Getzlaf or Cheechoo - Page 2 - Fantasy Sports Forums

BrianSTC · #11 07-04-2007, 02:21 AM

Cheechoo....definitely Cheechoo.
That Michalek-Thornton-Cheechoo line was smoking near the end of the season.

87Flyer · #12 07-04-2007, 12:52 PM

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Cheechoo without a doubt. In my mind, you always have to favor the guy that\'s gotten a rocket richard trophy
I\'d take nash over getlaf any day too... lol anyone that can win the rocket richard trophy at the age of 20 like Nash did is worth taking a chance on

i find it interesting that this is the way you gauge a player. so, just because a guy wins a trophy he\'s golden and you must have him. it doesn\'t matter if the guy hasn\'t broken the 60 point mark in his young career or never played a full season, it doesn\'t matter if the team he plays on or the players that play around him aren\'t very good, he won a trophy take him. hmmm.

so what happens when cheechoo starts the year slow and then he gets moved off of thornton\'s line and replaced with michalek. do you now sit with a guy that is only going to score 69 points and hope he gets back to the big line. the problem with this is that thornton is what makes cheechoo good, without him setting him up he isn\'t going to score 90+ points. i\'m not saying that he won\'t i am saying that he might not and last years stats say the same thing. things change from year to year, there\'s only a few players that you can say for sure are going to put up similar stats year in and year out. are you sure cheechoo is one of those.

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I don\'t know why anyone would take him over either one of these scoring trophy winners in a keeper league... maybe in a seasonal league, but not long term. No way.

lmao, why indeed. the kid\'s a beast, has the tools to be a difference maker. plays on a solid team with plenty of depth. the players all know their roles and he\'s going to play an important one. he\'s a centre and as a general rule the centre position scores more points than the wing. the changes to anaheim have been fixed to the best of burkes ability and if selanne and niedermeyer do happen to come back how much stronger will they be. he played with kids all year, he had 58 points and cheechoo played with thornton, he got the whopping 69. how much more might he get if he plays with a healthy bertuzzi rather than penner. getzlaf will be a central figure of the ducks franchise for years to come, another so-so season out of cheechoo could find him in another location. michalek looked dam good playing with thornton to, what happens if he takes cheechoo\'s place. one things for certain, if there\'s any problems with chemistry on the 1st line it won\'t be thornton that gets moved. i think these reasons might be enuff to make it a tougher decision than he\'s won a trophy so you have to pick him, especially over a long period of time. 1 year pools are for gambles, cheechoo re-establishing himself as a 90+point player most likely falls into that category. imo anyway.

lanky522 · #13 07-04-2007, 01:28 PM

87flyer wrote:

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Cheechoo without a doubt. In my mind, you always have to favor the guy that\'s gotten a rocket richard trophy
I\'d take nash over getlaf any day too... lol anyone that can win the rocket richard trophy at the age of 20 like Nash did is worth taking a chance on

i find it interesting that this is the way you gauge a player. so, just because a guy wins a trophy he\'s golden and you must have him. it doesn\'t matter if the guy hasn\'t broken the 60 point mark in his young career or never played a full season, it doesn\'t matter if the team he plays on or the players that play around him aren\'t very good, he won a trophy take him. hmmm.

so what happens when cheechoo starts the year slow and then he gets moved off of thornton\'s line and replaced with michalek. do you now sit with a guy that is only going to score 69 points and hope he gets back to the big line. the problem with this is that thornton is what makes cheechoo good, without him setting him up he isn\'t going to score 90+ points. i\'m not saying that he won\'t i am saying that he might not and last years stats say the same thing. things change from year to year, there\'s only a few players that you can say for sure are going to put up similar stats year in and year out. are you sure cheechoo is one of those.

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I don\'t know why anyone would take him over either one of these scoring trophy winners in a keeper league... maybe in a seasonal league, but not long term. No way.

lmao, why indeed. the kid\'s a beast, has the tools to be a difference maker. plays on a solid team with plenty of depth. the players all know their roles and he\'s going to play an important one. he\'s a centre and as a general rule the centre position scores more points than the wing. the changes to anaheim have been fixed to the best of burkes ability and if selanne and niedermeyer do happen to come back how much stronger will they be. he played with kids all year, he had 58 points and cheechoo played with thornton, he got the whopping 69. how much more might he get if he plays with a healthy bertuzzi rather than penner. getzlaf will be a central figure of the ducks franchise for years to come, another so-so season out of cheechoo could find him in another location. michalek looked dam good playing with thornton to, what happens if he takes cheechoo\'s place. one things for certain, if there\'s any problems with chemistry on the 1st line it won\'t be thornton that gets moved. i think these reasons might be enuff to make it a tougher decision than he\'s won a trophy so you have to pick him, especially over a long period of time. 1 year pools are for gambles, cheechoo re-establishing himself as a 90+point player most likely falls into that category. imo anyway.

Topic 1
Ok. Firstly, there are other factors as to who I would to own in a keeper league, such as what sort of center they play with, what sort of system their team plays, what sort of coach the player has, etc...

