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The Top 215 Keeper League Fantasy Hockey Prospects - April edition



 

Here is the list of Top 215 prospects to own in your deep fantasy pool. This is not a reflection of a player’s actual upside in the NHL, but more of an indicator of his value in pools. It takes into account how many years away from the NHL a player is, as well as his upside. A potential 70-point player who is two years away is more valuable than a potential 80-point player who is four years away. Hockey pools with 300 or more players drafted should have most of the top 50 on the below list on one of the teams. Pools that are even deeper than that, may find some use in the rest of this list. Pools with 250 players may find use in only the top 20 or 30.As with the Fantasy Player list – these players are evaluated only for their offensive potential, and not for their penalty minutes, plus/minus or defense, etc. Goalies are not included in this list either.

 

My Prospect Ratings are NOT the same as my Fantasy Ratings, although Fantasy Ratings are taken into account. The term 'prospect' is simply my opinion, and I followed no rules to say whether or not the player is actually a prospect other than age (under 27), and the player must belong to an NHL team.

Updated the 10th, of every month.

Key
o = offensive
t = two-way
p = power forward
d = defenseman
os = offensive (small player)

 

 


 

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Apr 10 Prospect Team type Prospect Rating Mar 10 Feb 10
1 Jonathan Drouin TB o 94.3 1 1
2 Evgeny Kuznetsov WAS o 90.0 4 12
3 Ryan Strome NYI o 89.0 5 4
4 Tyler Toffoli LA o 85.9 6 6
5 Teuvo Teräväinen  CHI o 82.7 10 8
6 Nikita Kucherov TB o 82.1 8 7
7 Tomas Tatar DET o 77.7 13 13
8 Elias Lindholm CAR t 77.3 12 10
9 Mikhail Grigorenko BUF o 74.1 17 17
10 Max Domi PHO p 73.6 21 21
11 Filip Forsberg NSH o 73.5 16 15
12 Ryan Spooner BOS o 72.9 18 18
13 Alexander Wennberg CBJ o 72.6 34 34
14 Bo Horvat VAN t 71.6 22 22
15 Sven Bärtschi CGY o 70.9 15 14
16 Tomas Jurco DET o 70.7 26 27
17 Dmitrij Jaskin STL o 70.0 29 30
18 Anthony Mantha DET o 69.9 30 31
19 Curtis Lazar OTT t 69.7 35 35
20 Ty Rattie STL o 68.8 24 25
21 Anders Lee NYI o 68.8 71 97
22 Jason Zucker MIN o 68.7 23 24
23 John Gaudreau CGY os 68.4 37 38
24 Jeremy Morin CHI o 68.1 43 43
25 Emerson Etem ANA o 67.9 25 26
26 Brett Connolly TB o 67.4 20 20
27 Peter Holland TOR t 67.3 36 36
28 Beau Bennett PIT o 66.7 33 33
29 Brandon Pirri FLA o 66.5 31 28
30 J.T. Miller NYR p 65.6 41 41
31 Mark Stone OTT o 65.3 44 44
32 Tanner Pearson LA o 64.6 62 62
33 Jean-Gabriel Pageau OTT os 64.5 32 32
34 Emile Poirier CGY o 64.0 40 40
35 Scott Laughton PHI o 63.5 47 47
36 Linden Vey LA o 62.5 38 37
37 Rickard Rakell ANA t 62.3 45 53
38 Nicklas Jensen VAN p 61.9 46 46
39 Vincent Trocheck FLA o 61.6 61 60
40 Reid Boucher NJ o 61.6 52 51
41 Devante Smith-Pelly ANA p 61.6 48 45
42 Morgan Klimchuk CGY t 61.2 85 84
43 Hunter Shinkaruk VAN o 61.1 51 50
44 Henrik Samuelsson PHO t 60.9 49 48
45 Vladislav Namestnikov TB o 59.8 74 74
