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arctic_rogue · #11 12-07-2012, 03:03 PM

I think I'd have to agree with Pengwin7 here.

Krejci did have a down year last year, so I do expect him to rebound. In a points only league, I would tend to go with the assists guy as assists are easier to get than goals.

The only thing that concerns me here is the possible (future) lack of ice time for Krejci. If Seguin moves to C and Bergeron holding down the #2 C, that doesn't leave much for Krejci at C. With that said, I still think I'd roll with him as the safer option.

theIceWookie · #12 12-07-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pengwin7

40 assists, eh.
Ha - good luck! No way. He put up 32 assists last year and Desharnais and Cole both overachieved in shooting percentage.

ps. COD, I already posted the "good news" of MaxPac's PP numbers in my original post.
You probably didn't need to regurgitate it as your own... (and I'll have to assume you read my post.)

Krejci's ice-time isn't impacted by Seguin's growth. Boston rolls two top units. They'll each play about 18+ min/game and each play about 2+ min/game on the PP.

Last year they already made the switch, the Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin line became line 1 & PP1 (with Horton out) and Lucic-Krejci-Horton(Peverley) was line 2 & PP2.

So that HURT Krejci, but it won't get any worse than that... being Line 2 & PP2.
With MaxPac, last year he got Line 1 & PP1 minutes... but can/will it get any better than that? Honestly?
Especially with the magic that Cole-DD-MaxPac showed.
I don't think that repeats. (I said the same thing about Stastny & Chris Stewart's "magic"... but people weren't listening to that one either. Everybody expected them to repeat.)

I mean... how often do we see a player make a big jump... and then we expect them to repeat it - which is often wrong.
MaxPac made a huge jump... 65pts in an everything-went-right-for-this-line season. He played 18+ min/game and 3+ min/game PP.

People have a tendency to think that young players will CONTINUE to rise just because they are young... but when you are playing 18+ & 3+, you've pretty much maxed out your TOI. The only other maturation is in hockey-sense and chemistry. Is MaxPac's hockey sense & chemistry going to get any better than last season? 65pts. I say no. I say that 65pts will be a standard "great season" for MaxPac going forward. I think he'll level off to more around 60pts.

Thanks for pointing out the numbers on Krejci and Seguin's ice time. I often forget Boston roles two lines fairly even (and sometimes three), so that's a great point.

I think you've swayed me on MaxPac. 60 would be more his level. Especially if we consider he didn't have Gionta putting pressure on his for that spot and he went largely on unopposed top line time. Well I already agreed but was more willing to give MaxPac a shot. Not anymore though.

He's a guy that's better in leagues with peripherals and more goal heavy.

Luffy D Monkey · #13 12-07-2012, 04:09 PM

I agree that Max Pac is generally a 60 point level player but I think Krejci is a 40-50 point level player.

dmvincent · #14 12-07-2012, 04:23 PM

Pacioretty is a goal scorer, I wouldn't expect anything more than 15-20 assists per season from him.

He finished tied for tenth overall in shots on goal, right there with John Tavares. I would be interested to see how many of the 32 assists were on rebounds, because for a guy that shoots that much that seems like a fluke to me.

Boston's system values players like Patrice Bergeron and he will always get a ton of ice time, so that greatly affects Krejci's value.

Give me Pacioretty.

arctic_rogue · #15 12-07-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Luffy D Monkey

I agree that Max Pac is generally a 60 point level player but I think Krejci is a 40-50 point level player.

Not to be an ass, but your "thinking" on Krejci is not in line with reality.

06-07: 0 pts (6 GP)
07-08: 27 pts (56 GP)
08-09: 73 pts
09-10: 52 pts
10-11: 62 pts
11-12: 62 pts

There is nothing there that would indicate that Krejci is a 40-50 point player - absolutely nothing.

Average out his 4 full seasons (the last 4) and you get 62 pts. So the guy puts up 62 pts in his last two seasons and averages 62 over the last 4. I put him at a 60-65 point player.

Luffy D Monkey · #16 12-07-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by arctic_rogue

Not to be an ass, but your "thinking" on Krejci is not in line with reality.

06-07: 0 pts (6 GP)
07-08: 27 pts (56 GP)
08-09: 73 pts
09-10: 52 pts
10-11: 62 pts
11-12: 62 pts

There is nothing there that would indicate that Krejci is a 40-50 point player - absolutely nothing.

Average out his 4 full seasons (the last 4) and you get 62 pts. So the guy puts up 62 pts in his last two seasons and averages 62 over the last 4. I put him at a 60-65 point player.

Yeah Im aware of the stats. I just think Krejci is injury prone, soft, and redundant on his team. I should say 40-50 is my forecast crazy as it might seem.

Bnhershy · #17 12-07-2012, 04:34 PM

I'll take Pacio here. Looking forward to seeing Galchenyuk and him making magic down the road

Krejci simply has too many guys ahead of him on the depth chart in Boston. Bergeron and Seguin (if they slide him over to C) should be the top 2 centers IMO

arctic_rogue · #18 12-07-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Luffy D Monkey

Yeah Im aware of the stats. I just think Krejci is injury prone, soft, and redundant on his team. I should say 40-50 is my forecast crazy as it might seem.

Somewhat agree with the redundant part.

I don't see how he's injury prone. Over the last 4 seasons, he's lost a total of 13 games. There's no indication of injury issues.

Also, a pts only league, why does softness (actual or perceived) matter?

Luffy D Monkey · #19 12-07-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by arctic_rogue

Also, a pts only league, why does softness (actual or perceived) matter?

Well theoretically the coach would dislike him and he'd get less ice time.

arctic_rogue · #20 12-07-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Luffy D Monkey

Well theoretically the coach would dislike him and he'd get less ice time.

That clearly hasn't happened over the last 4 seasons:

08-09: 16:50 ATOI
09-10: 18:15 ATOI
10-11: 18:51 ATOI
11-12: 18:25 ATOI

With Claude Julien at the helm for each of those seasons and with his job not apparently in jeopardy, I don't see any major change as a result of softness.

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