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Old 11-25-2012, 11:47 AM
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I dont think anyone is doubting his skill in the OHL, they are doubting how that will translate into his NHL career.
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Exactly. There have been way to many OHL/WHL/QMJHL stars that couldn't translate their junior success into NHL success. I don't think anyone is saying that Strom will not be able to make the transition, we just highlight that there is some uncertainty as with all junior players.
When you look at the players that in the last 10 years have managed to put up 100+ points in the OHL in their draft eligible season you will see very few players whose game didn't translate to the NHL. One, in fact: Brett MacLean, a poor skater that was riding shotgun to Tavares. And with his heart condition now we'll never know how well he would have done. The rest have gone on to produce in the NHL. The list is short: Spezza, Little, Kane, Gagner, MacLean, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, Seguin, Strome.

I agree with you that there is a lot of uncertainty with junior players but when they produce as early as Strome in the quantity that he did he is in pretty elite company in junior hockey.

You can talk all you want about how you worry about whether his game will translate, but I don't see what you see that is concerning and let's face it, none of us are scouts. I'm going to rely on stats and trends when it comes to fantasy hockey. Strome might end up busting but recent history says that it is a very small chance that he does.
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When you look at the players that in the last 10 years have managed to put up 100+ points in the OHL in their draft eligible season you will see very few players whose game didn't translate to the NHL. One, in fact: Brett MacLean, a poor skater that was riding shotgun to Tavares. And with his heart condition now we'll never know how well he would have done. The rest have gone on to produce in the NHL. The list is short: Spezza, Little, Kane, Gagner, MacLean, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, Seguin, Strome.

I agree with you that there is a lot of uncertainty with junior players but when they produce as early as Strome in the quantity that he did he is in pretty elite company in junior hockey.

You can talk all you want about how you worry about whether his game will translate, but I don't see what you see that is concerning and let's face it, none of us are scouts. I'm going to rely on stats and trends when it comes to fantasy hockey. Strome might end up busting but recent history says that it is a very small chance that he does.
I never said that I was concerned specifically about Strome. It's moreso about all junior players.

Just for arguments sake, I'd like to list all the OHL players that have put up 100+ points in the last 10 years:

2002-03
Corey Locke
Matt Foy
Chad LaRose
Joey Tenute
Kyle Wellwood
Jamie Johnson

2003-04
Corey Locke
Corey Perry
Martin St. Pierre
Eric Himelfarb
Daniel Sisca

2004-05
Corey Perry
Dylan Hunter

2005-06
Rob Schremp
Dave Bolland
Wojtek Wolski
Dylan Hunter
Evan McGrath
Justin Donati
Bryan Little

2006-07
Pat Kane
John Tavares
Sergei Kostitsyn
Tyler Donati
Sam Gagner
Bryan Little
Even Brophey
Bobby Ryan
Brett McLean

2007-08
Justin Azevedo
Brett McLean
John Tavares
Luca Caputi
Steven Stamkos
Chris Terry
Jack Combs
Michael Swift

2008-09
John Tavares

2009-10
Tyler Seguin
Taylor Hall

2010-11 and 2011-12
I'm not going to include these, as they are still developing and expecting NHL production from these guys at this points would be a fair comparison.

So it is clear, that being an 100+ point OHL player does not translate into being an NHL regular let alone an NHL star. Of the guys listed above, the only guys who you could consider a star are:

Corey Perry, Pat Kane, John Tavares, Bobby Ryan, Steven Stamkos, Tyler Seguin and Taylor Hall. The odds are clearly stacked against these guys. Am I saying there is something in STrome's game that will keep him from making the transition? Nope... i don't watch him play so I have nothing to base that on. But I can say that based on the stats above, OHL production is not a definitive indicator of future NHL production.
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So it is clear, that being an 100+ point OHL player does not translate into being an NHL regular let alone an NHL star.
When did I say this or even intimate it? Not only did I not say that any 100+ OHL player will become an NHL regular, I most certainly did not say that any 100+ OHL player will become an NHL star. That was a strawman of your own creation.

What I was pointing out is that putting up 100+ points in their draft eligible season is significant. When a player can at the age of 17/18 put up 100+ points this is a very significant indicator that they will succeed at the NHL level. As you point out, putting up 100+ at age 19 or 20 really isn't all that significant, but I thought we all knew that already...
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When did I say this or even intimate it? Not only did I not say that any 100+ OHL player will become an NHL regular, I most certainly did not say that any 100+ OHL player will become an NHL star. That was a strawman of your own creation.

What I was pointing out is that putting up 100+ points in their draft eligible season is significant. When a player can at the age of 17/18 put up 100+ points this is a very significant indicator that they will succeed at the NHL level. As you point out, putting up 100+ at age 19 or 20 really isn't all that significant, but I thought we all knew that already...

My bad, totally missed the draft eligible year part.

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My apologies for the tone if it was too much. I was just surprised you didn't see my argument when I thought it was clear I was talking about draft eligible seasons. Cheers.
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When did I say this or even intimate it? Not only did I not say that any 100+ OHL player will become an NHL regular, I most certainly did not say that any 100+ OHL player will become an NHL star. That was a strawman of your own creation.

What I was pointing out is that putting up 100+ points in their draft eligible season is significant. When a player can at the age of 17/18 put up 100+ points this is a very significant indicator that they will succeed at the NHL level. As you point out, putting up 100+ at age 19 or 20 really isn't all that significant, but I thought we all knew that already...

Agreed 100 % with that. I'm always looking at the pts total in draft year. For example, this season in LHJMQ, Duffy and Currie will probably reach 100 pts, at 20 year. Noboby will draft them on their fantasy team tough.
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He'll succeed in the NHL, just not at the level he has in junior. Not the best skater, pretty light, too one-dimensional for my liking. Eerily similar to Tim Connolly and Sam Gagner is definitely another good comparison
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He'll succeed in the NHL, just not at the level he has in junior. Not the best skater, pretty light, too one-dimensional for my liking. Eerily similar to Tim Connolly and Sam Gagner is definitely another good comparison
I feel this sentiment also. He'll make it for sure as the go to 2nd line centre behind JT, but like Connolly and Gagner he'll leave us hanging onto the hopes of exceptional seasons that never come.

Sure I may be wrong, I've been there before, but this is what my gut tells me
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