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Old 11-30-2012, 06:24 PM
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As much as I'm pro-player in this iteration of the lockout, in the long run the economic model has to benefit everyone. Otherwise, we're going to see this every time the CBA expires.
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Old 11-30-2012, 06:51 PM
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If it takes a lost season or two (please God no) to get a long-term sustainable economic model in place it'll be worth it. Players and owners both have to give concessions on this.

The owners have to reconcile their internal differences so big market teams and small market teams all benefit. The players will have to give a chunk of their salaries back (again) to make it work. They felt they got hosed last time, but they ended up doing all right in the end.

As much as I'm pro-player in this iteration of the lockout, in the long run the economic model has to benefit everyone. Otherwise, we're going to see this every time the CBA expires.

Amen.
The owners pulled the "we're making hockey sustainable" card in the last lock-out and with about 18 teams claiming they lost money it is pretty clear they were wrong.
This lock-out is idiotic from both perspectives as fighting over the largest share of pie by shrinking the pie is stupid.
The league should have gone in with the goal of getting as near to 50-50 as possible for the next 5 years without disrupting the game's growth and their own revenue growth. Surely they realize that the teams who are going to suffer from the lock-out are the money losing teams that they are doing this to save?

The players should have similarly realized that 50% of 4 billion is as good as 57% of 3.5billion... and not missing half a year's paychecks is nice too.

Pragmatism is not a dirty word people.

That said, with this much farce behind us they have to be going for longterm stability now. If this happens again in 5 years? Sheesh.
Unfortunately they will probably stumble into the deal they should have realistically aimed for at the start of negotiations and do nothing to address longterm economics at all...
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:51 AM
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Amen.
The owners pulled the "we're making hockey sustainable" card in the last lock-out and with about 18 teams claiming they lost money it is pretty clear they were wrong.
This lock-out is idiotic from both perspectives as fighting over the largest share of pie by shrinking the pie is stupid.
The league should have gone in with the goal of getting as near to 50-50 as possible for the next 5 years without disrupting the game's growth and their own revenue growth. Surely they realize that the teams who are going to suffer from the lock-out are the money losing teams that they are doing this to save?

The players should have similarly realized that 50% of 4 billion is as good as 57% of 3.5billion... and not missing half a year's paychecks is nice too.

Pragmatism is not a dirty word people.

That said, with this much farce behind us they have to be going for longterm stability now. If this happens again in 5 years? Sheesh.
Unfortunately they will probably stumble into the deal they should have realistically aimed for at the start of negotiations and do nothing to address longterm economics at all...
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I don't think players should be faulted for wanting the money promised to them in contracts they signed in good faith.

The PA may have their faults, but I have no pity for owners who throw gobs of cash at players via obscenely front-loaded contracts in an attempt to circumvent the very CBA they demanded the players sign during their last go-around....only to then cry poor when their ill-managed team fails to make the playoffs (continually), and demands Bettman to do something about it.

That's just a kick in my nuts.
The players didn't sign for guaranteed money. They only get X% of the HRR, and they knew damn well that both the HRR total and the percentage "X" were liable to change before the end of their contract. Anybody that didn't know that before signing a contract should fire their agent.

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I've finally resigned myself to the fact that there will not be hockey this season.
I know you meant there will not be "NHL" hockey this season, but you are wrong. There will be.

Man, we are like two weeks away from the best hockey going, the World Junior Hockey Championship!

I get by watching NFL football and writing. NHL hockey could disappear and I'd still be quite fine. I choose to ignore these ongoing negotiating formalities that for some inexplicable reason are played through the media way too much for me. Less posturing and more negotiating retards.

I don't delude myself and tell everyone I'm never watching NHL hockey again. I know for a fact that when the NHL comes back online that I will watching on TV. I choose not to go to very many games live because the entertainment value is pure unadulterated crap and not worth that much money. I can pay $30 a month (plus applicable taxes) and watch hockey every night to my heart's content. The only downside to the NHL Center Ice package is that you get the American teams promotions and realize that if you lived in one of those cities, you would likely be a season ticket holder because you could actually afford it. 4 tickets, 4 hot dogs, 4 soft drinks and free parking for $40!! Say it ain't true Avs fans!?
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:18 PM
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I've finally resigned myself to the fact that there will not be hockey this season.
welcome! it's a pretty apathetic feeling, right?
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