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Ryan Miller 62 95.38%
Craig Anderson 3 4.62%
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:13 PM
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I'd have to say that Dyz's selected timelines for each players' stats seem a bit too selective. Miller gets three years worth but Anderson only gets two? But I think the general point is that Miller has produced a stronger baseline of production for a longer period than Anderson. Basically, the worst case scenario for Miller is a much better scenario than the worst case scenario for Anderson, which is just an elaborate way of saying Miller carries less risk.
Not really fair to compare starter vs. non-starter numbers as the sample of games is drastically different. Anderson has only been a starter for 3 years, with one of them being his career year.
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Not really fair to compare starter vs. non-starter numbers as the sample of games is drastically different. Anderson has only been a starter for 3 years, with one of them being his career year.
Well then I suppose you'd have to limit the size of the Miller sample then wouldn't you?
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Well then I suppose you'd have to limit the size of the Miller sample then wouldn't you?
And if you take the past 2 years of Miller's career you get .916 SV%, 5 shutouts, 32.5 wins, 2.565 GAA, 1718 saves... which is virtually identical to the numbers I posted above.
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I'd have to say that Dyz's selected timelines for each players' stats seem a bit too selective. Miller gets three years worth but Anderson only gets two? But I think the general point is that Miller has produced a stronger baseline of production for a longer period than Anderson. Basically, the worst case scenario for Miller is a much better scenario than the worst case scenario for Anderson, which is just an elaborate way of saying Miller carries less risk.
Very selective indeed and not a lot of logic to it.
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And if you take the past 2 years of Miller's career you get .916 SV%, 5 shutouts, 32.5 wins, 2.565 GAA, 1718 saves... which is virtually identical to the numbers I posted above.
Which begs the question of why you didn't go this route.
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And if you take the past 2 years of Miller's career you get .916 SV%, 5 shutouts, 32.5 wins, 2.565 GAA, 1718 saves... which is virtually identical to the numbers I posted above.
If you go last 3 years for both goalies, you get:

Miller: 0.54 wins per game , 2.44 GAA, 0.921 SV%, 0.08 shutouts per game

Anderson: 0.51 wins per game, 2.75 GAA, .915 SV%, 0.065 shutouts per game

Pretty close in two categories at least. And that includes Miller outlier year.
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Which begs the question of why you didn't go this route.
Because a longer period of stats displays a higher level of reliability of him continuing to put them up, further supporting Miller's cause.
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Really surprised the vote is so far apart.....I went with Miller but I gave Anderson some consideration for a second or two. In the end it came down to feeling safer with Miller.....he's probably not going to repeat 2009-10, but he's pretty much a lock for 2.50 and .915, with 30+ wins.

Anderson is still too unknown. Yes he had a great year in Colorado, and he's been solid enough since getting to Ottawa, but even last year when he played so well he had a 2.83 GAA. He's a good goalie but I'm just not ready to take him over Miller.
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Miller's the better goaltender. If you're going to compare stats, especially respective means, you throw out both high and low outliers...not just the best year.

Last year was as bad and Miller gets. That whole Lucic thing got into his head, and the team learned a lot from that.

That said, my fantasy relevant bench mark for goalies is 60 games. It's arbitrary, I admit but hey....

So, Miller's first year at 60+ GPs was 06-07 which was also his worst year with a 2.73 GAA. His best as we all know was 09-10 at 70+GP and a 2.22 GAA. So throw those out and ya got approx 2.5 GAA (give or take) at approx 60-63 GPS between 06-12

Anderson...well, he's had only two years (09 -10, 11-12) at 60+GP (71 and 63 respectively) at a GAA of 2.71 and 2.84 so if ya throw those out there's not much to go on. He hit 51GP at 2.8 in 10-11 beyond that he hit 30GP only once.

Not sure how this is even a discussion.
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The battle has begun!

Craig Anderson: 3-0-1, 0.74 GAA, .975 SV%, 1 SO

Ryan Miller: 2-2-0, 2.01 GAA, .941 SV%, 0 SO
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