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Mr. Guru · #61 12-09-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by doulos

With a CBA, contract limits, salary caps etc the NHL is NOT a free market so don't bother wasting money at amazon looking for a book on the topic.

How does one waste money at amazon looking for a book?

Loch · #62 12-09-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Guru

How does one waste money at amazon looking for a book?

Isn't it obvious?

Time = Money

Mr. Guru · #63 12-09-2012, 06:00 PM

Touche sirs.

Dakkster · #64 12-09-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour

This is a completely irrelevant tangent. So the market dictated that Kulemin should get paid what he gets paid. Yeah, that's true.
I'm saying he's overpaid.
One does not contradict the other.
The market says Crosby should get paid what he gets paid. I'm saying he's underpaid.
Again, both of the statements can co-exist. If you want to say I'm calling the internal NHL free market out of whack, ok then.

With a 5 year max on contract years, and no salary cap, Crosby would get 20 mil per season. Easily. With a salary cap, he could get around 12-15. He's worth it. And that would push down contracts for people nobody pays to watch anyway (e.g. Kulemin). That's all I'm saying.

And a hedge fund manager is probably considered overpaid at a couple hundred million bucks a year by most people, but it's still the market price at this point. Of course there are a ton of different factors, but it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks, because Nikolai Kulemin's price is what someone wants to pay him. Accept that.

hockeymanG23 · #65 12-09-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DuklaNation

I've always said stop overpaying the mediocre players. Sign some AHL players at a cheaper rate for similar production. Watching the Rochester/Toronto game tonight on SN, the quality of the game isnt that much different than the NHL. If anything some of the games seem more exciting from a fan's perspective (maybe because the offense is slightly better?).

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Originally Posted by Mr. Guru

I totally agree with that.

Sign AHL/European guys at a much cheaper rate and the quality of play will make it justifiable.

Im also a big fan of AHL/Euro guys getting their chance in the NHL and making the best of it.

If those AHL and Euro players were viable options then they would be the ones signed to NHL deals over the "mediocre" NHL players. The reason most of these guys will play where they do is that once they are put into an NHL game their abilities turn out to be less than mediocre in the NHL platform, hence the reason they are not NHLers.

Bomm Bastic · #66 12-10-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eyemissgilmour

This is a completely irrelevant tangent. So the market dictated that Kulemin should get paid what he gets paid. Yeah, that's true.
I'm saying he's overpaid.
One does not contradict the other.
The market says Crosby should get paid what he gets paid. I'm saying he's underpaid.

The market dictates, it is that simple as Dakkster stated. Whether you deem salaries too high or low is arbitrary if not capricious.

doulos · #67 12-10-2012, 09:44 AM

Except the value of the "middle tier" players is inflated because it isn't a free market. In a free market the top end players would earn far more then they currently do, leaving less money for the "middle tier".

Those players are earning their "value" within the structure of the NHL, but that doesn't mean that it is connected to what their real value would be outside of that structure.

What eyemissgilmour seems to be advocating is a change in the structure of the CBA to actually be MORE free market so that the top end players get what they are worth and the middle tier players actually get less.

Bomm Bastic · #68 12-10-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by doulos

Except the value of the "middle tier" players is inflated because it isn't a free market. In a free market the top end players would earn far more then they currently do, leaving less money for the "middle tier".

Those players are earning their "value" within the structure of the NHL, but that doesn't mean that it is connected to what their real value would be outside of that structure.

What eyemissgilmour seems to be advocating is a change in the structure of the CBA to actually be MORE free market so that the top end players get what they are worth and the middle tier players actually get less.

Free in an absolute sense, no. But no market ever is, practically speaking.

Does the current model deviate from a normal distribution?

doulos · #69 12-10-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomm Bastic

Free in an absolute sense, no. But no market ever is, practically speaking.

Does the current model deviate from a normal distribution?

No idea, someone with math jedi powers could tell us

eyemissgilmour · #70 12-10-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by doulos

Except the value of the "middle tier" players is inflated because it isn't a free market. In a free market the top end players would earn far more then they currently do, leaving less money for the "middle tier".

Those players are earning their "value" within the structure of the NHL, but that doesn't mean that it is connected to what their real value would be outside of that structure.

What eyemissgilmour seems to be advocating is a change in the structure of the CBA to actually be MORE free market so that the top end players get what they are worth and the middle tier players actually get less.

Exactly.
Thank you.

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