Mac Pacioretty or David Krejci, points only, short and long term, and by how much do you prefer your choice?

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24-Team Keeper League
PTS: G=1, A=1, W=2, SO=5
Starting roster: 6F, 3D, 1G, *Keep 12

F: Spezza, Kovalchuk, Krejci, Franzen, Pacioretty, Steen, Berglund, Erat, PMB
D: Keith, Weber, Visnovsky, Leddy
G: Lundqvist, Harding

16-Team Keeper League
PTS: G=1, A=1, W=2, SO=3
Starting roster: 6F, 4D, 1G, *Keep 12 + 4 on farm
F: Benn, Krejci, Kessel, Skinner, Ryan, Parise, Clowe, C. Smith, Boedker, Leblanc
D: Edler, E Johnson, Campbell, Kronwall, Petry, McDonagh, Hamonic
G: Price, Rask
Farm: Schwartz, Zibanejad, Bjugstad, Dumba

Pacioretty by a rather small margin. One is trending up, the other has flatlined

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DobberHockey Rules
14 Team Keeper, points only, best 12 skaters 2 dman 2 G count. Playoffs count.
F - Crosby, C.Smith, Wheeler, Parenteau, Hudler, Clowe, Grabovski, Atkinson, Frolik, S. Kostitsyn, Marchand, Peverley, Tavares, Read, Brouwer, Bickell, Gionta, Setoguchi
G - Anderson, Hiller, Markstrom, Brodeur
D - Letang, Del Zotto, I. White, Kronwall, Brodin, Nikitin

MaxPac for me. He still has a chance to get better. Krejci has peaked and he can only go down from here.

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12 Team NHL Salary Cap Dynasty
H2H, Salary Cap 82mil, Player actual salaries
G,A,PTS,GWG,PIM,SOG,STP,HT,BL,+/-,W,GAA,SV,SO
Starters: 12 Forwards, 6 Defense, 2 Goalies

F - Stamkos, Perry, E.Staal, Voracek, J.Staal, Simmonds, Ott, Downie, J.Jokinen, Eller, Nielson, Prust
D - Martin, Faulk, Brodie, Ellerby, M.Weber, Stone
G - Bobrovsky, Halak
Bench - Brunner, Brodie, Strachan, Khudobin, Lindback, Neuvirth, Ramo

Prospects - Calvert, Forsberg, Etem, Namestinikov, Kreider, Cundari

I'll take Krejci.

The Bruins (& the Dallas Stars) were two teams that didn't do very well on the PP last year. Most teams will have their top forwards register somewhere between 20-35 PPP.

For the 2nd year in a row, Krejci put up 50 even-strength points... but only 11 or 12 PPP. I'm a HUGE fan of production at even-strength, because I think that a player that does well even-strength will eventually get a shot on the PP, eventually click, eventually get 20 PPP.

50 ESP + 20 PPP = 70pts for Krejci. I think he could pull that off, but I'd peg him for 65pts.

MaxPac had a very nice year with 65pts.
But the whole line was magical... Eric Cole had 61pts on 14.5% shooting, DD had 60pts on 16.3% shooting. Can these guys all click again to put up 60+pts each? Hell, no. This is not a line of 60pt players. There's a new coach in Montreal and for all we know he's going to do things differently... which means... the ice time isn't necessarily going to get any better for Cole-DD-MaxPac.

Playing devil's advocate to myself, MaxPac did have 52 ESP + 13 PPP.
So, his numbers rival Krejci's... and his PPP could/should go up.

But I much prefer Krejci's linemates over MaxPac's linemates.
Krejci, for me.

Full-year predicitons:
Krejci = 65pts (50 ESP + 15 PPP)
MaxPac = 60pts (45 ESP + 15 PPP)

I also much prefer passers (Krejci) over shooters (MaxPac) in points-only leagues.

id go with maxpac. he's on the rise imo.

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10 team Keeper Roto League
4C-4LW-4RW-6D-2G-5bench-unlimited farm.

C= crosby,m.koivu,malkin,zajak,grabovski,j.jokinen,
LW= ovechkin,nash,s.gagner,dubinsky
RW= downie,hemsky,callahan,voracek,perry,mueller
D= green,doughty,phaneuf,wisniewski,girardi,karlsson
G= rask,lundqvist,ward,price

FARM=kreider,grachev,petrov,enroth,kuznetsov,ennis ,rundblad,bjugstad,radulov,montoya, adam,t.erixon,cowan,s.elliot,j.faulk,cormier,petro v,orlov,stone,eakin,grigorenko,silfverberg,brodin, atkinson

--G,A,P,PPP,SHP,GWG,PIMS,+/-,SOG,hits,FOW,blocks-Wins,GAA,SV%,saves,SO

Max Pac. easily. Could very well be a 40-40 guy going forward. 10th in SOG last year. Just wait until he plays alongside Gally. Krejci = meh.

