Who would you rather have in a keeper league that includes peripherals (PIMs, hits, etc.)? I'm interested in production 2 years from now. Differences next year are not important to me. Are these guys close? League categories in sig.

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Stat Categories: G(1), A(1), +/- (.5), PIM (.25), SHG (2), SHA (1), GWG (2), Hits and blocks (.1), W(2), GA (-.2), SV (.05), SO (5)
C(x3), L(x3), R(x3), D(x6), Utility(1), G(x3), Bench(x6)

(Keep 10 skaters, 2 goalies)
C: Backes, Kuznetsov, Pavelski, Thornton, Grandlund
L: Benn, E. Kane, Dupuis, Kunitz, N. Filigno
R: Kassian, Tarasenko, Yakupov, Coyle
D: B. Smith, Carlson, D. Hamilton, Giordano, Hamonic, Seidenberg, Goligoski
G: Rask, Schneider, Lindback, Anderson

They are both very talented. They will both be ppg players. Tavares is ahead in development, imo. I can see both putting up 90pts or more as well as having seasons where they flirt with 100, hit 100 or possibly eclipse 100pts. Between the two, I like Tavares a little more, though. I think his game has more sandpaper, so he should be able to outproduce the speedy Seguin there. I would gi Tavares, especially if FOW is a cat.

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League: Yahoo 20 Team Dynasty, H2H (4C, 8W, 6D, 1G)
Cats: +/-, FOW, A, G, GWG, PPP, SHP, SOG, S, SPct, W, GAA

C: Kopitar,Nyquist,J.Staal,Strome
W: Atkinson,Benn,Bennett,Brunner
Huberdeau,Kessel,Seguin,Selanne
D: Beaulieu,DeKeyser,Despres,D.Hamilton,Leopold,Salo
G: J.Howard
Bench: Braun,B.Flynn,B.Gordon - J.Bernier,O.Pavelec,V.Stalberg
Prospects: Andrighetto,V.Arvidsson,Filatov,G.Carey,K.Flanagan,Kabanov,Lehtera,Omark,Ritchie,
R.Schwartz,Shalunov,Stransky,
Clendening,Deslauriers,Gauthier-Leduc,J.Morrow,R.Murphy,Petrovic,Postma,Reilly, -- M.Hackett

Tavares for me too. One87 sums it up nicely.

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Tavares and I dont think it is even close.

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Studs N Duds - Sunday's

12 Team NHL Salary Cap Dynasty
H2H, Salary Cap 82mil, Player actual salaries
G,A,PTS,GWG,PIM,SOG,STP,HT,BL,+/-,W,GAA,SV,SO
Starters: 12 Forwards, 6 Defense, 2 Goalies

F - Stamkos, Perry, E.Staal, Voracek, J.Staal, Simmonds, Ott, Downie, J.Jokinen, Eller, Nielson, Prust
D - Martin, Faulk, Brodie, Ellerby, M.Weber, Stone
G - Bobrovsky, Halak
Bench - Brunner, Brodie, Strachan, Khudobin, Lindback, Neuvirth, Ramo

Prospects - Calvert, Forsberg, Etem, Namestinikov, Kreider, Cundari

Tavares and I don't think it's even...yeah what he said

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DobberHockey Rules
14 Team Keeper, points only, best 12 skaters 2 dman 2 G count. Playoffs count.
F - Crosby, C.Smith, Wheeler, Parenteau, Hudler, Clowe, Grabovski, Atkinson, Frolik, S. Kostitsyn, Marchand, Peverley, Tavares, Read, Brouwer, Bickell, Gionta, Setoguchi
G - Anderson, Hiller, Markstrom, Brodeur
D - Letang, Del Zotto, I. White, Kronwall, Brodin, Nikitin

In a 2 year window: JT 100%

But I strongly believe TS will bridge the gap quickly after that. Kid will be electrifying.

But yeah, i'm going along with the rest of the team here....