46 Kerby Rychel CBJ p 59.7 68 66
47 Johan Larsson BUF o 59.7 50 49
48 Chris Brown WAS p 59.3 54 68
49 Erik Haula MIN o 59.0 57 56
50 Max Reinhart CGY o 58.4 58 57
51 Stephane Da Costa OTT o 58.2 60 58
52 Jordan Schroeder VAN o 58.1 56 54
53 Nicolas Petan WPG os 57.9 64 61
54 Sebastian Collberg NYI o 57.8 63 67
55 Richard Panik TB o 57.4 65 64
56 Danny Kristo NYR o 57.4 53 52
57 Drew Shore FLA o 57.3 67 65
58 Andre Burakovsky WAS o 56.8 105 104
59 Calle Järnkrok NSH o 56.8 70 70
60 Riley Sheahan DET p 56.5 93 112
61 Markus Granlund CGY o 56.3 80 79
62 Matej Stransky DAL o 56.0 73 73
63 Adam Lowry WPG o 55.8 102 101
64 Brett Ritchie DAL p 55.4 78 77
65 Christian Thomas MTL os 55.3 79 78
66 Quinton Howden FLA p 55.3 75 75
67 Jesper Fast NYR o 54.9 83 82
68 Teemu Pulkkinen DET o 54.6 76 76
69 Phillip Danault CHI t 54.6 72 72
70 Devin Shore DAL t 54.5 96 96
71 Artturi Lehkonen MTL o 54.5 82 81
72 Taylor Beck NSH p 54.5 88 87
73 Carter Ashton TOR p 53.7 84 83
74 Andy Miele PHO os 53.1 99 98
75 Colton Sceviour DAL o 53.0 91 91
76 Michael Sgarbossa COL os 53.0 77 71
77 Alexander Khokhlachev BOS o 52.9 89 88
78 Stanislav Galiev WAS o 52.8 90 89
79 Michael Bournival MTL t 52.4 92 93
80 Austin Watson NSH p 52.3 81 80
81 Kyle Rau FLA os 52.3 94 90
82 Josh Leivo TOR p 52.1 95 94
83 Mark Arcobello EDM os 52.0 59 55
84 Brendan Gaunce VAN o 51.5 119 119
85 Joel Armia BUF o 51.4 98 92
86 Freddie Hamilton SJ o 51.2 103 102
87 Colton Sissons NSH t 51.1 118 136
88 Zack Phillips MIN o 51.0 69 69
89 Matt Puempel OTT o 50.7 108 107
90 Anthony Duclair NYR o 50.5 129 128
91 Shane Prince OTT o 50.5 100 99
92 Stefan Matteau NJ o 50.4 101 100
93 JT Brown TB o 50.2 110 109
94 Kevin Hayes CHI p 50.1 111 110
95 Luke Adam BUF p 49.8 104 103
96 Jacob De La Rose MTL t 49.7 261 257
97 Kevin Roy ANA o 49.5 107 106
98 Hudson Fasching BUF p 49.4 124 254
99 Anton Lander EDM o 49.2 109 108
100 Greg Carey PHO o 49.2 NR NR
101 Radek Faksa DAL o 49.1 97 95
102 Chris Tierney SJ t 49.1 205 203
103 Oliver Bjorkstrand CBJ o 49.0 146 146
104 Rocco Grimaldi FLA os 49.0 122 123
105 Marek Hrivik NYR o 49.0 106 105
106 Greg McKegg TOR o 48.4 113 113
107 Mattias Tedenby NJ o 48.4 115 115
108 Scott Kosmachuk WPG t 48.3 116 116
109 Jason Akeson PHI o 48.3 117 117
110 Sergei Tolchinsky CAR os 48.0 127 127
111 Nicolas Kerdiles ANA t 47.9 131 159
112 Connor Brown TOR o 47.5 133 132
113 Petr Straka PHI o 47.5 159 157
114 Jared Knight BOS o 47.3 120 120
115 Charles Hudon MTL o 46.9 123 124
116 Jason Dickinson DAL t 46.8 137 137
117 Riley Barber WAS t 46.8 153 151
118 Jordan Caron BOS p 46.8 125 125
119 Jimmy Hayes FLA p 46.7 128 122
120 J.T. Compher BUF t 46.6 142 142
121 Valentin Zykov LA o 46.5 202 200
122 Joey Hishon COL t 46.5 162 161
123 Johan Sundstrom NYI o 46.5 163 162
124 Michael Chaput CBJ o 46.5 164 163
125 Bill Arnold CGY t 46.5 221 217
126 Ivan Telegin WPG o 46.4 112 111
127 Sven Andrighetto MTL os 46.0 134 133
128 Anton Slepyshev EDM o 46.0 144 144
129 Brian Gibbons PIT o 46.0 149 178
130 Andreas Johnson TOR o 45.9 197 195
131 Roman Horak EDM o 45.7 132 130
