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This is simply pulling defensemen out of the regular 'Rankings' list and adding a few more at the bottom. Ratings are a reflection of a player's trade value in 'rollover' fantasy hockey pools. They reflect a players predicted points, historical points, injury risk, team "reputation/potential powerhouse" value, powerplay time, and long-term potential. Basically, if you are in a keeper league, this is my opinion based on my statistical model of a player's 'trade value'. Naturally, individual trades would depend on the direction you are taking with your team at the present.
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Dobber
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... Isle - Faulk's upside lies in his two-way game. This is points. Chara's 50-point days are done, I think. So his upside is limited (not looking at PIM) ipguy - remember Ovechkin, and don't discount the hype - they hype these superstars for a reason. Doughty has upside, Kings for now are just defensive hockey - Gudbranson has no offensive upside |
dubroe
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Moving forward... I'm in a keeper pool. Who do you think will end up with more points next year? Wideman, Jack Johnson or Josi? |
jpguy13
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Doughty still #10? Why is Doughty still #10? Do you know something about him that we don't? He underperforms constantly and is on the cusp of losing the #1 offensive d-man job to Voynov in LA. So, why so high? |
Big Ben
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... Where is Tyson Barrie? Did you forget him or he's really not in your top100 d-men? |
aleco83
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... I'm glad Dillon is now on the rankings. If points weren't so heavily weighted this guy would be Calder material without a doubt. The game against the Oils where he brokeaway short handed and got robbed by a sprawling Duby really showed his awesome speed for such a big guy. Oh he also had 11 hits the other night, like holy **** and he fights! I would trade for him right now because he'll be a top 20 guy if he keeps this up. |
Isle B.
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... Chara and Faulk should each be about 30-35 places higher. Chara ought to at least be higher than Kubina and Rundblad! And Faulk ought to at least be higher than McBain, his own teammate! All one needs to do is watch about one period of a Canes game to see that Faulk is better than McBain in every facet. |
mcarmody
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Hamhuis Crazy that Hamhuis is just making the list now. Shut down guy but he finished 22nd among defencemen last year with 37 points. Even better pace so far this year. |
Carcillo
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Kubina Looks like Kubina actually went up two spots in the last update! That's pretty funny. |
Carcillo
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Pavel Kubina, really?!?!?!? How is Pavel Kubina still ranked as 45th best keeper D-man in February 2013? The guy is out of job currently and is already 35 years old. Playing in his homeland in Czech. Last time he put over 30 points was 3 years ago. That's pretty big oversight. Kubina doesn't belong in this list anymore. |
Spleentastic
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huh Nick Leddy all the way up to 23 kind of surprised me. Interesting that he goes that high but guys like Justin Faulk and Dmitri Kulikov still toil way down on the list. |
CallMeJerry
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... Schultz rocketing up to #9. Personally, I have him at 3. He might be 1 by the end of this season. |
iamddtm
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The "Big" Man Hummm... #28 with a 36 ranking? He should have a ranking with twice your value! I personally would keep him before Doughty and all followers. He has had 50+ points in 3 of the last 5 seasons. I am trying to figure out, the criteria (categories) that knock him down. At age 35 I will keep him for at least another 3 years... And win my pool! ZDENO CHARA |
Dobber
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... I predicted 16 points for Bergeron in the guide. Lots of injury and healthy scratches on the way. I'm not very high on him at all. |
CallMeJerry
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... Right now Schultz is at #78. With the signing in Edmonton, where is he at the next update? I'm going to guess around 30. |
Dobber
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... Faulk - I like him, but don't think he'll ever be a 50-point dman. He's also on a terrible team. The difference between he and a Top 70 guy is miniscule, I consider them all about equal (anything within 5 rating points is 'equal' to me). But yeah, I'm not happy with my dman rankings once we slip out of the Top 40 or so. I'm not sure how to fix that without revamping the entire formula and all the rankings. It's for leagues that don't differentiate by position, so a Faulk wouldn't even be considered unless 450 players are already owned. |
Ron Burgundy
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What the Faulk? Hee hee hee - couldn't resist that title. But seriously Dobber - no love here, but you've got him in the midseason guide as scoring 24 points in the 2nd half (which I think might be a bit high, but just a bit). In any case I see a big chunk of guys in your top 100 that won't do that and/or that aren't already playing 23 minutes a night as a 19-year old. Faulk it, you should add him! |
Wayne
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Kulikov 62???? Ratings were done before the season started but come on. Loved the cage match you wrote Kulikov vs Myers.....when does this get updated? |
Owen Parker
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Just can't make up my mind... In a keeper league. I ended up with 4 great D-men and can keep only two. Who would you keep from T. Enstrom, Wpg E. Karlsson, Ott K. Yandle, Pho I'm thinking Yandle and Karlsson. But Enstrom is an auto 50+. |
Fred
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B.Smith Hey Dobber, where would you rank B.Smith in this list? He's #6 on your d-men prospect list, but he's not on this list... thanks |
cc
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Month to month Hey Dobber, Any way to add a column that shows their last month rank and up or down +/- like on the player page? I find that really helps in noticing movement. |
Dobber
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... Hamonic - ranked 104 last month. Moving up Jake - yes, those are the three to keep, touch cuts though |
Jake B.