1) He\'ll be playing with thronton for the next 4 years at least (both have contracts that long). Who passes to Getzlaf? Undrafted Andy McDonald? I KNOW you aren\'t comparing Thornton to McDonald.

2) San Jose plays a very offensive style whereas anaheim plays a more defensive style, capitalizing on the other team\'s mistakes and using it\'s defenders to create offense. I\'d take the guy from the team with all the good forwards and the offensive style any day.

3) I think their coaches are comprable. Tie.

Cheechoo still wins 2-0. Add to that the fact that cheechoo\'s acheived 90+ points when getzlaf hasn\'t, the fact that cheechoo has had 93 goals in two seasons (to getzlaf\'s 39 in two seasons), the fact that cheechoo has 8 hat-tricks in the last two seasons (getzlaf has zero) and we are now up to Cheechoo STILL winning 5-0.

Tell me, other than being a little bit younger, what does Getzlaf has that Cheechoo doesn\'t? I\'m curious.

Topic 2.
Cheechoo will not be pulled of thornton\'s line for any length of time, because quite frankly, who will they replace him with? Nobody on the team is as potent a goal scoring threat as cheechoo is. Nobody. He may be bumped to the second line for a few games to play with (OH NO!!!) Patrick Marleau. Tough life. If Getzlaf gets bumped down, who\'ll he play with?

You say that Cheechoo might not be a player who can put up points year in and year out... OOOOOO I don\'t know... two consecutive 30+ goal seasons is pretty crappy... Wait... has Getzlaf put up great points year in and year out? Nope.

In the end it comes down to this... Do you want a player that\'s proven himself before? Or do you want a player who MIGHT be good? I\'ll take the proven guy any day over the guy who may live up to the hipe. Show me Getzlaf with a 50+ goal, 90+ point season in the next few years and maybe I\'ll change my mind then. Until then, you go with the guy that plays with thornton, and has the most hat tricks in the league over the last two seasons.

Peace!

P.S. 87Flyer, it makes it really difficult to follow your long posts when you don\'t create paragraphs to break your thoughts. Please look into this. I think you by and large have good opinions, but I sometimes grow impatient reading your posts.

87Flyer · #14 07-04-2007, 02:15 PM

lmao, posts that are to long, i hope that isn\'t the pot calling the kettle black. from what i could see there was spaces and paragraphs but if you\'d like you could take that up with my grade 8 english teacher. if you don\'t like to read the posts, don\'t, just skip right on by them.

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1) He\'ll be playing with thronton for the next 4 years at least (both have contracts that long).

not if he plays like last year when they could put any of michalek, bernier or even marleau on the line when his hands turn to stone. tie

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2) San Jose plays a very offensive style whereas anaheim plays a more defensive style

wow you must find it surprising then to know that BOTH teams scored 258 goals last year, which one was the offensive did you say? tie

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Add to that the fact that cheechoo\'s acheived 90+ points when getzlaf hasn\'t, the fact that cheechoo has had 93 goals in two seasons (to getzlaf\'s 39 in two seasons)

from a career standpoint cheechoo only had 37 goals in his first 2 yrs. tie

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Who passes to Getzlaf? Undrafted Andy McDonald? I KNOW you aren\'t comparing Thornton to McDonald.

last time i checked getzlaf was a centre, hence the point i was making, HE does the passing, how many more points might he have if he has a proper winger rather than penner(no offense to him but he isn\'t quite the greatest finisher)

you\'ve already said it yourself, he won\'t get pulled from the big line, he has already, what\'s to say he won\'t again. playing on the big line he scored 69 pnts, thats right 69. pretty impressive numbers playing with the best set up man in the league.

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Tell me, other than being a little bit younger, what does Getzlaf has that Cheechoo doesn\'t? I\'m curious.

skill, size, imagination. he showed that quite well last year. as for cheechoo, i could get on the ice and score 30 with thornton and i\'m sure so could a whole bunch of other forwards throughout the league.

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Cheechoo will not be pulled of thornton\'s line for any length of time, because quite frankly, who will they replace him with? Nobody on the team is as potent a goal scoring threat as cheechoo is. Nobody.

are you serious.

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In the end it comes down to this... Do you want a player that\'s proven himself before? Or do you want a player who MIGHT be good? I\'ll take the proven guy any day over the guy who may live up to the hipe.

what has cheechoo really proven, that he can score 50+ goals once. lots of guys in this league can put up 30 goals. the real talents are the ones who do it year in and year out, not when they decide it\'s time to.

as for living up to the hipe. lets look at the scenario from a different angle. you have 1 chance to get

player a, he is a centreman, big, skates well, has skill and scoring ability, drives to the net and uses his wingers effectively, could be one of the premier centres in the next 2 years

or

player b, he scored 50 goals 2 years ago, had a down year but as long as he plays with his centreman he might score 50 goals again.

