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Dobber here - we are now migrating to a new server. This also involves a pretty kick-ass firewall. So no more crashes I hope. And the site speed should improve even more. Good things. Anyway, at some point between now and 5am ET there will be a five-minute window where anything new added to the site will be lost in purgatory forever. It's a very small window, but to be safe I'll hold off posting the ramblings until tomorrow. One or two forum posts may get lost because of this (if they get posted at the wrong time tonight), but we'll try to move everything over, and the move over any updates, and then flip the switch.
Something that was brought up earlier this week really irked me. Glendale councilor Joyce Clark referred to a few Canadian investors as “poachers”.
"It’s sited in a major sports and entertainment district in Glendale and we rely upon the 42 nights of hockey games to help to keep what we call Westgate healthy,” Clark said, “so that’s a major reason for supporting keeping the Coyotes in Glendale and in Westgate."
First of all, its 41 home games, not 42, so thanks for showing me that you’re a true supporter of the Coyotes and the NHL. Secondly, if it’s such a major sports and entertainment district, why the hell, on average, do only 12,000 fans show up to the home games when you ice a highly competitive hockey team (with quite a few six, seven, eight and nine thousand attendees sprinkled in there). If the team was in Canada it’d be sold out left, right and center. Hell, our teams can be 0-82 and we’d still sell out all of the home games. Thirdly, I understand that you’ve made a huge investment and have sunk millions and millions of dollars into building the new Jobing.com Arena and relocating the Coyotes from central Phoenix into Glendale, but it’s a sinking and hemorrhaging ship. According to Wikipedia, the Coyotes have lost well over $200 mil since the move from Winnipeg, and have lost at least $20 mil per season since 2001 and by far are the worst financial team in the league by a huge margin.
Face it, you’re pretty desperate when you’re paying a potential new owner just to help cover their annual losses. Any smart investor will look at this situation and stay far, far, far, far away from it. Why would an investor look at this situation and put their hand up to lose $10 mil this season, which is in addition to your $17 mil “subsidy fee”? You should be happy that there are even any investors willing to take this hemorrhaging ship off your hands, not condemning them.
The reason why they are “poaching” your team is because they can easily turn a sinking, hemorrhaging ship into a money making enterprise if the team is moved into a hockey “hot-bed” city. Just look at the Thrashers situation. They were a financially unsustainable entity in Atlanta, boom they get bought out, given a “relocation fee” and suddenly the value of the team increased 21 percent! Even Facebook going public didn’t increase that much in value over a year. So why are there so many Canadian “poachers”? Because they can turn a fledging enterprise into a money-making machine. That’s why!
You’d be better off letting the Coyotes go, while accepting a “relocation fee” of say $100 mil. Watch the NHL grow its wings in the US with much more national coverage via the NBC network, and hopefully get the NHL to expand back into Phoenix when the area/fan base is redeveloped in a few years’ time, which is basically applying the exact same situation that happened in Winnipeg to Phoenix. That makes more sense than to convince an investor too willingly to lose $10-20 mil year after year and hope that the fans will eventually buy in four or five years down the road.
I thought I’d look into the matter a bit more and this is what I dug up.
It’s interesting to see the attendance numbers in cities where there’s competition between a NBA team with a NHL team.
Traditional sporting/hockey cities like Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Minnesota, Los Angeles and New York don’t have a problem of filling seats even though they have competition. It’s the small market teams that are below the 40th parallel, while facing direct NBA competition, that’s finding it difficult to fill the seats.
Six (Florida, Colorado, New Jersey, Dallas, Islanders and Phoenix), of the nine teams that operate with a lower than 90 percent capacity face direct competition from a competing NBA team which could be one of the main reasons to explain why they have lower attendance numbers.
If I’m Gary Bettman I’d look into these stats and plan my next course of action accordingly. If he’s thinking of relocation, then teams that are struggling, like Dallas, Phoenix and the Islanders, might function better in a market where there isn’t a market-share situation with the NBA. Perhaps Seattle, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Quebec City or Hamilton would make great potential targets to “expand” the sport of hockey.
What’s the off-season plan for the Rangers? To be fair I don’t think they need to change all that much in order to compete for the Stanley Cup next campaign. The major pieces are already there, so maybe just some minor tweaking by adding some extra offensive depth.