132 Daniil Tarasov SJ o 45.7 139 139
133 Zach Boychuk CAR o 45.7 140 140
134 William Carrier STL t 45.6 NR NR
135 Mario Lucia MIN o 45.5 130 129
136 Corban Knight CGY p 45.3 177 176
137 Nikolay Prokhorkin LA o 45.3 143 143
138 Ben Hanowski CGY o 45.3 126 126
139 Oscar Lindberg NYR t 45.2 138 138
140 Frederik Gauthier TOR p 45.1 220 216
141 Martin Frk DET o 45.1 141 141
142 Martin Reway MTL o 45.1 145 145
143 Jimmy Vesey NSH o 45.0 178 177
144 Saku Maenalanen NSH o 45.0 147 147
145 Nick Sorensen ANA o 45.0 148 191
146 Dane Fox VAN o 45.0 NR NR
147 Brett Bulmer MIN o 45.0 176 175
148 Louis Leblanc MTL o 44.9 151 149
149 Miikka Salomaki NSH p 44.9 152 150
150 Victor Rask CAR o 44.8 154 152
151 Jacob Josefson NJ t 44.8 155 153
152 Brendan Leipsic NSH os 44.6 156 154
153 Eric O'Dell WPG o 44.6 183 183
154 Matt Fraser BOS p 44.6 157 155
155 Chris Terry CAR o 44.4 160 158
156 Andrew Copp WPG o 44.4 186 185
157 Christopher Clapperton FLA o 44.3 161 160
158 Curtis McKenzie DAL o 44.2 165 422
159 William Karlsson ANA o 44.0 166 164
160 Tobias Rieder PHO o 44.0 200 198
161 Joakim Nordstrom CHI t 44.0 237 232
162 T.J. Tynan CBJ os 44.0 191 189
163 Cole Cassels VAN o 44.0 NR NR
164 Adam Erne TB p 44.0 339 337
165 Laurent Dauphin PHO o 44.0 179 179
166 Landon Ferraro DET o 44.0 172 171
167 Nic Dowd LA o 44.0 256 251
168 Tyler Pitlick EDM o 43.9 175 174
169 Nicholas Baptiste BUF os 43.8 207 288
170 Stefan Noesen ANA o 43.8 192 169
171 Brendan Shinnimin PHO o 43.7 188 187
172 Teemu Hartikainen TOR p 43.6 170 168
173 Connor Hurley BUF t 43.5 171 170
174 Seth Griffith BOS o 43.5 168 166
175 Nick Cousins PHI o 43.5 173 172
176 Anthony Camara BOS t 43.4 209 205
177 Oskar Sundqvist PIT p 43.4 266 262
178 Pontus Åberg  NSH t 43.4 114 114
179 Matt Carey CHI o 43.2 NR NR
180 Marko Dano CBJ o 43.1 136 135
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apr 10 Prospect Team type Prospect Rating Mar 10 Feb 10
1 Cody Ceci OTT d 63.9 3 3
2 Darnell Nurse EDM d 57.5 7 9
3 Eric Gelinas NJ d 54.2 8 7
4 Sami Vatanen ANA d 57.7 9 10
5 Ryan Murphy CAR d 54.7 10 5
6 Nathan Beaulieu MTL d 55.0 11 11
7 Griffin Reinhart NYI d 53.7 12 12
8 Jon Merrill NJ d 52.8 13 15
9 Joe Morrow BOS d 52.6 14 14
10 Brandon Gormley PHO d 57.4 15 16
11 Mark Pysyk BUF d 52.2 16 17
12 Derrick Pouliot PIT d 57.4 17 18
13 Rasmus Ristolainen BUF d 51.2 18 19
14 Calvin de Haan NYI d 51.0 19 20
15 Joshua Morrissey WPG d 52.0 20 21
16 Matt Donovan NYI d 50.1 21 22
17 Adam Clendening CHI d 49.9 22 23
18 Damon Severson NJ d 49.8 23 24
19 Shea Theodore ANA d 50.5 24 31
20 Ryan Pulock NYI d 50.7 25 25
21 Matt Dumba MIN d 50.3 26 27
22 Connor Carrick WAS d 51.4 27 28
23 Slater Koekkoek TB d 50.2 28 29
24 Tyler Wotherspoon CGY d 48.8 29 30
25 Samuel Morin PHI d 48.3 31 33
26 Dmitry Orlov WAS d 48.1 32 34
27 Brayden McNabb LA d 47.6 33 41
28 Connor Murphy PHO d 51.8 34 35
29 Oscar Klefbom EDM d 46.7 35 42
30 Kevin Connauton DAL d 46.0 36 43
31 Stefan Elliott COL d 45.9 37 44
32 Mattias Ekholm NSH d 47.8 38 37
33 Matt Finn TOR d 46.8 39 40
34 David Rundblad CHI d 45.4 40 26
35 Andrej Sustr TB d 42.6 41 45

