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Old 11-22-2012, 12:24 PM
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Women's hockey is slower (than an equal level of men's hockey), less physical (than an equal level of men's hockey - particularly since body contact is not allowed), and less skilled (than an equal level of men's hockey)

Now that doesn't mean it has to be any less entertaining, but for many people who want to watch hockey at the highest level, women's hockey is not there yet, and in all honesty, will never be there.

I went to the Gold Medal Game for the Women's National U18 and had a decent time. There was a good level of intensity and my family enjoyed it. But I would be bored to tears having to watch it on a regular basis.

For me it's the same thing in MMA. The entertainment value simply is not there. Not because women are lesser human beings but because they are (and this might be shocking to some people) ... different! *gasp*
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:26 PM
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For me it's the same thing in MMA. The entertainment value simply is not there. Not because women are lesser human beings but because they are (and this might be shocking to some people) ... different! *gasp*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHm9XjjbXIg

Are you not entertained?

Strikeforce has a limited roster, but has anyone in this thread ever watched Korean or Japanese women's MMA? It's amazing to watch. Truly excellent fighting. I've been watching it for about 15 years, and I have yet to be bored.

I was at GSP's fight in Montreal on Saturday night at UFC 154, in the 8th row, and I can tell you that the level of skill in women's MMA overseas is at the same tier as what the UFC is putting on its PPV broadcasts.
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I am willing to be that female Canadian university hockey players could easily whip the snot out of anyone posting in this thread in a game of hockey.
Completely irrelevant. I've played hockey against women and there were a couple that were well above my level in both physicality and hockey skills. What's your point exactly? That as long as women play hockey at a higher level than me, I should be entertained? Garbage!

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Personal preference is saying "I prefer not to watch women's hockey." Sexism is saying "women's hockey is painful to watch."
I also find watching lawn bowling, racquetball, synchronized diving, NASCAR, poker and sometimes CFL football painful to watch. That statement is NOT sexist simply because the word women is there.

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Sexism is such an institution in our society - something that was have been so conditioned to accept as the norm - that we are in many cases incapable of recognizing our own ignorant or sexist actions.
Pulpit time I guess. So the fact that I find women's hockey painful to watch means I am ignorant? I just don't agree with this line of thinking.
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Well maybe you're right. I am a 'light' MMA viewer and pretty much only watch the big PPV stuff.
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Strikeforce has a limited roster, but has anyone in this thread ever watched Korean or Japanese women's MMA? It's amazing to watch. Truly excellent fighting. I've been watching it for about 15 years, and I have yet to be bored.

I was at GSP's fight in Montreal on Saturday night at UFC 154, in the 8th row, and I can tell you that the level of skill in women's MMA overseas is at the same tier as what the UFC is putting on its PPV broadcasts.
Don't get me wrong, if women are fighting in MMA or whatever (Strikeforce, etc), I wouldn't not watch because they are women. I would watch and make my own judgement as to whether or not the fight was a good one.

I found the undercards to the latest UFC fight (GSP's return) to be on the boring side for the most part.
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Pulpit time I guess. So the fact that I find women's hockey painful to watch means I am ignorant? I just don't agree with this line of thinking.
Call it a pulpit if it makes you feel better. Maybe it's time to look inward and start living intentionally. You are hardly unique in espousing these opinions, and I decided to stop accomodating sexism years ago, so I point it out when i encounter it. It's up to you to decide how you react to what I have written here, and how you choose to phrase your opinions.

There are others in this thread who have discussed the issue without using the same tone or language as your post.
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Well maybe you're right. I am a 'light' MMA viewer and pretty much only watch the big PPV stuff.
It's not very well distributed outside of the Asian market, unfortunately.
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Call it a pulpit if it makes you feel better. Maybe it's time to look inward and start living intentionally. You are hardly unique in espousing these opinions, and I decided to stop accomodating sexism years ago, so I point it out when i encounter it. It's up to you to decide how you react to what I have written here, and how you choose to phrase your opinions.

There are others in this thread who have discussed the issue without using the same tone or language as your post.
He didn't write anything even remotely sexist or ignorant. He explained his position extremely well and countered all your points.

You're the one preaching from an agenda.
I fully support a woman's right to do anything she wants.
It doesn't mean I have to fake an interest when they do it or pretend to be entertained. I'm really tired of people and their fake outrage over stuff like this.
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You're the one preaching from an agenda.
I fully support a woman's right to do anything she wants.
It doesn't mean I have to fake an interest when they do it or pretend to be entertained. I'm really tired of people and their fake outrage over stuff like this.
i definitely have an agenda. The difference between yours, mine, and those of some of the others in this thread, is that I am upfront about and aware of mine.

thanks for labeling my outrage fake though. because you clearly know me so well.
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i definitely have an agenda. The difference between yours, mine, and those of some of the others in this thread, is that I am upfront about and aware of mine.

thanks for labeling my outrage fake though. because you clearly know me so well.

You're welcome. Anytime.
And thanks for labelling us sexist, ignorant, and unaware all because our entertainment preferences don't align with yours.
Because you clearly know us so well...
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