According to Capgeek, heading into next season the Rangers have roughly $16.4 mil to spend. They have Ruslan Fedotenko, Brandon Prust, John Mitchell, Steve Eminger, Jeff Woywitka, Stu Bickel, John Scott and Marty Biron headed to UFA, with Mats Zuccarello, Micheal Del Zotto and Anton Stralman headed towards RFA. Only ones that I see re-signing with the blue shirts are Zuccarello, Bickel and MDZ. Biron possibly might be re-signed if they don’t find any of the other viable goalie options.
Now the interesting thing is, they do have a bit of cap space. The big question is what are they going to do with it? Brandon Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a first-round draft pick have been linked to Rick Nash during the trade deadline and could be a possible option on the table on draft day. If the Jackets decide to take the Kings’ first round pick this season, and land the Rangers’ first round pick, it would give them four picks in the first 31 picks for the entry draft and five of the first 45, which could go a long way in helping to rebuild the franchise.
Landing Nash would give the Rangers a look of:
Gaborik – Richards – Hagelin Callahan – Stepan – Nash Anisimov – Boyle – Rupp Zuccarello* - ?? - ??
Girardi – McDonagh Staal – Del Zotto ?? - ??
Lundy ??
*There have been some rumors about Zuccarello signing with Metallurg of the KHL, but his agent has denied those rumors, but there has been some "discussions".
Which would be a pretty solid mix in the top-six in terms of offensive depth and physicality and perhaps enough to get them over the hump.
One of the main reasons why they didn’t get to the cup was their atrocious 1-8 record when giving up the first goal during the playoffs. Adding an offensive dynamo game-breaker like Nash into the mix could fix up that stat in a hurry.
According to Forbes, so much for the salary cap leveling the playing field in the NHL.
“More often than not, the teams that spend more will win more throughout the NHL’s 82-game season. Between 2007 and 2011, teams that ranked among the league’s top ten in player costs made the playoffs 82% of the time. For teams that cracked the top five in payroll, that likelihood of reaching the postseason increased to 88%.” Interesting thing about that is spending more might get you in, but it won’t win you a championship.
“Once through the door and into the party, though, anything can happen. The team with the bigger payroll won just 48% of the 75 playoff series played over the last five years. Of the 20 teams to make a conference final since 2007, just seven have ranked among the league’s top five in player expenses, and several don’t even come close.” This year proved no different as the Rangers, Devils, Kings and Coyotes all weren’t amongst the league’s top-five in player expenses.
“The last five Stanley Cup champions have averaged payrolls just 6% above the average team’s, and two of those teams actually kept spending below the league average (2007 Ducks and 2009 Penguins).” This also fits the bill of this year, as the Kings ($63.7 mil) are 8.2 percent above the average team’s payroll, while the Devils ($61.7 mil) are 4.8 percent above. So who’s the most and least “cost-efficient” teams in the NHL this campaign? Simon Gagne returned to practice on Friday. He hasn’t played since Dec. 26 after another experiencing another concussion. The Kings have plenty of great chemistry at the moment and I don’t know if bringing him in would mess with a good thing. I’d keep him benched.
Ilya Kovalchuk, Martin Brodeur, Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, Dustin Brown, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Jon Quick who’s the frontrunner for the Conn Smythe? What about Pancake Penner?
The area that’s going to determine the winner of the Stanley Cup will be the special teams. The Devils will pit their 18.2 percent PP efficiency against the Kings’ 91.2 percent PK ratio, while they put their 74.2 PK efficiency on the line against the Kings’ anemic 8.1 percent PP effectiveness.
Once again the team that scores first will essentially win the game. The Kings are 7-1 when scoring first, while the Devils are 8-2. However, the Kings are 5-1 when trailing first, but the Devils are just 4-4. The Devils will need to correct that if they are to hoist the Cup in two weeks’ time.
NHL.com has a fantastic breakdown of the Kings vs. Devils matchup heading into the final series of the season.
Thanks to Modulok on the forums for posting this link. Eerie similarities between the 1993 Ducks and this year’s Kings.
A new record will be set this year. Whichever team wins the Stanley Cup this year will be the lowest seeded team to ever win it. The previous record was held by the Devils when they won the cup as the fifth seed in 1995.
Breaking news Jamal Mayers re-signs with the Hawks at $600k for a season.
The latest rumors have Zach Parise and Ryan Suter intent on signing together with a new team and determined to wear the same sweater. At least that’s what the Red Wings press is trying to spin.
