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Old 11-25-2012, 10:47 AM
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Yeah that's roto alright and given that you have essentially 6 stat categories and Fleury as your starter projects to rank tied 13th with Niemi given your goalie stats - you might want to consider going after an upgrade in goal.

Personally I would bundle up Fleury and a hotshot young reserve and go after Rask or Schneider. You'll pick up 8 or 9 roto points by that move.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:51 AM
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Not really.

It's a stacked team in any format.
Not true - he is very weak in goal figuring to rank in the bottom 2 or 3 in that category.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:56 AM
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Mmm goalies aren't that valuable then.
True to an extent, cdubb. But in a 6 cat roto, he can't really afford to punt the goalie cat. With a single goalie slot in weekly starts, his goaltending is going to earn him a point or two in roto (Fleury will rank in wins and then get fileted in the rest of the stats). Even getting a guy like Kipper as his numbero uno will gain him 4 or 5 roto points. Easier than fighting for a marginal one or two points in skater cats.
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True to an extent, cdubb. But in a 6 cat roto, he can't really afford to punt the goalie cat. With a single goalie slot in weekly starts, his goaltending is going to earn him a point or two in roto, that's all. Even getting a guy like Kipper as his numbero uno will gain him 4 or 5 roto points. Easier than fighting for a marginal one or two points in skater cats.
It's very difficult to punt any category in Roto. When you take a 1 in a category, you pretty much commit yourself to having to dominate the other categories.
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Ok I will work on getting a different goalie. According to Dobbers top 50 goalie list Fleury is number 4, so I'm assuming Rinne , Quick ,or Lundqvist. I can prob get Quick or Rinne easier than Lundqvist. Is Lundqvist worth the extra I will have to spend? Getting 1 of these guys will be tough without trading at least 1 of my active line up guys. Part of the reason I have so many good prospects is that a lot of the guys don't put a lot of weight on them. Most have 1, 2 maybe 3 but that's it, so a couple other guys and myself kinda raced for them. Also because of Dobber and you forum guys I got the jump on some. So as a result including a prospect in a trade offer, even a good prospect doesn't mean as much.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:14 PM
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As an example someone commented on me having yakupov, I traded a guy that said he needed pims yakupov for J Carlson , kassian and downie. So you see they don't put a ton of weight on prospects cause I wouldn't have done that trade the other way in a million years.
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Ok I will work on getting a different goalie. According to Dobbers top 50 goalie list Fleury is number 4, so I'm assuming Rinne , Quick ,or Lundqvist. I can prob get Quick or Rinne easier than Lundqvist. Is Lundqvist worth the extra I will have to spend? Getting 1 of these guys will be tough without trading at least 1 of my active line up guys. Part of the reason I have so many good prospects is that a lot of the guys don't put a lot of weight on them. Most have 1, 2 maybe 3 but that's it, so a couple other guys and myself kinda raced for them. Also because of Dobber and you forum guys I got the jump on some. So as a result including a prospect in a trade offer, even a good prospect doesn't mean as much.
Dobber's ranking is for a much different league set up where Fleury is much more valuable.

Go after Rask or Schneider, more than adequate and potentially superior in your league set-up and likely much cheaper at the moment.
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True to an extent, cdubb. But in a 6 cat roto, he can't really afford to punt the goalie cat. With a single goalie slot in weekly starts, his goaltending is going to earn him a point or two in roto (Fleury will rank in wins and then get fileted in the rest of the stats). Even getting a guy like Kipper as his numbero uno will gain him 4 or 5 roto points. Easier than fighting for a marginal one or two points in skater cats.
Yah you are right after thinking about it. Normally goalies are super valuable in standard yahoo roto (4 of 10 stats) so I was downplaying their value here, but a category is a category.

Theoretically if his starter gets a shutout first game he could bench his goalie rest of season and guarantee himself probably 30/56 points (14 GAA, 14 S%, 1 W, 1 SHO) in the goalie category. Not sure if minimum games, but always thought about this.
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Yah you are right after thinking about it. Normally goalies are super valuable in standard yahoo roto (4 of 10 stats) so I was downplaying their value here, but a category is a category.

Theoretically if his starter gets a shutout first game he could bench his goalie rest of season and guarantee himself probably 30/56 points (14 GAA, 14 S%, 1 W, 1 SHO) in the goalie category. Not sure if minimum games, but always thought about this.

Pretty much a breach of ethics in any league I play in, cdubb. But yeah I suppose.
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Pretty much a breach of ethics in any league I play in, cdubb. But yeah I suppose.
I hate to open up a can of worms, but will argue about the "ethics" of fantasy hockey.

If there is no rule about minimum games played, then that strategy is not illegal.

In H2H leagues with 2 or 3 goalie games minimum per week, many GMs strategy is to bench their goalies once they have the minimum if they've got a shutout and have a really high GAA, save %.

If you reach the minimum goalie games in a roto league and are lucky to have an extremely high GAA/save % is that so different? (Note: I have never tried this as I only occasionally play roto, it only works in a league where goalie stats aren't worth as much, and I usually have one of Brodeur/Luongo who suck for the first 6 weeks).

I would say the only real break in ethics is (1) collusion in a trade, or (2) intentionally losing a matchup by benching your players. It's probably more "unethical" for the GMs who predictably stop making moves or adjusting their benches halfway through the season.
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