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P.S. 87Flyer, it makes it really difficult to follow your long posts when you don\'t create paragraphs to break your thoughts. Please look into this.

hey thanks for the input, do you do tutoring as well for fantasy hockey writing. if you\'d prefer i could do double posts and split it up for you.

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I think you by and large have good opinions, but I sometimes grow impatient reading your posts.

while we\'re being honest, for the most part your posts are pretty good as well but i do find your posts rather condescending quite often. it almost feels like i have a big brother who is continously telling me how it is wether i agree or not. i can\'t help but wonder if you actually do know everything and for what organization your working for under covert operations, are you a scout for the sharks. till next chat TC.

87Flyer · #15 07-04-2007, 02:15 PM

dam double post

Post edited by: 87Flyer, at: 2007/07/04 14:16

lanky522 · #16 07-05-2007, 12:35 PM

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG. I got logged out!!!! I wrote a long ass post that addressed EVERYTHING you brought up.

Oh well. Basic summary.

I think that I\'m right, but I agree to disagree.

I would compare cheechoo to eric staal, brad richards, etc (guys that had big years in 2005-06 but didn\'t preform as well last season). I would take any of these guys over getzlaf.

I (personally) wouldn\'t ever trade someone that has proven that they can be elite (90+ points) for someone who may have the \"potential\" to do the same unless there are some major compounding factors (age is a big one). - This is just my preference... there may be people that prefer to go with youth and potential over a proven track record and that would be their decision that may or may not backfire.

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All these posts that are in this forum are people\'s opinions on what they think and what they\'d do. This is what I think and what I\'d do in this situation. I\'m not alone... numerous others agreed with me in this thread, while some agreed with your standpoint.

sorry if I come off as condescending or know-it-all... It comes from being very passionate and opinionated... I always do my reasearch and have supporting facts to back any opinion I make and maybe this makes me seem more sure of myself than on the forum may be. Sorry if I come across as an ass... I really just try to help people out as much as I can through my posts and columns.

If you or anyone don\'t agree with me that\'s fine... every movie critic ever has been disagreed with and criticized by someone, because in the end, it all just depends on the individual and what movies they like to watch (or how they like to run their fantasy squad).

That\'s the much abridged version of what I wrote.

Oh P.S. In dobbers top 300 player rankings Cheechoo is ranked 26th while Getzlaf is ranked 42nd. Incidently Rich Nash is ranked 37th. So I\'m definitely not alone in my line of logic on this one (about proven players being worth more than non-proven guys with potential).

87Flyer · #17 07-05-2007, 01:16 PM

that\'s to funny. i had the same problem with my 1st post as well, it timed out or something and had to redo the whole dam thing.

no need for apologies, we\'re typing messages so it\'s always hard to get the actual \"feel\" for what a person is saying. sometimes things just come across the wrong way. i must apologize as well for not taking this into account and maybe being a bit more hostile than needed.

your right about it being a forum and as such everyone has individual opinions on just about everything. i also believe that it isn\'t a bad thing to have some form of conflict with each others opinions. i think more times than not the conflict creates other points and insights into how a person might perceive a player and what their potential might be.

i think our problem is that we both have hard headed opinions of how we see the players and their potential. some guys go with the stats, others combine stats and their \"gut\" feelings, others just wing it. i think that\'s why this site is the best, so many different perspectives that are knowledgeable not just some guy(*cough* eklund *cough*) throwing out random crap everywhere.

i also know that cheechoo and nash are rated above getzlaf(that could change tho real fast), the main thing i was trying to show with my perspective on him as a player is that \"if\" he continues improving the way he has he\'s one of those players that once they are noticed everyone will want to get their hands on them and the chance to own them will be lost.

of course i could be wrong(which wouldn\'t surprise me lol) and he does nothing. i myself tho prefer the centre position potential to a wingers and the fact that he has the size, speed and seemingly the skill i think he has the potential to put up some decent numbers. guess we\'ll see.

lmao, i don\'t think this will be our last disagreement. tc.

87Flyer · #18 07-05-2007, 01:17 PM

dam did it again, then i tried to edit it and it told me i was trying to hack it. thats a good one lol.

Post edited by: 87Flyer, at: 2007/07/05 13:19

lanky522 · #19 07-05-2007, 01:48 PM

87Flyer wrote:

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your right about it being a forum and as such everyone has individual opinions on just about everything. i also believe that it isn\'t a bad thing to have some form of conflict with each others opinions. i think more times than not the conflict creates other points and insights into how a person might perceive a player and what their potential might be.

That is amazing insight. It\'s true, but I hadn\'t really ever awknowledged it until you mentioned it. There have been numerous times (now that I think back) where I hadn\'t even thought about a certain player\'s fantasy value, but then because someone else was so high on them, I did some research on them and changed my opinion of them.

I think you hit it on the head when you say that the conflict of opinions is really what brings the value of this forum alive. If everyone agreed on everything, this site wouldn\'t be anywhere near as helpful. It\'s the variety of opinions that make the site great.

Kudos Dobber.

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