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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number54 said:

number54
April? Is there not supposed to be an April update for this list? It'd be nice to know how you felt about a bunch of these guys now that the regular season's done...
April 17, 2014
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CallMeJerry said:

CallMeJerry
... Was Hampus Lindholm ever on this list? He wasn't among the most recent graduations list with his contemporaries Trouba & Rielly. What?Why?When?How?!!!
April 12, 2014
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Who Dat - yes
bigbaby - I keep saying he's Top 5 if he was assured of being an NHLer. It got to the point in all of my leagues where I was being generous ranking him where I did - because his value was insanely low. Once he signed, he jumped up. And as Dakkster says he has a strong Rad vibe
April 11, 2014
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Who Dat said:

Who Dat
Rundblad What happened to Rundblad? His potential value disappear with his trade to the Blackhawks?
March 11, 2014
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Dakkster said:

Dakkster
... There has always been and will always been a HUGE red flag next to Kuznetzov's name because he is Russian and has made various statements and career choices that aren't exactly encouraging from a fantasy perspective. That's enough to drag his value down. Dobber's ranking of him has been accurate. To me he has the strongest Radulov 2.0 vibes of anyone.
March 10, 2014
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bigbabybuda said:

bigbabybuda
... Great list as usually Dobber. Only thing is Kuznetsov. You have him at 4 which is great and right inline where I think he should be but the problem is you took way to long to get him there. Everyone who follows prospects at all has known this kid was coming over precisely now, which is exactly to the day he said he would be here for the last 2 years. He should have been moved up months ago so less informed G.M's could have acquired him when it was still possible to get done cheap. Nobody in the world who has held on to him for all this time is going to move him now that he's here for less than a King's ransom. Being a good G.M is about being proactive not reactive!
March 10, 2014
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bletchley said:

bletchley
... Thank for the chuckle on Schwartz boys. Amateur hour is Thursday nights.
March 10, 2014
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RememberRobitaille said:

RememberRobitaille
Curtis McKenzie Dobber, what are your thoughts on McKenzie? A late round pick, but he's ripping up the AHL in his rookie season. Is there much there in the way of offensive upside?

Same question for Dan O'Regan. Nice college numbers and a top 6 role with the U.S. in the WJC.
February 13, 2014
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RememberRobitaille said:

RememberRobitaille
Carey Sasquatch, as stated by Dobber at the top: if he isn't signed by an NHL team then he won't be on the list. The list is only for NHL prospects.
February 13, 2014
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sasquatch said:

sasquatch
Greg Carey? Surely he must feature somewhere on here, you have K Hayes, Gaudreau and Kevin Roy on the list but not Carey... is it becuase he went undrafted? I'd put my house on it that he gets a contract out of college.
January 29, 2014
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bulldogs said:

bulldogs
kevin hayes thanks for the new rating ,, i thinks kevin hayes should be higher then his brother , and what do you think about mikael wikstrand and gustav possler , i know possler is injured but before his injury he was the best player of modo in the SEL, and why corbin knight is so low , he have a great year and i think is not far away from nhl if Calgary goes with a youth movement ,
thanks for reading
January 21, 2014
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mcarmody said:

mcarmody
... Thanks, I've been waiting for this post-WJHC update. Nicklas Jensen appears to be really struggling with the Comets. I also wonder if Dmitrij Jaskin might be overtaking Ty Rattie on the depth chart. I don't follow the Wolves closely, but Jaskin has better numbers, and only Jaskin has been called up this year. With respect to defencemen, I thought Derrick Pouliot looked very poised with the puck at the WJHC, but thanks for keeping my expectations in check.
January 14, 2014
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Moses said:

Moses
... AHabs4

"Here is the list of Top 215 prospects to own in your deep fantasy pool. This is not a reflection of a player’s actual upside in the NHL, but more of an indicator of his value in pools. It takes into account how many years away from the NHL a player is, as well as his upside. A potential 70-point player who is two years away is more valuable than a potential 80-point player who is four years away."
January 08, 2014
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Habs4 said:

Habs4
... I don't understand how Anthony Mantha can be ranked so low… He has 73pts in 32 games in the LHJMQ.
December 12, 2013
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number54 said:

number54
She's a beaut, Dobb! Great list for the month. Can't wait to see how far Boucher, Jenner and Domi can climb this year. Also great to see the graduation of Johansen. I bet you've been grinding your teeth waiting to put that notch in your belt for a while! On the flip side, how amazing is it that Hertl flew off the list in such a hurry?! He went from a "wait until next year" in the early versions of this year's prospect guide to front-runner (in my book) for the Calder.
December 11, 2013
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jff100 said:

jff100
... Thanks for providing these rankings. I think your columns might have gotten mixed up though (no "type" any more?, and an August column that doesn't seem right, e.g. pretty sure you didn't have Monahan ranked 2nd in August).
November 19, 2013
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Dieselboy said:

