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Old 12-16-2012, 03:44 PM
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In my points only league, where goalies get 2pts for win, 5 for SO the top point getters in our league were 1. Quick 2. Rinne 3. Smith 4. Lundy 5. Malkin. With only 6 points separating Quick from Malkin. Well worth the shot IMO @ trying to land Rinne. Good luck
We also count assits for Goalies, and Rinne had 5 helpers last year. Not that I'll factor that in my decision
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Thanks for the help guys.

Cats for G's are W=2, SO=5

Scoring: G=1, A=1

Last season top scorers were;

Malkin = 109 pts
Rinne = 106 pts
Lundqvist= 104 pts
Mike Smith = 102 pts
Quick= 102 pts.

All these players were ahead of guys like Stamkos and Giroux. I hope to be able to get my hands on Lundy, but I have a more realistic shot at either Rinne or Rask.
Not to get totally off track, but I think you need to be careful in using this type of comparison when evaluating goalies in your league. Comparing their point totals is not the most effective way of determining how valuable they are, rather you should look at the gaps between the top players and below within each position.

Using your example of the top players and ones just below them, to me that would show that there are higher point getters for goalies and if I miss one of the top ones, I could confidently find a goalie whose value is perceived less but performs like one of the best. Howard had 100 points, Niemi had 98, Bryzgalov had 96. A few others in the 90s. How many offensive players in the 90s last season? Three.

I know this isn't your main question, I just wanted to show that more goalies who are higher point getters doesn't mean they are more valuable. But back to your question and expand a bit, do you need to go after one of the big three? Their values are at their highest and you might be able to snag a guy with a lower perceived value but give you more bang for the buck, so to speak. Heck, Lehtonen had 94 points in your setup. I know salaries matter so that could change things but I just wanted to make you think of a possible different option.
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Not to get totally off track, but I think you need to be careful in using this type of comparison when evaluating goalies in your league. Comparing their point totals is not the most effective way of determining how valuable they are, rather you should look at the gaps between the top players and below within each position.

Using your example of the top players and ones just below them, to me that would show that there are higher point getters for goalies and if I miss one of the top ones, I could confidently find a goalie whose value is perceived less but performs like one of the best. Howard had 100 points, Niemi had 98, Bryzgalov had 96. A few others in the 90s. How many offensive players in the 90s last season? Three.

I know this isn't your main question, I just wanted to show that more goalies who are higher point getters doesn't mean they are more valuable. But back to your question and expand a bit, do you need to go after one of the big three? Their values are at their highest and you might be able to snag a guy with a lower perceived value but give you more bang for the buck, so to speak. Heck, Lehtonen had 94 points in your setup. I know salaries matter so that could change things but I just wanted to make you think of a possible different option.

Interesting point on the value concept. We protect 6 players (13 team league) and most won't be protecting a Goalie (exceptions being Fleury, Quick, Niemi, Smith, Price and Howard). The re-entry draft will be G and D Heavy, with most teams preferring to protect forwards.

While I won't be able to draft a 100 point forward, Lundy and Rinne give me a shot at a consitent 100 point performer. I would also be carrying $7M of cap hit for my Goalie. Thats why I threw Rask's name in my list.

I could make this a numbers game, and play poker with the other 7 teams looking for a Goalie, or just take the sure thing, and gamble with the remaining forwards.
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I know this isn't your main question, I just wanted to show that more goalies who are higher point getters doesn't mean they are more valuable. But back to your question and expand a bit, do you need to go after one of the big three? Their values are at their highest and you might be able to snag a guy with a lower perceived value but give you more bang for the buck, so to speak. Heck, Lehtonen had 94 points in your setup. I know salaries matter so that could change things but I just wanted to make you think of a possible different option.
Of course.

I don't understand how people can blindly say to take Lundy. Are you using this year's salaries? If so, Rinne is out of the question since he makes more than Lundy this year. So it comes down to Rask at basically half the cost of Lundy. What is your cap? What do you project Rask and Lundy's points this year? If you say Lundy is 105 pts and Rask is 90, is that worth a 100% increase? How much of your cap do you want to spend on goalies? How many goalies will you roster? Maybe it is better to take a Rask and another mid-priced goalie like Halak or Niemi and spend the goalie savings on another position. I'm not necessarily saying I would not draft Lundqvist but I would want to know some of these answers before I map out my strategy. Good luck.
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Of course.

I don't understand how people can blindly say to take Lundy. Are you using this year's salaries? If so, Rinne is out of the question since he makes more than Lundy this year. So it comes down to Rask at basically half the cost of Lundy. What is your cap? What do you project Rask and Lundy's points this year? If you say Lundy is 105 pts and Rask is 90, is that worth a 100% increase? How much of your cap do you want to spend on goalies? How many goalies will you roster? Maybe it is better to take a Rask and another mid-priced goalie like Halak or Niemi and spend the goalie savings on another position. I'm not necessarily saying I would not draft Lundqvist but I would want to know some of these answers before I map out my strategy. Good luck.
I said Lundy easily because he has a proven track record of being the best goalie in the league on a consistent basis annually. You cant buy that type of consistency. Well actually you can and his name is Lundqvist. Sure Rask brings a lot to the table but I would rather invest my salary cap money in the consistency offered by Lundy. You know exactly what you get with him. That makes the choice easy.
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Is this a keeper? If so, Rask's cap-hit advantage will diminish after this year, so that wouldn't factor too much in my decision making.

Goalies are pretty fickle beyond the top 3... as good as Rask is, he has yet to handle a full-season's work load. I think if you can land one of the "top 3" in a keeper, especially Lundy, I would be all over it, and I wouldn't think twice about the cap-hit.
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