Minor trade in the NHL today, the Bruins moved Zach Hamill to Washingtion for Chris Bourque. Hamill was once an eighth overall pick back in the 2007 draft, but hasn’t really gotten a full shot at the NHL level. He should get a bit more opportunity in Washington than he did with the Bruins. Chris Bourque absolutely tore up the AHL by leading the league in scoring with 93 points. He’s had a couple of cups of coffee in the big leagues, but probably will be a career AHLer.
Feel good story of the year, undrafted Phoenix prospect, Brendan Shinnimin was named CHL’s player of the year. He was passed over by all 30 NHL teams, as well all of the major junior hockey teams at his bantam draft, but has finally been rewarded for all of his perseverance and hard work.
He’ll follow in the same footsteps as Ryan Ellis, Jordan Eberle, Cody Hodgson, Justin Azevedo, John Tavares, Alex Radulov and Sidney Crosby.
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Kings' Fans welcoming their team back from the Conference Finals, imagine if they won the bloody cup.
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messierforlife
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New Jersey can no longer use the excuse of the Nets as competition. Now that the Devils have moved to Newark and the Nets are soon moving to Brooklyn, it will become increasingly interesting to see if attendance gets a boost during the 2012-13 regular season, not to mention the ripple effect of possible cup title. (Even this finals appearance would normally trigger a ripple effect in attendance in most cities, in the following season, with a new generation of kids (hopefully falling in love with the team. |
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Rollie1967
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go Ma! I think we all have some idea of whats wrong with Phoenix Coyotes. As Ryan said- theyve had quite a few owners and potential owners walk away, the only one who got the boot- was due to him wanting to move the team! (Ballsilie) and the latest deal isnt done yet, and may yet fall thru. Saying someones assumptions/facts are wrong- and then offering no explanation- is a douche move. stick to TSN- they love that crap on their boards. |
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RYENFORCERS
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... Long time Dobber reader from Phoenix here. Love the site and the columnists. However, I need to quickly chime in on this one. Ryan: Your facts, assumptions, and sentiments regarding the Phoenix ownership situation are grossly incorrect and flawed. You, like many others far removed, take a 10000 foot view of the situation and think you can figure it out. I'm guessing you are basing your take on other flawed/biased reporting coming from cities who desperately want a team of their own. (By the way, I hope "insert Canadian city here" gets a team...the more hockey the better, in my opinion.) The situation here is very complex with many, many moving parts and I am not going to spend this space trying to explain the economics of why the Coyotes in Phoenix make good financial sense to all key parties involved in the deal. But I ask you this: Do you really think that intelligent business people who run the NHL, the City of Glendale, and the Jamison ownership group would be working to hammer out a deal if it categorically means that keeping them is a poor decision? Clearly this is not the case. If it was, the Coyotes would have left a long time ago. The NHL and Glendale are familiar with the economics of the situation more than anyone in the Canadian media. Your fantasy hockey takes are well-informed and intelligent. However, your take on the ownership situation in Phoenix is ill-informed, misguided and very amateurish. Did you really imply that Bettman make a relocation decision attendance stats and NBA competition? If the solution to this situation was as as simple as you are making it to be, both the Pens and Blackhawks would have left the league in the early 2000s when their average attendance was near league bottom. I have no problem with people making a case that their city deserves/needs/wants and NHL team. I hope QC/Seattle/KC/Hamilton/etc get one. However, I think it is pathetic when people comment on the Phoenix ownership situation when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. |
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DuklaNation
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... Phoenix has poached several million dollars from other cities including Canadians via the revenue sharing system as well as the 'loans' they received from the league. Joke's on us it seems. |
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Rollie1967
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... @Nate: the Devils will barely be able to afford Parise, let alone Suter. As much as this long playoff run helps them- there are lawsuits/infighting amongst the owner/county and even if they have the capspace- they may not be able to spend money they dont have on hand. We could soon be talking about the Devils like we are the Coyotes now. One downside of the Kings winning it all: this may solidify Bettmans stance that the Yotes HAVE to stay in Phoenix. Lets face it, if Bettman wasnt so opposed to them moving- and most likely to a more established hockey market, they wouldve moved years ago. Bettmans big plan revolves solely around a big tv contract, and for that you need big US markets playing. But hes been trying for that for over a decade- with almost zero progress. The NHL would be much better off financially if they moved Phoenix to a hockey market and fixing the Jersey and Long Island situations. Hamilton/GTA, Seattle,Quebec,Kansas are all legitimate upgrades over the 3 major franchises in trouble (once arenas are constructed). Vegas would be nothing more than Phoenix v2.0- it wont work. |