Dieselboy
... I revere you for including a player like Sergey Tolchinsky in your list, but what are your thoughts on Kevin Roy? Another smaller player with great hands.
October 22, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... For Lindholm, if you use my +/- 5.0 rating points for your comparables, he is not 26th but in fact between 41st and 15th. I'm pretty comfortable with that.
October 11, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Thanks for your notes Jerry. Shore is indeed too high on this list. I do think he's a solid player with potential, but the reason he is a little high for your liking is because he is owned in all three of my keeper leagues and still fairly well regarded - and I think that's a great reflection of the reality of keeper leagues worldwide. I generally don't knee-jerk a player up and down 100 spots in a single month. I tweak them based on the slow decline of hope that they'll reach their potential, or the slow proof that they're going to reach their potential (thus the Lindholm thing, too).
October 11, 2013
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Rollie1967 said:

Rollie1967
Johansen Why has Ryan Johansen not graduated? Over 100 NHL games in his 3rd season, and the only time in the AHL was when the NHL was locked out! Frattin- who is 4 years older- but has bounced back and forth from AHl/NHL and has less NHL games has graduated?
No way should Zac Dalpe (basically traded rather than lose him on waivers) be on this list, especially ahead of Hunter Shinkaruk.
October 11, 2013
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CallMeJerry said:

CallMeJerry
... With all due respect to Dobber:

He's dropping (finally) but Drew Shore is still way too high on this list.

And why is Elias Lindholm so low? The 5th overall pick in one of the best drafts in a decade.
October 10, 2013
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Sherpa said:

Sherpa
Frattin Frattin's listed as being on ANA. Should be LA, no?
September 26, 2013
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pts9889 said:

Daydream Nation
Jaskin? Did I miss something? Why did Jaskin drop 30 spots?
September 11, 2013
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number54 said:

number54
LAK Kids @ Dobber -- Totally forgot about Buddy! Still, Loktionov did get a couple cups of coffee with the Kings. Heck, he even got 39 games in 2011-12 and managed a paltry 7 points, so I wouldn't really call that a lack of opportunity. If you look back on Mollar's time in LA, he got into a LOT more games than Nyquist or Tatar in Detroit, or Pirri in Chicago, yet those guys are sticking around. Same goes for Loktionov; he got 2 decent shots at proving he could fit in with the big boys, and didn't. So call me stubborn, but I don't think it's lack of opportunity that's chasing the prospects out of LA. Funny, it seems convenient that I forgot Buddy in hindsight, since he's the only one of the kids who legitimately never got a shot.
September 11, 2013
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Habs4 said:

Habs4
... How much would you ask for J. Drouin? Choose from the players below and you could add picks:

M. Moulson
M. Pacioretty
L. Couture
C. Kunitz
N. Nederreiter
K. Shattenkirk
S. Voynov
M. Dumba
J. Blum
J. Quick
C. Scnheider
September 09, 2013
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Habs4 said:

Habs4
... Thanks! Where can I find your goalie prospect list?
September 09, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
bletchley This is a measure of the value in points-only keeper leagues. If your league is not that kind of league, then you probably don't have the right perspective. I have a pretty good gauge of the player value environment, but only because I wake up in the morning and study hockey players and stats all day and then go to bed, while most people have real jobs. Eventually, after a few years of doing this full time, some of it sticks. Regarding Etem specifically, I'm not the biggest fan and would probably sit him closer to 20. But I can't deny the chatter in my three keeper leagues. I know where his value sits and that is one of several components used.

Hey, if you find 20 guys you disagree with, then there are 195 guys on this list you agree with. So thank you for the props (and be prepared to eventually turn out to be wrong about at least 12 of the 20).

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September 09, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Habs4 - don't choose based on linemates.
Also - this is a keeper ranking, the article may have been referring to short-term. The article was also written by someone else. Not me.

number - they also lost Holloway, and they also had to ship out Loktionov, never giving him a chance.



September 09, 2013
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Habs4 said:

Habs4
J.Blum J. Blum is still listed as a UFA... What do you think of him now that we know is playing for MIN?
September 07, 2013
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Habs4 said:

Habs4
MacKinnon or Drouin? Why the only articles I could find on this website comparing MacKinnon and Drouin put Drouin no.1 and here MacKinnon is first?

