I'd be very tempted to make this trade as Seguin is a proven commodity whereas Tarasenko is not. Its a limited keeper, so adding as asset like Seguin should not be ignored. Your draft picks, while quite nice 1st rounders, may never make much of an impact, so letting them go shouldn't matter too much. If it was a top 3 pick, different story.

I'd try to sell him Bernier instead of Markstrom and push on him that Seguin probably won't be that much better than Tarasenko. I'd also try to sell him harder on the idea that this is two pretty good 1st rounders.

Even if he won't budge, having Bernier as your goalie going forward is not that bad an option as he was rated very highly until Quick decided to be a superstar goalie.

I'd do the trade for the assets you get to put into place now as I think it gives you a greater chance of winning the whole thing.

For what it's worth, I think Seguin is going to be a 90+ point superstar in the near future so at first glance I'd be inclined to keep him.

It all depends on the calibre of players you can get with those 2 first rounders. Give us some examples of names that might be available.

The 2012 draft class will be fair game (Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, etc). Best players I'm anticipating will not be kept include OEL, Shattenkirk, M. Koivu, Stastny, D. Boyle, Lecavalier, Havlat, Moulson, Brodeur, B. Elliott, Burrows & Okposo (if I don't keep either), Anderson, Carlson, Fowler, Kulikov, Enstrom, Pavelec, Franzen, Pominville, Krejci, P. Bergeron, Elias, Del Zotto, Stepan, Heatley.

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12 team H2H dynasty league
Start 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 1UTIL, 2G
9 man farm (<60/30 GP)
G, A, PPP, SHP, PIM, +/-, SOG, HIT, BLK, FW / W, SV, SV%, GAA, SHO

C: Kopitar, Toews, Krejci, M. Koivu, Plekanec, Johansson
LW: Eriksson (RW), Hartnell, M. Richards (C), McDonald (C)
RW: Malkin (C), St. Louis, Eberle, Gaborik, Atkinson, Cole
D: Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Suter, Goligoski, Carle, Beauchemin
G: Lundqvist, Fleury, Hiller

Farm: Chiasson, Killorn, Jenner, T. Johnson, Merrill, Rattie, Vatanen, Visentin, Wilson

I REALLY hate to pass on Seguin on pretty much any trade not involving a top 5 player going back but in this case I think you have to pass.

With guys like OEL, Shatts, Koivu, Bergeron, Statsny, etc left on the board (not to mention the likelyhood that top tier 2012 draft class player will be left as well) giving up your two 1st rounders is a lot when you consider you also have to add two premier prospects in Markstrom and Tarasenko as well.

That's simply too much for Seguin.

If you think about it...this trade could really end up being something similar to this:

You get: Seguin, "depth fantasy player", Runblad, and Bishop

For your: Statsny, Shattenkirk, Markstrom, and Tarasenko

I LOVE Seguin but I think the price is too high.

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10-team Auction League, $160 team salary, weekly H2H, start: 6F, 4D, 1G and 5 Bench

Scoring structure: (F : 1pt G / 1pt A / 0.15pts SOG / 0.15pts Hits / 0.15pts BlkS), (G : 5 pts W / 3 pts SO / 0.01 pts Saves)

Forwards : Ovechkin ($41), Kovalchuk ($24), Kessel ($18), E. Kane ($13), Benn ($5), Sharp ($11), Pominville ($1), Dupuis ($2), Whitney ($2)

Defenses : Letang ($24), Byfuglien ($6), Markov ($1), Bogosian ($1), McDonagh ($2)

Goalies : Schneider ($7), Bobrovsky ($1)

agree with above. too much quality meat available in the draft where your 1st rounders fall. Seguin is a great piece and likely an elite guy going forward, but you're giving up too much.

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2nd Year 12 Team Dynasty H2H, Daily Starts
G, A, +/-, PIM, SOG, Hits, PPP, SHP
W, GAA, Sv%, Svs, SO

C: B.Richards, J.Pavelski, D.Roy, A.Killorn
LW: I.Kovalchuk, D.Heatley, R.Clowe, B.Dubinsky
RW: C.Perry, M.Gaborik, B.Wheeler, B.Boyes
D: A.Pietrangelo, P.K Subban, N.Kronwall, C.Franson
G: R.Miller, S.Varlamov, A.Khudobin, B.Elliott
IR: J.Spezza, E.Karlsson

Prospects: Galchenyuk, Johansen, Kuznetsov, Teravainen, Dumba, M.Foligno, Orlov, Pickard, Ramo

What do you guys think of this possibility instead:

Seguin, Etem, 4th (#39) for Markstrom/Bernier, Tarasenko, 1st (#8), 2nd (#21)

He's on the fence about it but I think it's an improvement for me.