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tonyld15
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Phoenix Im a transplant to Phoenix, from st Louis. This is a fair weather town and most people are from everywhere else. They thought with people moving here or "snow birds" from cold weather states and Canada, that they would go to hockey games. This town is all about the Suns, they were the only team in town for almost 30 years. They built this "sports complex" in Glendale to be the sports home for football, hockey, and spring training baseball. Football works since its one day a week. Spring training works, since those fans are in town from Chicago and LA. But hockey won't work. For the bulk of the population that would pay to,go to the games. It's a hour home from work. Then another hour to the game, not to mention its 50 plus miles one way. The land to build it in Scottsdale, where it's easy access, was donated, but Glendale tried to be big shots and paid the Money to build it, so they went there. The other thing as a fan. If every season you want to buy tickets, but you know at season end they are moving for three years in a row. Why in the world would you plop down money to buy them. Hockey takes money and a emotional investment, but if they are on the move, why bother. I'm sure this same thing would happen in Canada. Even with new owners, this is a sinking ship, for the sake of the players and the NHL as a whole, it needs to move to a new city. |
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hawkdog
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PHX A side not on the coyotes, Its cheaper for Vancouver fans to fly to Phoenix to watch the Canucks, you can get a 20 dollar ticket plus they give you a beer and a hot dog. |
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jer_33
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... No mention that Chris Bourque will now be with the organization that retired his father's number. |
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Excelsior
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... "Feel good story of the year, undrafted Phoenix prospect, Brendan Shinnimin was named CHL’s player of the year. He was passed over by all 30 NHL teams, as well all of the major junior hockey teams at his bantam draft, but has finally been rewarded for all of his perseverance and hard work." Does he have a shot at the NHL in a year or two? Upside?? |
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donpaulo
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... thanks for the article. As a die hard born in Manhattan Rangers fan I can tell you that the fan base is split. About half want NY to make a free agent splash or a trade, while the other half want to continue the plan that has brought so much success. Count me in the continue the plan, develop the kids which has NOT been a priority for the NYR over the seasons. I think NY bring back Prust and Fedotenko as they are Tortorella guys, perhaps Stralman too although alot hinges on Sauer returning to form. It didn't get much press but NY really missed Sauers strength down low and in the crease. NY was forced to skate a short bench and it wound up costing them the series against the devils. One almost felt sorry for Stu Bickel stapled to the bench. And finally a comment on Columbus. I keep hearing things about how the Blue Jackets are going to build through the draft this year. Haven't they been doing that since their inception ? Columbus needs more veteran leadership who hates to lose and can show the younger players an attitude of winning and hating to lose. I don't think Cbus has done a good job of developing most of their younger players either so draft picks doesn't really look like the right answer for that franchise. That team needs a few Shane Doans, Vinny Prospals, Kevin Bieksas plus Steve Ott and Steve Downie. The team would not roll over that much is for sure. |
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UKflames
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Great read Great write up on the phoenix situation Ryan. Did this council women touch a nerve by any chance If she was on my council I would tell her to shut the hell up. You don't go upsetting potential investors in a loss making company by calling them 'poachers', which business school did she go to?? When I read the piece on Nash I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic when you called him "...an offensive dynamo game breaker"? He is the go to guy in CMB but his best season is 79 points, every other season he is in the 50's or 60's, I wouldn't quite go as far an offensive dynamo. I do concede your point that if he went to NY it would be interesting if he is re-energised by Tort's hard nosed style or it goes against the lazy ass time he has got used to? |
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Nate
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Awesome Article Great read, and nice job particularly on the Phoenix situation. I couldn't agree with you more. As for the Rangers, I don't see Nash being the key to that puzzle. He doesn't give it 100% every night and the Rangers aren't built that way. And while I'm on the topic, i'd even go so far as to say that's one big reason the Rangers lost to the Devils. You can't play a hard nosed balls to the wall physical style every night and not expect to get burnt out, no matter how much energy the coach tells the media you have left. Suter and Parise to the Wings would make them an instant and annual contender. But if the Devils win the cup, who knows, maybe Parise signs there and then convinces Suter to join him? |
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If she was on my council I would tell her to shut the hell up. You don't go upsetting potential investors in a loss making company by calling them 'poachers', which business school did she go to??
