Originally Posted by bluck
Not to derail this thread a whole bunch but I wasn't to happy with the Jankowski pick. I mean we could have possibly traded up for Grigerenko I think he was picked 10th or 11th or something or we could have traded that first round pick earlier in the season for Turris. Who I think is very similar to Jankowski but isn't 5-6 years away in terms of making an impact. We also had the chance to grab Teravanian (sp) I think Feaster failed huge this last draft... he did all that work to get a 2nd rounder back and took Sielof.. like come on man.
Uh I wouldn't really agree with this. A couple GM's talked about the drafts lack of movement in the top 10 last year (Burke was the only one named I believe) and the idea that this was because everyone was pretty much focused on a specific player and got the player they wanted. The teams in teh top 10 very much wanted to grab dman, and the only pick traded was done to get Jordan Staal, so you can see the kind of trade it would have taken.
And I don't think either the 11th or 12th pick would have have been available. When Forsberg dropped to Washington, I doubt very much they would have traded back instead of passing on a guy I think they probably had a lot higher. And Buffalo was not going to trade back when Grigorenko was available. So I'm not sure any trade could have happened that would have allowed the Flames to grab Grigorenko.
Teravainen (who might be just as far away as Jankowski is) over Jankowski could be argue but its far from one being better at this point. There both very talented.
Jankowski isn't as bad a pick as someone make him out to be. He's a very close comparable to Nick Bjugstad, in skill set, in situations, in draft order and he's playing at a very similar level to where Bjugstad was in his first NCAA year.
Jankowski is currently leading his team in points (albeit it tied) and he's 2nd in goals. That's actually very impressive for a rookie in the NCAA, let alone one that is coming straight from high school with no junior experience (most have USHL experience coming into the NCAA). And development time might be faster than some expect. 5 - 6 years might be a little much. I'd say 3 -5 years is more likely, following a similar path to Nick Bjugstad (who was about 50/50 going pro this year).
Basic point I'm trying to make is give Jankowski a chance. It's early and Flames drafting has been pretty good in recent years.
And Sieloff is a beast. He has little fantasy relevance except in leagues that have hits/blocks but he's far from a slouch. He projects as a very hard hitting shutdown dman.
Originally Posted by MacLiii
Being from the area and able to watch BC play I definitely think he has a chance to become quite good in the NHL, but like others have said it takes much longer for the smaller players to show they can earn their keep in the "Show". See Nathan Gerbe who also put up some pretty eye popping numbers at BC himself and still hasn't established himself as a scorer in the NHL. I agree that if he lights it up at the world Juniors that might be the time to try and sell high. See Comparisons below.
Season Team League GP G A PTS PIM
2005-06 Boston College H-East 39 11 7 18 75
2006-07 Boston College H-East 41 25 22 47 76
2007-08 Boston College H-East 43 35 33 68 65
2008-09 Portland Pirates AHL 57 30 26 56 63
2008-09 Buffalo Sabres NHL 10 0 1 1 4
2009-10 Portland Pirates AHL 44 11 27 38 46
2009-10 Buffalo Sabres NHL 10 2 3 5 4
2010-11 Buffalo Sabres NHL 64 16 15 31 34
2011-12 Buffalo Sabres NHL 62 6 19 25 32
Season Team League GP G A Pts PIM
2010-11 Dubuque USHL 60 36 36 72 36
2011-12 Boston College H-East 44 21 23 44 10
2012-13 Boston College H-East 11 9 10 19 8
Gerbe is a similar situation but it's arguable that Gaudreau is more talented. Much more successful first season, being only a point off of the team lead (Chris Kreider no less).
14T BiWeekly H2H. 4 C/RW/LW, 6 D, 2 G
Cats:G(3), A(1.5), +-(1), PIM(0.2), PPP(1), SOG(0.2), GWG(1), SHP(2), Hits(0.3), BkS(0.4). W(2), SO(2), OTL(0.5), SV(0.2), GA(-1), L(-1).
LW - Pactches, Benn, Ott, Foligno, Belesky
C - Staal, Thornton, M Richards, Giroux
RW - Ovie, Hossa, Callahan, Tara, Neil
D - Weber, OEL, Shatty, Seidenberg, Suter, Wiz, Beauch, Wiz, MacDonald
G - Lundqvist, Varlamov, Allen
Prospects - Schultz, M Rielly, Ramo, Brodin, RNH, Forsberg, D Shore, Trouba, Bjugstad
IR- RNH, Kulikov