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Points only keeper League, weekly head to head, 2RW, 2LW, 2C, 4D, 1 G , (goalies 2pts for W +3 for SO)



LW: Gaborik, Landeskog, Burrows

C: Seguin, Skinner, Berglund, Nyquist, Lombardi

RW: Eberle, Oshie, Doan, Silfverberg

D: Doughty, Carlson, Ekman-Larsson, Carle

G: Price , Schneider, Nabokov

Tavares for me too. He's pretty amazing surrounded by Marginal Talent...and only getting better as the Isle's prospects start to graduate to the big club. Say what you want about Moulson's emergence...I'd argue that Tavares has had a direct impact on Moulson's ability to score at the pace that he has.

Plus, I'd put Tavares slightly ahead of Seguin based on the cats your league utilizes. This may change as Seguin matures, but I think Tavares is just "That" much better a player all around than Seguin and definitely J.T. is HART worthy!

But interesting comparison nonetheless!

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Team:
C - Tavares, Getzlaf, Ribeiro, (C/R)
L - Hall, Semin, Macdonald(C/L), Healtey(L/R),
R - Perry, Yakupov, Voracek, Voracek, Williams, Boyes
D - Streit, OEL, Edler, Karlsson, B. Smith, Beauchemin, Seidenberg
G - Rinne, Bryzgalov, Anderson, Bernier, Vokoun
10 Team Keeper league with Yahoo

Roster (14 Kept Players): C, C, LW, LW, RW, RW, D, D, D, D, Util, Util, G, G,

(Weighted Category Points: see below).

Skaters -
(Points: G a/o A) 6
(+/-) 3
(PIM) 1
(PPP) 5
(GWG) 5

Goaltenders
(W) 15
(GA) -10
(SV) 1
(SHO) 15

At this point in time, I'd have to take Tavares. He's further along in the development and will be the man in NY for the foreseeable future.

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Ultimate Dynasty League
16 Team Dynasty League H2H: G, A, P, PPP, SHP, +/-, PIM, SOG, W, L, GAA, SvPct, SHO

C: Stamkos, Getzlaf, Carter
LW: Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Brown
RW: Iginla, Pavelski, Horton
D: Byfuglien, J.Johnson, Goligoski, Hedman, Hamonic
U: Mueller
G: Schneider, Hiller,
B: E. Johnson, S.Kostitsyn, Neil, Biron, Giguere
IR:
Prospect: Nail Yakupov, Tangradi

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This

Both will be perennial all-stars but Tavares has a better chance of a Hart or two.

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Salary Cap/Dynasty
C- Tavares, Backstrom, Ribiero, Turris, Eakin
RW- Gaborik, Perry, Downie, JWilliams
LW- Eriksson, Moulson, Duchene, Clowe, Johansson
D- Karlsson, Phaneuf, Enstrom, Burns, Gardiner, Voynov, Ellis
G- Fluery, Kipper, Dubnyk, Lindback

Farm- Huberdeau, Nyquist, Silfverberg, Grigorenko, Bjugstad, Teräväinen, Lack

Agree with this. Funny if you look at their 2nd year totals, they are both eerily similar, other than PIM and +/- which each player has a significant advantage over the other.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4681

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4962

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16 TM H2H DYNASTY G A +- PIM PPG PPA SHP FW SOG
Hits Blks GS W SV GAA SV% SHO
3C, 3RW, 3LW,2F,6D,1Util,2G,5BN,5IR
25 Player Farm

Penguins
C- Malkin, Crosby,J Thornton, Turris, Johansen, Cullen
LW- Hall, Nash, D Brown, Cooke,
RW- Gaborik, Wheeler, Clutterback, Tarasenko, Dorsett
D-Letang, Goligoski, Salo, Girardi, Faulk, Zanon
G- MAF, Rinne, Gustavsson

Farm - Grimaldi, Faska, JT Brown, Clifford, Rinaldo, Morin, Beach, Tangradi, Pulkinnen, Spooner, Miele, C Conacher, Welsh, Komorov, Rattie, Orlov, Dehann, Klefbom, Clendening, Thrower, Irving, Kuemper, Rynnas, Hovinen