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Okay folks, here's the deal:
I'm in a league that I very much am in rebuilding mode. I inherited a team that has some good parts, but mostly blows. I've been offered the following deal and I wondered what y'all think about it. Would love some feedback. Here's the categories: G A +/-PIM PPP SHP GWG SOG W GAA SV% SHO He gives me Dubnyk 3rd rounder Erixon/Ehrhoff (can't spell it) I give up Jonathan Bernier theodore 10th round pick My question to you is: Do you see Bernier long term being better than Dubnyk? Which would you take, Ehrhoff or Tim Erixon? I just can't tell which upside is bigger. A fat rep your way if you can help me out! Thanks lads
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2012-2013 Keeper League Champion Keeper League: Drop four players after each year G A P +/- PIM PPP GWG W GAA SV% SHO Centers: Getzlaf, Stamkos, Tavares, Read (C/RW), Grigorenko, Teravainen, Toffoli Left Wingers: Neal (LW/RW), Ovechkin, Lucic, Clowe (LW/RW), Franzen (LW/RW), Conacher Right Wingers: Perry, Kessel, Downie, Seguin, Atkinson Defense: Letang, P.K. Subban, Dion Phaneuf, Byfuglien, Tyson Barrie, Paul Martin Goalies: Fleury, Smith, Bishop, Rask, Harding, Fasth |
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what size league how many do you start how many do you keep
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I would prefer bernier.. I bet he gets moved and a starting gig.
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Points only, No positional restrictions 1 Point - G,A,PPG,SHG,GWG 2 Points - Goalie Win, 2 - SHO, -.5 for loss Stamkos, Toews, Benn, Voracek, Moulson, Wheeler, Lecavalier, Couture, Whitney, Stepan D: Shattenkirk, Wideman, Carlson, Hedman G: Niemi, Reimer, Elliot IR: Ryan Kesler |
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12 teams, start 30, I start four goalies (Lehtonen, Lindback, Theo and Bryz)
I have 7 farm players, three are goalies (bernier and the Pickards)
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2012-2013 Keeper League Champion Keeper League: Drop four players after each year G A P +/- PIM PPP GWG W GAA SV% SHO Centers: Getzlaf, Stamkos, Tavares, Read (C/RW), Grigorenko, Teravainen, Toffoli Left Wingers: Neal (LW/RW), Ovechkin, Lucic, Clowe (LW/RW), Franzen (LW/RW), Conacher Right Wingers: Perry, Kessel, Downie, Seguin, Atkinson Defense: Letang, P.K. Subban, Dion Phaneuf, Byfuglien, Tyson Barrie, Paul Martin Goalies: Fleury, Smith, Bishop, Rask, Harding, Fasth |
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dubynk is a strange one for me if i had him i would hold him to see what he could do (unless i got a no brainer offer) and if he was on the wire i would grab him and do the same (depending on league size) he just isnt someone i am comfortable trading for unless i were on the cheap i might risk a trade for him involving theo but i surely wouldnt put bernier in a trade for him |
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I like Dubnyk, but I do not think he is the answer in Edmonton (or anywhere else...). That being said, Bernier has the potential to be a solid number 1 goalie SOMEDAY (but when??)
Erhoff has his better years behind him, while Theodore could still give you solid numbers. The 3rd round pick is a great upgrade for your 10th, but I feel that overall, this trade falls short. I would gamble on Bernier and ride Theodore until Bernier is ready to take over the crease on a given team. Hopefully by then, Theo still holds some value (maybe get a pick or 2 for him). If you are looking to rebuild, focus your efforts into landing a prospect that has little risk or avoid trading away yours. Just my 2 cents
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Keeper league (08-09 Champion) 16 teams (keep 18 NHLers, unlimited minors) Scoring Cats: G-A-PTS-PPG-PPA-(+/-)-PIM-SHP-SOG-FW-GWG Goalie Cats: W-L-SVS-SV%-GAA-SO C- Crosby-Spezza-Ennis-Bolland LW- Kovalchuk-Marchand-Landeskog-Boedker RW- Pavelski-Oshie-Havlat-Burmistrov D- Yandle-M.Green-J.Johnson-Carlson-Nikitin G- Lehtonen-Varlamov-Hiller Minors: F: Brunner, Conacher, Adam, Nyquist, Phillips, Forsberg, Girgensons, Killorn, T. Johnson D: Rundblad, Orlov, Sanguinetti G: Greiss, Nihlstorp, Taylor, Zatkoff |
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If you are rebuilding, I think Bernier is one piece you build around. Bernier becomes a FA after this season and I sense this might bring the situation to resolution. Dubnyk seems like a guy I would grab on the cheap, but not sure I would want to build my goalie corps around.
