Martin St. Louis is more valuable than what you can get for him in a trade. I've found that youth is often overrated and old (comparatively) age is often dismissed as being an inevitability for steep points decline. I agree with the others in this post, I would be shocked if he didn't at least hit 60 and more likely 70 over the next couple of years. I bet you wouldn't be able to get an equivalent younger guy in a trade.

__________________
I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out.
- Rodney Dangerfield

Agreed.

I would be surprised to see MSL under 70. I see 75 ish points for the next few then calls it a career. I don't see him as a guy who hangs around past the point of being elite. Dobber had him at 83 points in the guide and provided this insight:

***** St. Louis took a puck off the face in practice in December, sustaining a lot of damage and costing him five games. It made
him angry. He had 22 points in 27 games before the injury, but 52 points in 50 games after. Yes, he finished at below a
point per game for the second time in six years, but his final 50 games say otherwise – at 37 he still has it, make no
mistake ******

Age is definitely a huge factor in our keeper league. Prospects are overvalued and vets severely undervalued. For example, a guy turned down MA Fleury and Kulikov 241 for McKinnon, and Ray Whitney, who finished tied for 12th overall in points, is valued slightly higher than a waiver wire guy.

__________________
19 team Dynasty League - POINTS ONLY. Daily starts: 9 fwds, 6 D, 1 goalie

G=2pts, A=1pt, Dman G=3pts, GWG=1pt, Goalie Win=3.5pts, SO=4pts, L=-1pt


Kovalchuk, Couture, Wheeler
Parenteau, Elias, Little
Desharnais, Hemsky, Zuccarello
Smith, Rattie

Karlsson, Letang, Ehrhoff
Carle, Giordano, Martin
Hamhuis

Fleury
Schneider

He's a 70-80 pt guy for the next 3years, but could be that way for longer.

His game isn't going to fall apart with age (as many have said above). He plays with one of the best players in the game (Stamkos).

And his drop this past year is also largely because of a randomly horrific power-play in TBay last season. He may not get back to the 37,41 PP points he had in the previous two seasons, but I'll wager he scores more than the 16 he had last year.

Add 10 more PP points (which isn't unreasonable in the least), and you've got a PPG scorer last year...and then take away injuries and we're not having this conversation.

One final point: Much like the last lockout actually helping Selanne b/c it gave his bad knees time to heal, I think a shorter season this year doesn't hurt some older players as much as we all might think. It's a half-year, which means they've had extra time to get healed from any nagging injuries, and also stay in fairly peak physical condition minues the wear and tear of games every 2nd night.

I think I'll echo some here...

MSL is a stud... he'll be 38 before the 2013-2014 season begins... that means that if he were just a standard stud, he'd have between 70-80 next season, 65-70 the season after that, and 50-60 at 40 years old and call it quits.

HOWEVER.... he is no standard stud. He plays a 100% finesse game with little grinding. PLUS, he is a fitness guy. So my prediction:

2013-2014 = 80 points
2014-2015 = 77 points
2015-2016 = 77 points
2016-2017 = 72 points
2017-2018 = 64 points
2018-2019 = 57 points and retires at 43 years old and might even have another ring.

A bit bold...maybe, and despite some love here... I don't touch him in my settings exactly because of his style (not enough hits/PIM/fights to match up with the 50 pt. players that do), so I let his name allow me access to the mulitcat studs during the draft.

But since the OP here is looking points only and future prediction, MSL's value is High!

__________________
10 Team H2H Points (Keep 1C, 1W, 1D, 1G, & 1 non-goalie):
G,A,+/-, PIM, PPG, SHG, GWG, OTG, FOWs, Hits, Blks, Maj, Mis, (bonus scoring for D-men makes them comparable to Wing)
Wins, Saves, GA, Shutouts

Daily Start: 2C, 4W, 4D, 2G

C: Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron
W: Parise, Neal, E. Kane, Iginla, Hartnell, Jagr
D: Karlsson (IR), S. Weber, Markov, Ehrhoff, Wideman, Souray, Pitkanen
G: Halak, Niemi, Lehner

With MSL, you got to keep him if your in a win now window, or trade him for prospects like Granlund and Scheifele.

__________________
1) H2H , 6F, 4D, 1G
pts: (D : 7 pts G /5 pts A), (F : 5pts G /3 pts A), (G : 10 pts W / 5 pts SO), (D/F : 0.5 pts PIM, 0.1 FOW, 0.2 Hits, 0.3 pts SOG, PP and SH).

Forward : Hall, RNH, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Eriksson, Stastny, Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Strome, Kreider, R. Johansen, Niederreiter

Defenses : OEL, Schultz, Hamilton, Fowler, M.Staal, Smith, Brodin, Barrie, Elliott, Morrow

Goalies : Price, Mason

not much

old mold

Thanks for the keen insight. Who'da thought a tequilamonster would be such a buzz kill

__________________
19 team Dynasty League - POINTS ONLY. Daily starts: 9 fwds, 6 D, 1 goalie

G=2pts, A=1pt, Dman G=3pts, GWG=1pt, Goalie Win=3.5pts, SO=4pts, L=-1pt


Kovalchuk, Couture, Wheeler
Parenteau, Elias, Little
Desharnais, Hemsky, Zuccarello
Smith, Rattie

Karlsson, Letang, Ehrhoff
Carle, Giordano, Martin
Hamhuis

Fleury
Schneider

a question was asked. i answered it. i think martys only going downhill from here. marty MAY have a good 42 games if the season gets started but next year he will start to decline in my opinion. i apologize for not believing marty will rip 70 80 80 70 over the next 4 years. he IS old by NHL standards. everyone starts to decline at some point.

is that enough insight to perhaps bring back your 'buzz' ??????

Insight, insight, pass.

Buzz fully restored - much obliged.

__________________
19 team Dynasty League - POINTS ONLY. Daily starts: 9 fwds, 6 D, 1 goalie

G=2pts, A=1pt, Dman G=3pts, GWG=1pt, Goalie Win=3.5pts, SO=4pts, L=-1pt


Kovalchuk, Couture, Wheeler
Parenteau, Elias, Little
Desharnais, Hemsky, Zuccarello
Smith, Rattie

Karlsson, Letang, Ehrhoff
Carle, Giordano, Martin
Hamhuis

Fleury
Schneider

as a footnote. i see your roster. marleau st louis alfie......

me thinks its time to rebuild