Having Dickey from OD will damn near cement that 1st place you speak of. His numbers in the last 3 years, speak for themselves. Him being 38 means nothing given his mechanics. If AA is inquiring, he obviously has a plan and a back up plan. Everything costs something, and would essentially cost more waiting for the deadline! This deal gives us our best line up from the get go. If its a top prospect so be it.

Uh, has he faced line-ups like that of the A.L. East consistently before? His numbers will take a hit. I'll bet a dollar on that

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D: C Fowler, Kronwall, A Goligoski, JM Liles, M Giordano, K Letang, N Nikitin, R Josi

G: J Quick, A Niemi, C Anderson, Rinne

Holy cow. Looks like Syndegaard is going too.
This is WAY too much. Way, way too much.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1

But right now it's Dickey/Thole/prospect (told not elite) for d/Arnaud/Syndegaard/Buck/prospect (told not elite) #Mets #Bluejays

Well said. This is my train of thought as well. If you are going to go all in, you need to have the cards in your hands first. You dont push all your chips in while the dealer is still shuffling the deck.

Play some games, see where you stand against the others in this division and if you are contending, make a big deal in July. I'm sure there are plenty of teams out there who would love a shot at landing D'Arnaud and by July, the men will be separated from the boys.

Its not like the Jays arent considered a contender already. I have no issues making these big moves and trading away prime prospects if it means pushing them over the top, but we are assuming they need more. We all know what assume means.

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Thus us a great thread guys! Lots of good arguments for both sides. I'm a huge jays fan and at first I was bugged by the potential deal but the more things I read I'm liking the idea of it more and more. Of course it depends on the pieces but i mean AA is a smart guy, he's got a plan here and I trust he's not going to make a stupid move. This season may be why he has been working so hard at our minor league system. He's not going to deal "the next big thing" if he doesn't believe he can replace him. I'm getting so excited for this season!

If you have a chance to read it, SI has a good article on R.A. concerning his childhood where he had 2 separate incidents of sexual abuse. Once he came to terms of his past he became a better pitcher or more mentally focused on the mound. Really a sad but good read. Kinda gives you a good insight of how far he has come to get to where he is today. May show you how he came from out of nowhere to put up a season like that ...

However I think the Jays are giving quite a bit in this deal. Like Metaldude said, depth at key positions is important going forward

Edit: couldn't find the link to the article but here is a link with the cover and a brief description of the article.

http://www.wbir.com/sports/college/a...ts-Illustrated

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Cause the AL has a dh??? No merit whatsoever.

Apparently the deal is done, the Jays now have a 72 hr window to sign him to an extension to complete the trade.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/t...y-trade-121412

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Great find, thanks man.
Would love to know the prospect. Buck is obviously a salary dump.

One of the players coming back is catcher Tholes. I hope he knows how to catch a knuckleball because I doubt JPA does.

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