I'm in trade talks with Maya has the Knife regarding these two players and we wanted to take it to the boards because there needs to be a 2nd piece on either side, but we can't figure out who. I asked for Kulikov in addition to Smith, and that's where things stand now. What do you guys think is an even trade for both sides?

The stats are: G, A, Pts, +/-, SOG, PPP, Hits, Blk, FOW, W, GAA, Sv%, Svs.
It's a 10 team, H2H full keeper with 26 man rosters (start 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 1F, 6D, 2G) and 10 prospects (anyone under 50GP)

Here's my roster:

C: Stamkos, Thornton, Roy, Ott (LW), O. Jokinen, Stoll
LW: Kovalchuk, Ladd, Moulson, Pacioretty
RW: Gaborik, Jagr, Read, Sharp (C)
D: Carle, Carlson, Karlsson, Keith, Seidenberg, Subban, M. Stuart
G: Bryzgalov, Ward, Bachstrom, Crawford, Elliott
Prospects: Cervenka, Nyquist, Tatar, Brunner, Barberio, Erixon, Murray, Holtby, Markstrom, Visentin

Here's Maya has the Knife's roster:

C: Hanzal, Kopitar, Lecavalier, E. Staal, Zajac
LW: Burrows, Dubinsky, Foligno, Parise, Boedker
RW: Cole, P. Kane, St. Louis, Yakupov, Clutterbuck
D: Campbell, Chara, Enstrom, Green, Kulikov, J. Schultz, Beauchemin, Orpik
G: Rinne, Hiller, Luongo
IR: Granlund, Horton
Prospects: Faksa, Jenner, Schwartz, Jensen, Collberg, Brodin, Lindholm, Murphy, B. Smith, Bernier

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16 team, full keeper
19 roster players, 15 prospects
Stats: G, A, PPG, SHG, special teams assists, SOG, FOW, PIM, hits, blocked shots, +/-, W, SO, saves, s%, GAA, shootout saves

C: Crosby, Backstrom, H. Sedin, Boyle, Brassard
W: Voracek, Burrows, McDonald, Filppula, Dorsett, Hudler, Abdelkader, Bouchard, Ott, Zuccarello, Stalberg
D: Karlsson, Letang, Enstrom, Boyle, Giordano, Gorges, M. Stuart
G: Quick, Kiprusoff, Ellis

Prospects: Granlund, Pirri, Caron, Killorn, T. Johnson, Galiev, Corrado, Vatanen, Moore, Rundblad, Bachman, C. Johnson, Desjardins

My opinion is that the Subban owner should keep him in this kind of roto format. He is still wildly inconsistent and not a finished product but is already among the best contributors. Any offensive improvement and he finds himself among the elite.

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24-team H2H (roto G, A, GWG, SHP, PPP, PIM, +/, SOG, Hits, Blks, FOW, W, SV, SV%, GAA, SO)

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Kulikov and Smith for Subban and your worst probably pretty even. I agree with the above that Subban should be held onto, but the same can be said for Kulikov. Given the two, I'd take PK, but if the other guy tossed in Smith for my worst, I'd seriously consider.

GL

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19 team Dynasty League - POINTS ONLY. Daily starts: 9 fwds, 6 D, 1 goalie

G=2pts, A=1pt, Dman G=3pts, GWG=1pt, Goalie Win=3.5pts, SO=4pts, L=-1pt


Kovalchuk, Couture, Wheeler
Parenteau, Elias, Little
Desharnais, Hemsky, Zuccarello
Smith, Rattie

Karlsson, Letang, Ehrhoff
Carle, Giordano, Martin
Hamhuis

Fleury
Schneider

I dont understand why the subban owner would want to deal him? If you were aqcuiring a need (like a goalie ) then sure. But from what im seeing now it dosnt make sense?