I have Stamkos in my team, would it be a good idea to take Drouin since they will probably play on the same line?

Thoughts?
September 07, 2013
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number54 said:

number54
Oi Vey... I'm not going to argue about Vey's chances of making the team; LA's the closest thing to prospect limbo out there. Still, I'll say in the same breath that they have a good track record with developing prospects of late; the only one that "left" if memory serves me, was Oscar Moller. Meanwhile, they've made quality NHLers out of Muzzin, Voynov and Toffoli. My point is, when it comes to prospects, sometimes patience really does pay off. Consider the Wings' system for developing prospects -- they took their time with Tatar & Nyquist. Now those guys are figuring to be pretty decent regulars in the NHL. Other guys like Frk, or Jurco would be completely useless if they weren't in a sound minor league system, but make quality owns as long-term projects in the right developmental situation. I think LA is trying to institute that kind of culture; have players pay their dues in the minors and show that they've got the mojo to make the leap to the NHL. If they're not going to put in all the work and then some as minor leaguers, I'd just as soon see them leave.
September 06, 2013
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number54 said:

number54
Chill Out, Bletchly Potential's not the only thing that goes into ranking a prospect; part of each ranking is "NHL readiness". If you go through the 3 players you listed, they're ranked in the order of the likelihood (in Dobber's opinion) that they'll play significant NHL minutes immediately. There are tons of guys with upside, but very few of them get the crucial ingredient: opportunity. Now, does Schwartz have more upside than Etem or Shore? Possibly, or even probably (if we take your word for it). But, what he doesn't have is a similar opportunity to play top-line or 2nd line minutes, like Shore & Etem. For instance, check where Dobber has Max Domi or Bo Horvat relative to your boy Jaden; neither of those guys is likely to outproduce Schwartz, but they're more likely to have a full-time roster spot on their respective teams. Now, when you get an idea of how much "NHL readiness" Dobber equates with how much "potential", you're ready to have a decent argument about rankings.
September 06, 2013
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bletchley said:

bletchley
... So this is the order of what the average person thinks or what you think?
August 24, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
Linden Vey On the Kings...I have a lot of trouble valuing a Kings' prospect. They chase them all to Europe, don't let them play. Thank goodness for Pearson and Toffoli forcing the matter. But Vey is stuck in the wrong organization. A trade will shoot him right up this list.

Gallagher - probably just an oversight. I wouldn't worry myself about it
August 21, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Thanks for the feedback bletchley - if I ever create a prospects list that is not related to fantasy, I'll give you a call. But in Fantasy Hockey, "perceived" value and upside is as important as "actual" skill. So the name "Etem" carries a big stick, regardless of your opinion of his skill set - many fantasy owners would pay quite a bit to acquire him. You may have to hire me to make a credible fantasy owner out of you!

And I'm sure Mr. Shore's mom will be happy you weighed in with that opinion.

Schwartz is pretty much tied for 19th, as I consider any with a rating +/-5 to be equal. I don't consider that low. Come on.
August 21, 2013
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bletchley said:

bletchley
... YOu might have to hire me to make a creditable prospect list.

Etem 12th? He's horrid. no vision, he'll be your next Cogliano.

Shore is a bum too.

Schwartz that low?

Come on.
August 15, 2013 | url
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number54 said:

number54
Linden Vey I'm going to have to agree with Shovelguy about Vey's ranking. If I'm picking for raw upside (which is pretty much the only thing I pick for), I'd have Vey somewhere in the top-50, probably just behind a guy like Pirri. Odds are he won't get any more than a shot of espresso (nevermind a full cup of coffee) this year, but he has an exceptional nose for the net, great first few steps, and a good release on his shot. His ability to play a simple but effective offensive game I think will translate really well to the NHL, and I'll want to be on board that train when it does. He reminds of guys like Gallagher and Palmieri.
August 10, 2013
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mikelong11 said:

mikelong11
Gallagher Why is Gallagher still on this list? Not sure how he differs from guys like Huberdeau, Saad and Galchenyuk who are graduated.
August 10, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Icebreaker - Girgensons was ranked 184, just off the list, but with a rating that is right there in that 150th to 190th range. As I say, a rating within 5 points up or down is how you should treat these prospects. That said, don't overrate his upside.
August 10, 2013
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IceBreaker said:

IceBreaker
Zemgus Girgensons High pick one year ago, great finish to his rookie year in the AHL, standout at development camp: Girgensons belongs on this list somewhere.
August 02, 2013
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shanny_drw said:

shanny_drw
Barkov Sasha Barkov's profile is Seth Jones' profile...
July 15, 2013
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... shovelguy - Muzzin will be lucky to get 25 points this year. I like him, but lost faith when he went his last 30 games with just five points. I am not sure I would recommend him at all in a keeper league. I may be wrong, which is why he appears in the Top 35 at all.
July 14, 2013
Votes: +0

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... This is my favorite update of the year.
July 12, 2013
Votes: +0

shovelguy said:

shovelguy
... Just noticed...

