have brought back a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd in compensation.
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The offer sheet compensation range changes each year based on the cap. Those compensations you listed were from the start of that CBA so for season 2005-06. The money required for the higher compensation raised each year since and at the time of Kessel signing a $6 million contract would only have brought back a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd in compensation.
That makes perfect sense, thanks!
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And in two years, Subban will be able to sign for Markov's money and more... the cap will be higher, and Markov will be off the books. Just take the two-year bridge contract P.K.!!

The guys in the room all did that, and even if they will not say it in the medias, they will be pissed at P.K. if he continue to put himself ahead of the team.
I get what you're saying, but Subban doesn't care, and sees himself as more valuable than those guys were when they signed their 'bridge' contracts.
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Did you guys ever get the sense that the Kings locker room was bitter towards Doughty after he held out?

Both guys are pretty integral to their teams' success and their sitting out hurts the team as games are getting burnt.

Doughty didn't get passed the cup for quite awhile.
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