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12 team H2H dynasty league
Start 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 1UTIL, 2G
9 man farm (<60/30 GP)
G, A, PPP, SHP, PIM, +/-, SOG, HIT, BLK, FW / W, SV, SV%, GAA, SHO

C: Kopitar, Toews, Krejci, M. Koivu, Plekanec, Johansson
LW: Eriksson (RW), Hartnell, M. Richards (C), McDonald (C)
RW: Malkin (C), St. Louis, Eberle, Gaborik, Atkinson, Cole
D: Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Suter, Goligoski, Carle, Beauchemin
G: Lundqvist, Fleury, Hiller

Farm: Chiasson, Killorn, Jenner, T. Johnson, Merrill, Rattie, Vatanen, Visentin, Wilson

Much better for you. I didn't quite understand that it was for a waiver draft here as I thought it was just for prospects, so the original deal really wasn't worth pursuing.

The latest deal looks a lot better for you too as you still keep a great pick. I'd rather keep Markstrom over Bernier myself though.

If you can keep Markstrom over Bernier that's a great deal for you. Even if you have to move Markstrom it's probably worth it.

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16 team, full keeper
19 roster players, 15 prospects
Stats: G, A, PPG, SHG, special teams assists, SOG, FOW, PIM, hits, blocked shots, +/-, W, SO, saves, s%, GAA, shootout saves

C: Crosby, H. Sedin, Boyle, Brassard
W: P. Kane, Voracek, Burrows, Ott, Filppula, Dorsett, Hudler, Bouchard, Zuccarello, Stalberg
D: Karlsson, Letang, Enstrom, Boyle, Giordano, Gorges, M. Stuart
G: Quick, Bryzgalov, Kiprusoff, Ellis

Prospects: Granlund, Atkinson, Pirri, Killorn, T. Johnson, Galiev, Corrado, Koekkoek, Moore, Rundblad, Bachman, C. Johnson, Desjardins

I like this deal for you. Although I prefer Tarasenko to Etem they are actually pretty close IMO. So the deal becomes Seguin+4th for your Bernier+1st+2nd. I do that deal all day long. I put in Bernier as I'd prefer you to keep Markstrom but I would still do the deal if you had to give him up instead.

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10-team Auction League, $160 team salary, weekly H2H, start: 6F, 4D, 1G and 5 Bench

Scoring structure: (F : 1pt G / 1pt A / 0.15pts SOG / 0.15pts Hits / 0.15pts BlkS), (G : 5 pts W / 3 pts SO / 0.01 pts Saves)

Forwards : Ovechkin ($41), Kovalchuk ($24), Kessel ($18), E. Kane ($13), Benn ($5), Sharp ($11), Pominville ($1), Dupuis ($2), Whitney ($2)

Defenses : Letang ($24), Byfuglien ($6), Markov ($1), Bogosian ($1), McDonagh ($2)

Goalies : Schneider ($7), Bobrovsky ($1)

In a limited keeper, I'd be very willing to do whatever it takes to land Seguin.

I do think the price is slightly steep, but in a year or two, Seguin's value will be skyhigh IMO.

On a side note, what if Luo ends up in FLA? JM takes a backseat for some time. I'd rather you move JM and keep Bernier in any pkg deal.

I'v waivered over this deal for a bit today, and I like the 1st package but would try to keep ONE of those 1st rd picks.

So, a 1st (8th)/Tara./Marks ----> for Seguin pkg. I'd do this.

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Points only keeper League, weekly head to head, 2RW, 2LW, 2C, 4D, 1 G , (goalies 2pts for W +3 for SO)



LW: Gaborik, Landeskog, Burrows

C: Seguin, Skinner, Berglund, Nyquist, Lombardi

RW: Eberle, Oshie, Doan, Silfverberg

D: Doughty, Carlson, Ekman-Larsson, Carle

G: Price , Schneider, Nabokov