Muzzin at 34th for D????? Wow. When a player like him proves himself at the NHL level, I'll take that over hopes and rainbows like most of players ranked ahead of him, especially at the positiion he plays.
July 12, 2013
Votes: +3

shovelguy said:

shovelguy
... INHO, Horvat should be 111th in this ranking. He has very limited offensive potential, though I won't knock his 2 way game. Look up Scott Reynolds comparables and you'll see what I mean. Lazar at 35 is a huge stretch and Vey is a bargain at his spot.
July 12, 2013
Votes: +0

Cflintoff said:

Cflintoff
Lazar is on Ottawa, not Edmonton At least in the NHL, his junior team is the Edmonton Oil Kings.
July 11, 2013
Votes: +0

hawkdog said:

hawkdog
... I see your point with Calgary rebuilding but Canucks are in a semi re build themselves.

i wouldn't be surprised to see him on the Canucks roster in 2 years, with the new cap they are looking for youth. Schroeder was drafted during their peak in 2009 and it took him 3 years to get some ice time.

thanks for the response! it will be interesting to see what happens.
July 11, 2013
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Noma - I disagree. I would much rather own TT

hawkdog - Shinkaruk went to a tough team to crack in the near future. Meanwhile Poirier should make the big club within a couple of years. Huge difference in fantasy.
July 11, 2013
Votes: +1

Noma said:

Noma
Finns I'd alter the valuations of Finns a bit. I'd say that after the "big two" Barkov and Granlund, Armia should definitely be the next Finn on the ranks, clearly before Teräväinen. I'd say that their upsides aren't very far from each other and Armia is definitely readier for the NHL and his ETA is much sooner.
July 11, 2013
Votes: +0

hawkdog said:

hawkdog
Shinkaruk so Rossy has him ranked 9th of 60 in your prospects report top 60 of 2013 and he has Poirier ranked 48 of 60 but you have them in reverse order here.

4horse makes a good point about his slide, but do we go by this list or the dobber prospect expert list?

Its a fairly significant difference
July 10, 2013
Votes: +1

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
... Finally some prospects to get excited about again!!

Congrats for not ignoring the Hunter Shinkaruk slide as so many poolies seem to be!
July 10, 2013
Votes: +0

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Ahh.... My original comment was made when he was sitting at 116. I agree with where you have him now.
May 13, 2013
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... I didn't bump him up 75 spots, I bumped him up three spots. Looks like you read last month's rankings before I got this month's up.
May 13, 2013
Votes: +0

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Jaskin hahahaha....says the guy who just bumped him up 75 spots smilies/wink.gif Nice one Dobbs. He's where he belongs now!
May 13, 2013
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... 4horsemen - I like where I have Jaskin. I also own Jaskin in a league, so not missing any boats

Achilles - it's my call. I have to be convinced that he won't play in the AHL or sit in the press box. Brunner was in the press box on March 24

MC83 - he had slipped to 36th, but is back up there this month.
May 13, 2013
Votes: +0

MC83 said:

MC83
Stefan Elliott What happened to Stefan Elliott?
April 11, 2013
Votes: +6

Achilles said:

Achilles
What does a player have to do to "graduate"? Just wondering how you determine when a player graduates. Brunner has played all year, yet he's on the list.
April 10, 2013
Votes: +1

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
... With the recent grads that's one of the weakest lists I've seen in years....ughhh

Still missing the boat on Jaskin Dobbs smilies/wink.gif
April 09, 2013
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... mynameistickle - Drop them. One is showing little offensive upside, the other gets hurt all the time. Postma is ready now. He could get 40 points next year. Or not. But at least you'll know what you have relatively quickly. Gormley will be sitting in your reserve/bench for the next two or three years. Trouba moves up with his signing, but otherwise he could have stayed in college and it would mean another three years of waiting. Wait-time is very key in fantasy hockey.


deantime - Sproul is ranked well off this list. If you didn't see Smith full-time until he was 23, how long do you think you'll be waiting on 19-year-old Sproul? It's Detroit!