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Points only keeper League, weekly head to head, 2RW, 2LW, 2C, 4D, 1 G , (goalies 2pts for W +3 for SO)



LW: Gaborik, Landeskog, Burrows

C: Seguin, Skinner, Berglund, Nyquist, Lombardi

RW: Eberle, Oshie, Doan, Silfverberg

D: Doughty, Carlson, Ekman-Larsson, Carle

G: Price , Schneider, Nabokov

Yes there is a new coach but he would be pretty foolish to not at least try the line that was so good last year would he not?

But yeah in a points league I would agree with you. Krejci is the choice. He's more proven at this point and more likely to be the guy with the higher point total. MaxPac is better in a league with peripheral stats.

One thing to think about though, is Krejci going to be getting less PP and regular ice time now that Seguin is growing? Because that could cut into that projection...

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14T BiWeekly H2H. 4 C/RW/LW, 6 D, 2 G
Cats:G(3), A(1.5), +-(1), PIM(0.2), PPP(1), SOG(0.2), GWG(1), SHP(2), Hits(0.3), BkS(0.4). W(2), SO(2), OTL(0.5), SV(0.2), GA(-1), L(-1).

LW - Pactches, Benn, Ott, Foligno, Belesky
C - Staal, Thornton, M Richards, Giroux
RW - Ovie, Hossa, Callahan, Tara, Neil
D - Weber, OEL, Shatty, Seidenberg, Suter, Wiz, Beauch, Wiz, MacDonald
G - Lundqvist, Varlamov, Allen
Prospects - Schultz, M Rielly, Ramo, Brodin, RNH, Forsberg, D Shore, Trouba, Bjugstad
IR- RNH, Kulikov

I would want the better hockey player, and that is MP.

Let it be known that only 13 points of his 65 came on the powerplay. (4G, 9A) He averaged 3min10s/game on the pwr play last seaon.

He'll garner more points with increased pwr play time/opportunities and with a better support cast (Gally + a nice wave of youthful dman coming down the road).

nice read below on MP.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...max-pacioretty

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Points only keeper League, weekly head to head, 2RW, 2LW, 2C, 4D, 1 G , (goalies 2pts for W +3 for SO)



LW: Gaborik, Landeskog, Burrows

C: Seguin, Skinner, Berglund, Nyquist, Lombardi

RW: Eberle, Oshie, Doan, Silfverberg

D: Doughty, Carlson, Ekman-Larsson, Carle

G: Price , Schneider, Nabokov

40 assists, eh.
Ha - good luck! No way. He put up 32 assists last year and Desharnais and Cole both overachieved in shooting percentage.

ps. COD, I already posted the "good news" of MaxPac's PP numbers in my original post.
You probably didn't need to regurgitate it as your own... (and I'll have to assume you read my post.)

Krejci's ice-time isn't impacted by Seguin's growth. Boston rolls two top units. They'll each play about 18+ min/game and each play about 2+ min/game on the PP.

Last year they already made the switch, the Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin line became line 1 & PP1 (with Horton out) and Lucic-Krejci-Horton(Peverley) was line 2 & PP2.

So that HURT Krejci, but it won't get any worse than that... being Line 2 & PP2.
With MaxPac, last year he got Line 1 & PP1 minutes... but can/will it get any better than that? Honestly?
Especially with the magic that Cole-DD-MaxPac showed.
I don't think that repeats. (I said the same thing about Stastny & Chris Stewart's "magic"... but people weren't listening to that one either. Everybody expected them to repeat.)




I mean... how often do we see a player make a big jump... and then we expect them to repeat it - which is often wrong.
MaxPac made a huge jump... 65pts in an everything-went-right-for-this-line season. He played 18+ min/game and 3+ min/game PP.

People have a tendency to think that young players will CONTINUE to rise just because they are young... but when you are playing 18+ & 3+, you've pretty much maxed out your TOI. The only other maturation is in hockey-sense and chemistry. Is MaxPac's hockey sense & chemistry going to get any better than last season? 65pts. I say no. I say that 65pts will be a standard "great season" for MaxPac going forward. I think he'll level off to more around 60pts.

I'd take MaxPac for sure.

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