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Who to keep? Dobber, if I were to use your d-man ranking to decide now which defencemen I should keep next year (I get to keep 3 of the six and I get a point for a goal and a point for an assist) I would keep Yandle, Doughty and Carlson (Wsh) and I would drop Shattenkirk, Dennis Wideman and James McBain. Is that what you think I be prepared to do? |
Rad64
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Hamonic No love, Dobbs? Can't believe he didn't make the list. Top pairing with Streit next year should be worth something, don't you think? |
Dobber
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... Ben - playoffs, roll back Edler by nine points to get non-playoff ranking. This last month was also done pre-injury don't forget, you posted your comment after the injury, but my rankings went up prior to the injury. Carcillo - that was a mistake I just caught today, thanks Trevor - Gustafsson is all upside, and not so much "certainty". So on one hand his value is way up and on the other it gets dragged way down. Kevin - Corvo should have been adjusted better last month. That oversight was caught this month and fixed. |
Ben Greenhouse
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Edler vs Pitkanen/Franson Dobber, why is Edler almost twice Pitkanen's value, but in the midseason guide you have Pitkanen with only 2 points less 3YP, and a 10 pt. higher upside? Not disputing relative order, but I don't understand the magnitude of the difference. Same with Franson, who has a higher 3YP and Upside than Edler. Why is Edler so much higher? Playoff value alone? |
Trevor
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... Hey Dobber, just saw that Erik Gustafsson is ranked in the middle of guys like Stralman (6  Ekman-Larsson (69), Kris Russel (72) Erik Gustafsson (73) Bogosian (74)... Would you say he's of a similar upside as that company? And is he that close to being NHL ready? As always, I enjoy the rankings.  |
Kevin Coghlan
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JoeCo Probably just an oversight, but shouldn't Joe Corvo be somewhere in the top 100? He has 8 goals and 27pts in 51GP. He also gets a decent amount of PP time. |
Dobber
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... Dukla - Martin coming back to earth now, slowly... Pengwin - oh yes, I know that would be helpful and I knew that when I launched the site. But I won't be giving away my formula variables now would I? derek - OVERSIGHT! And a damn big one. MacDonald added in now. Dave - a Robidas fan? Gonchar is in all of my leagues. Robidas is only owned in two of the five. That should say it all about how he is valued in several pool formats, as well as the power of a "name" player and a history of production. |
derek
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McDonald Where is Mcdonald from the Islanders at? Does he have the potential to climb into the top 100? Does he have any upside when Streit comes back? |
Pengwin7
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Itemized Summations Dobber - I am able to follow your thought process for your rankings... but think it would be clearer if you created two columns of rankings: Current Year Value (CYV) + Future Year Value (FYV). Assuming a 50%/50% value split of the two, I could understand Buff having a CYV=60 + FYV=36. I could understand Mike Green having a CYV=40 and a FYV=56. 96 & 96. Sure, no problem. . But it does create a lot of confusion because some fantasy geeks associate value with just this year, some with future years, and some with a mix. Teams that are rebuilding need a value that is for next year & beyond. There is no way that I would rank Buff's FYV above Green/Doughty/Keith/Letang. This is definitely worth clarifying & differentiating, IMO. |
statpadr
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never thought I would see it.... Buffy ahead of Green...tops of the dmen. Crazy crazy season. |
Rossi
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Fowler vs. Vlasic Pickles ahead of Fowler - I think this needs to be adjusted. Vlasic shouldn't even be on this list IMO. |
Greg Laxdal
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... Just an FYI - You have Josh Gorges in there twice. Not sure he is worth mentioning more than once..... LOL |
mike hess
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Gilbert Dobber since you dumped Gilbert; I would assume a lower ranking than 35...His trade value has been zero so what's up Guru???? |
Dobber
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... Michael - you are correct, absolutely. But also keep in mind that Yandle holds little playoff value. But this update makes some of those changes. Ever-evolving this list... Ed - Rozsival has been sitting in that 110-130 range for quite some time. |
Michael
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... Edler 30...Yandle 25....Paul Martin 10....guy is a career 35 point defenseman, rarely shoots the pucks which significantly limits his offensive production, and particularly from a future projection standpoint will consistently play behind both Goligoski and Letang especially in terms of PP time...guy needs to get a big drop downward particularly with guys like Yandle ranked at 25 and Edler ranked at 30 |
Ed
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Confirming players are in your list I haven't seen Rozsidal in two (maybe three ) years in your list. Plus I haven't seen Alzner in your list yet. Keep up the good work Dobber. |
mike hess
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Thoughts for next time Dobber: A few inputs for the next list.... Keith - Not as much dept in Chi, will he drop a bit in output Markov - injury included, don't know when he will be back Kaberle - Does the Wilson controversy have an impact on how is played or how he plays? Goligoski - Expect Letang to beat him out based on Angus's write up? Gonchar - doesn't seem to get reduced enough for his age and injuries Johnson - More STL will be stepping up for scoring, does it impact him Martin - Too high given Letang's PP QB role Enstom - how bad does he get hurt by the youth movement and having to cover D more Always like your output, great to mull the reasons while looking at the stats... |