This is sort of a moot point since I would not recommend making this deal, but I think Ehrhoff has a higher upside than Erixon. Erixon is very solid in his own end and though he has some offensive skills may become more of a two-way or defensive guy than outright offensive d-man. Especially with guys like Moore, Murray, Savard, and others in CLB. In terms of upside I like Ehrhoff, but he does not exactly fit into a rebuilding plan. With the number of goalies in play in your league, I have to think that a GM in the running for top dawg would be interested in Theodore, should one of his goalies go down to injury. At that point, I think you could fetch a decent pick straight up for Theodore. I would pass on this trade.
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League #1 Dyn Points (14 tms) 12F, 6D, 2G, 8B; unl farm; Scoring: G(1) A(1) Shootout G(1) PIM(.1) +/-(.2) SOG(.05) W(2) SO(3) League #2 Dyn H2H Points (16 tm) - 6F 4D 1G 7B farm 10 (50 gms) Scoring SOG(.3) +/-(1) Hit (.2) GWG(1) PIM(.5) W(10) S(.2) GA (-1) SO (5) F: G(5), A(3), PPG(3), PPA(2) SHG(3) SHA(2) D: G(7) A(5) PPG(3) PPA(3) SHG(3) SHA(2) |
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I just don't like this trade for you. The swap of drafts is nice but IMO you are giving up the two best players in the deal. I think the guys have it on all the key points:
Dubnyk's future as the starter in Oil is very shaky. Expect a trade. Bernier has long been regarded as one of the top prospect goalies. He will get his chance and unless most experts are wrong, he will have a hell of a career. Dubnyk does not equal Bernier. IMO, Ehrhoff is significanlty more valuable than Eriksson. Not close. Number one PP versus a 3/4 D man. Not! Theordore remains a valuable asset as a trade commodity. Why give that up? So, a few things to consider, but I think the majority agree, this is not a good deal for you.
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13 team partial keeper league. Keep 10 plus 2 Rookies; 27 player roster, 20 starters; 12-F, 6-D, 2-G, 7 Bench, no positional requirement, no salary cap. Yahoo Roto Scoring Cats: Skaters - Pts, G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SOG; Goalies - Wins, GAA, Saves F- Stamkos, Crosby, Bobby Ryan, Roy, Skinner, Yakupov, Granlund, M Koivu, Berglund, Elias, Justin Williams, Dubinsky, Marleau, Lupul, Brunner, Perreault, Lapierre D- Goli, Ehrhoff, Hedman, Campbell, Kindl, Bieksa G- Rask, Ward, Pavelec, Khubodin |
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Thanks for the input guys, I declined the offer but inquired as to if he'd do Dubnyk for Theo straight up. We shall see!
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2012-2013 Keeper League Champion Keeper League: Drop four players after each year G A P +/- PIM PPP GWG W GAA SV% SHO Centers: Getzlaf, Stamkos, Tavares, Read (C/RW), Grigorenko, Teravainen, Toffoli Left Wingers: Neal (LW/RW), Ovechkin, Lucic, Clowe (LW/RW), Franzen (LW/RW), Conacher Right Wingers: Perry, Kessel, Downie, Seguin, Atkinson Defense: Letang, P.K. Subban, Dion Phaneuf, Byfuglien, Tyson Barrie, Paul Martin Goalies: Fleury, Smith, Bishop, Rask, Harding, Fasth |
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Getting Dubnyk for Theodore would be a great get.
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