I would keep subban

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14 Team Dynasty, Full Salarys (Cap 20M$ over actual).
G,A,Pts,+/-,PIM,PP,SH,Shots,GWG - W,SV%,GAA,SO,Saves
3C,3LW,3RW,3F,5D,2G,5Bench

Jonathan Toews (A) / Martin St.louis (A) / Henrik Zetterberg / Patrick Marleau / Phil Kessel / Jarome Iginla / Patrice Bergeron / P.A. Parenteau / Cody Hodgson / Alex Burrows / Gabriel Landeskog / Damien Brunner
Zdeno Chara (C) / Alex Edler / Dan Boyle / Oliver Ekman-Larsson / Raphael Diaz
Jimmy Howard / Corey Crawford
Jaroslav Halak / Victor Fasth / Patric Hornqvist / Derrick Brassard / Cam Atkinson

IMO Subban should be considered elite in roto leagues and the rule of thumb regarding the elite is you only trade them for a massive overpayment if at all. This is not a massive overpayment.

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Here are links to Terry Campkin's geek of the week articles on Subban and Kulikov. Supports the commetns here that Subban is a roto stud and worth more.

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index...eek&Itemid=117

http://hockey.dobbersports.com/index...eek&Itemid=117

I'd keep Subban too. It looks like you have a well balanced team and the trade is not addressing a weak spot. Chances are you'll lose value overall when you dilute your teams talent taking a 2 for 1 unless the 2nd player is replacing a weak link in your roster.

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16 team H2H keep all - 1st Place in 2010-11
C: Datsyuk, M. Koivu, Krecji, Cervenka
LW: Parise, Franzen, Skinner, Glencross
RW: Pavelski, Marchand, Brunner, Shaw
D: Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Burns, Carle, Keith, Martin, Beauchemin
G: Lundqvist, Halak, Backstrom
Prospects: Hackett, Murray, Bjugstad, Poulin, Vatanen, Rattie, B. Nelson, Fasth

Even then, why downgrade an elite asset to improve the last spot? Couldn't a skilled GM find other means to fix that weakness?

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Thanks for these links. I hadn't seen them before.

This trade, or at least the discussions, was borne mostly out of boredom. It's a new league and we are all happy with our shiny new toys, but we can't play with them. KnowwhatImean? I recognize that defense isn't a weakness for my team, but I'm kind of itching to do something. Even if it's a lateral move. What I didn't expect was that everyone would assign so much value to Subban and deem this as being so lop-sided.

My teams biggest weakness at this point, I feel, is that I lack reliable depth at C. Compared to last years stats I fall behind in 3 main cats: FOW, Blocks and Hits. What I want to do is use some of my depth at other positions, like defense and especially in goal, to strengthen my C depth. With so many goalies I had hoped to sell a few of them to upgrade at C. The problem is that everyone seems happy with their goalie situations. Until the season starts and goalies start playing badly or get injured I probably just need to sit tight.

What are your opinions on that?

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16 team, full keeper
19 roster players, 15 prospects
Stats: G, A, PPG, SHG, special teams assists, SOG, FOW, PIM, hits, blocked shots, +/-, W, SO, saves, s%, GAA, shootout saves

C: Crosby, Backstrom, H. Sedin, Boyle, Brassard
W: Voracek, Burrows, McDonald, Filppula, Dorsett, Hudler, Abdelkader, Bouchard, Ott, Zuccarello, Stalberg
D: Karlsson, Letang, Enstrom, Boyle, Giordano, Gorges, M. Stuart
G: Quick, Kiprusoff, Ellis

Prospects: Granlund, Pirri, Caron, Killorn, T. Johnson, Galiev, Corrado, Vatanen, Moore, Rundblad, Bachman, C. Johnson, Desjardins

You know you wanna trade... just do it!

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12 team H2H dynasty league
Start 4C, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 1UTIL, 2G
9 man farm (<60/30 GP)
G, A, PPP, SHP, PIM, +/-, SOG, HIT, BLK, FW / W, SV, SV%, GAA, SHO

C: Kopitar, Toews, Krejci, M. Koivu, Plekanec, Johansson
LW: Eriksson (RW), Hartnell, M. Richards (C), McDonald (C)
RW: Malkin (C), St. Louis, Eberle, Gaborik, Atkinson, Cole
D: Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Suter, Goligoski, Carle, Beauchemin
G: Lundqvist, Fleury, Hiller

Farm: Chiasson, Killorn, Jenner, T. Johnson, Merrill, Rattie, Vatanen, Visentin, Wilson