BTM
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... what is with Dobb's continual hatred for Ehrhoff? I don't get it. 44 and 42 points the last 2 years, he was their best plus d-man last season, and yet he's still ranked below guys like Cam Barker and Ian White? crazy |
mike hess
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DMen Dobber...nice list...I especially like the new prospects moving up on the list. Rather than take a 25 point Dman I can go for it and try to pick a young stud who is on the rise. Your focus on prospects and development should be right on the mark for many of these. I expect you will get lots of grief for this as many still have the old steady eddies on their teams, me I have Doughty and Myers already...  |
steve-o
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Mylers SoLo Myers seems too low for the kind of season he just put up. He's below OEL, and OEL hasn't even played a game in the NHL! |
Ed
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... Has the September 2010 number been posted for the Top 100 Dmen? - The top 300 Forwards have been. |
Puckhead
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Chara in a free fall??? Why does Chara continue to fall in the rankings? Last year wasn't his best, but he was injured...is he not poised to become a big time D man once again? |
mike hess
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Statistic bias In looking at the rankings it appears that up and comers have a larger increase in ranking than the tried and true from last year? I don't know the formula just a guess looking at the change from July to August; where not that many changes to team location by the top 100..just looks like a bias. thanks |
Ethan Glazener
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Jovo? Why no Jovo? I know he is aging, but he is only 2 weeks older than Dan Boyle. Jovo is also injury prone, but his fantasy relevance is still higher than a lot of the guys further down the list. |
Dobber
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... I don't have as high regard for Cumiskey as many people. I add 5 to the ratings because otherwise the dmen at the bottom of this list would have a negative value, which doesn't look nice. Just aesthetics. |
David Walker
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Ratings +5.0 over Top 300 Why is the rating on your top defensemen 5.0 higher than on the Top 300 for the same player? For example Duncan Keith is 80.7 on here, yet 75.7 on Top 300? |
Dale McCarthy
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Kyle Cumiskey What are your thoughts on Kyle Cumiskey? I think he should be on this list. |
Renegade
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DAL D Dobber, since you have no Dallas Dmen in your top 100... do you feel that Niskanen will not rebound from his bad season? I obtained him at a low cost and figured he would rebound like Tom Gilbert. Bad years.. just need more ice time and less competition. |
Gilles Courchesne
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Why P.K. Subban not in the top 100 Why P.K. Subban not in the top 100 and Sanguinetti and Kindl are. IMO Subban pass ahead Sanguinetti in is developpement. Cat-Eye. |
Mason Black
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... Is it just me or is Jay Bouwmeester the most overrated (fantasy) defenceman around? I've held this guy for 4 years now and I cringe every time I look at the box scores! How is he a top 10 Fantasy D??? |
Alain Brosseau
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Byfuglien Hey Dusty is no longer D eligible on yahoo. I think that boat has sailed. |
Chris Cruz
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... is this list only for this season? Why is Andrei Markov ranked 34? Behind Visnovsky? Are you kidding? If this is just for this year, then fine, I buy that with the injury, but if this is a list of the top defenseman to own in a keeper, he should be much higher....you have Scott Niedermayer at 22 for crying out loud....just looking for justification. |
dean little
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... Im glad you hyped up Goligoski so much, really made me go out and trade for a draft pick so i could scoop him up in my keeper draft, his start has been money, and now he is the #2 ranked dman, love it! |
Dobber
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... You commented on October 30, when the list was 29 days old. In that time, we had no idea how Quincey would do. |
lanky522
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... Tim Purcell: Does Dobber have a hate on for Sheldon Souray? I'd probably take all of those guys over souray. in a points leauge (as the rankings are based on), souray isn't really that valuable; especially considering the fact that he's played what... 2 full NHL seasons? Obviously if your league counts goals, he gets a boost in value, but the above ratings don't use that breakdown... strictly points, souray is and injury prone, 40-50 point guy. All those guys you mentioned are at least as good, and most of them are younger or more durable (arguments could possibly be made against this). Hence the higher rating. |
Tim Purcell
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Does Dobber have a hate on for Sheldon Souray? I really don't understand how Souray end's up at the 40th best fantasy D-man. Is the likes of Jovanovski, McCabe, Zidlicky, and Pitkanen really a better fantasy option? I dont think so. |
dstarsboy
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Weber? I thought Coburn would blow up last season because he was basically loaded with ice time but he didn't. That when it was just him and Timmonen. Now that Pronger's in the picture, I dunno. I think he's still a good grab for the future. Why is Weber ranked so low? |
Dean Youngblood
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Coburn over Doughty Would anyone take Coburn over doughty? What can be expected for Coburn next season as someone was forced to drop him in our league? Projections anyone? |
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