Originally Posted by the_walrus
1) Justifying your offer:
If you have to justify the validity of your offer, it probably won't be accepted. Hell, you have 5-6 guys telling you it isn't a good enough deal and yet you're still trying to convince us how it makes sense. This isn't a judgement on you, but rather a judgement on whether or not we think you're offering enough. Keep in mind I offered Getzlaf/Doughty/Schneider/B. Smith which would help him greatly on D and in goal, while hurting him a notch or two on forward and the owner balked, because he knew he wanted another stud in return.
2) Assuming what the other GM needs/should do:
Nobody wants to be told how they should run their team. In my experience, there's no better way to alienate a rival GM then telling them/trying to convince them that they need to rebuild. Expecially if, as you mention, his actions are showing you he has no interest in rebuilding. You need to meet the other GM on their level, not convince them of yours.
Honestly, I don't see you have the star power to acquire Ovechkin unless you coupled Sedin with Rinne, and thats too much to give up. Since you're already offering two of your best players in the deal, try telling him to pick any 5 skaters from your roster and chose 3 of them to offer straight up for Ovechkin. You'll be giving up alot of production value, but Ovechkin's trade value means that one year from now if he doesn't work out you could still probably move him for a package of equal or better value than the one you gave up for him.
I strongly disagree on a few things:
1) Justifying an offer doesn't mean the offer is a bad one in the first place. If you place higher value of a player only because of his name, my JOB, in order to the trade done, is to extract the plus-value on name and generate the real value. If the other GM accepts right off the bat, that means my offer would have been too low. It's the basics of negotiations - each party trying to close the gap. If the majority of you would say it's not even close, then yes, I shall recraft the trade. It seems like this trade has place to interpretation, though.
2) When you look at the facts, his team is not in good posture. Therefore, I put myself in the other GM's shoes and ask myself:"is it worth giving up Ovechkin, lose couple of 1st rounders but improving two other keepers (while also receiving D. Sedin) in exchange of not having to go under complete rebuild and have my chances of competing sooner than 3 years from now and perhaps making playoffs as soon as this year?"
3) You're making it seem like I'm pointing a gun to his head to accept the deal. I have yet to discuss this deal with him, even though I sent the offer. My perception of his team is that he should rebuild but opted to have a compete-now strategy. I've never insinuated that he should run his team whatever way. I'm simply pondering on what type of offer to send considering what his plans seems to be, for him.
Statistically speaking, I doubt Ovechkin is worth my top three (pick three out of five). You wanna place value on a name, like most people would do? Fine, but I'm crunching numbers and it's not worth it.
Keeper league H2H weekly (12 teams, 20 players per team, 10 keepers)
9 Skater stats: P, G, +/-, PPG, PPP, SHP, GWG, Shots, Hits
4 Goalie stats: W, SO, Save%, GAA%
3C, 4W, 4D, 1X, 2G (minimum 4 starts a week), 6B
C: Benn, Little, Stepan
W: Ovechkin, Yakupov, Brown, Moulson,
D: Green, Byfuglien (W/D), Weber, Carlson
G: Rinne, Markstrom
B: Strome, Hanzal, J Jokinen, Goligoski, Flash, Faulk, Elliott