Auzy - Wiercioch has been rising steadily for sure.
April 09, 2013
Votes: +1

mynameistickle said:

mynameistickle
LeBlanc and Josefson Whats the deal with these two former 1st round selections. They're on a steady decline in your rankings and im honestly concerned for their future and im considering dropping them outright in my dynasty league. I know im probably best suited to try to trade them away for picks at the prospect draft this summer, but they're both really large thorns in my side at this time. Any additional info on them would be gladly welcome.
March 18, 2013
Votes: -2

mynameistickle said:

mynameistickle
... Can you explain to me why Postma is above Trouba and Gormley? Is he really that talented? I just dropped him in my dynasty league in favor of Arturs Kulda.
March 18, 2013
Votes: +1

deantime419 said:

deantime419
Sproul??? Might be a bit of a boom/bust candidate but it is a crime not to have Ryan Sproul on here.
March 12, 2013
Votes: +3

Auzy11 said:

Auzy11
... Patrick Weircoch is very underrated and with Karlsons injury he just gained 10 mins a game and PP time
February 16, 2013
Votes: +1

number54 said:

number54
Anton Zlobin? I know he's sort of under the radar, but he's been hanging around in the QMJHL, performing really well for the Foreurs for the 3rd straight year. Also, I'm still a bit baffled that some scouts have labeled him a bad skater. I've watched a whole bunch of his highlights and if anything, I'm impressed at how well he handles the puck in traffic and keeps his feet moving. Meanwhile, it's no secret that the Pens REALLY want a legit top 6 winger to replace the revolving door to Sid's left (Malkin, Neal, Kennedy, Cooke, Boychuk). Come 2013-14, I think Zlobin and Bennett duke it out.

Neal Malkin Kunitz
???? Crosby Dupuis
February 14, 2013
Votes: -1

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Reid Boucher finally gets some respect! You simply can not ignore what this kid has done so far this year (leading goal scorer in the entire CHL), extremely underrated and on an organization lacking forward prospects. 49 goals in 54 games played!! Some said he may have been riding Galy's coat tails well that simply isn't the case as you can clearly see from his post-Galy stats (9 goals in 6 Feb games).
February 11, 2013
Votes: +0

number54 said:

number54
Wow, Galchenyuk Graduated? Don't get me wrong, I think Chuckie's going to be a great player for the Habs, but it might be a bit too soon to graduate him from the prospect list. In an organization notorious for sending their prospects back to the farm after solid campaigns, I still don't think it's set in stone that he'll stick with the big club all year. I could easily see him ending up in the AHL if he goes cold for a stretch. Casting my doubts aside, I really hope you're right about him, because he's got the potential to be the Habs' top scorer a few years down the road. Also, if Leblanc,
February 11, 2013
Votes: +0

Axeman33 said:

Axeman33
... Given his current NHL situation and playing, I am going to assume that Cory Conacher is going to jump up this board from his current #65 ranking.
February 06, 2013
Votes: +0

Axeman33 said:

Axeman33
... Given his current NHL situation and playing, I am going to assume that Cory Conacher is going to jump up this board from his current #65 ranking.
February 06, 2013
Votes: +0

ddp said:

ddp
Gallagher Hey Dobs, why is Gallagher ranked #95 on this list? I'm not saying he belongs elsewhere, i'm just wanting to know what to expect from him. I thought he led the team or league in scoring out west and was excited for big things from him one day on the habs.
January 18, 2013
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... 177 is Hrivik. D'oh!
January 13, 2013
Votes: +0

smack said:

smack
Who's 177? Is he the mystery prospect of the month? smilies/smiley.gif
January 12, 2013
Votes: +0

sanstanya said:

sanstanya
Kuznetsov @ Dakkster - totally agree with your assessment but I would still take the higher risk elite prospect over the lower risk 2nd tier prospect most of the time in my keepers. Maybe not if my team was fully broken and requiring a complete rebuild - then you need whatever has the most value in your league to flip and speed up the build. But in my main leagues where I know I am competitive year to year I'm not concerned with lower risk, lower upside if there is high-end upside available. Swinging for the fences all the way.
January 10, 2013
Votes: +1

Dakkster said:

Dakkster
... Sorry, but there's just too much risk with Kuznetzov. He's already a golden boy in Russia and his wife likes it there. He gets piles of money that puts the NHL entry level contract to shame. He will stay in Russia until at least 2014. Don't be surprised if he signs a gargantuan contract after that.
December 20, 2012
Votes: +2

number54 said:

number54
Somebody's gotta stick up for Kuznetsov... He's rated as a 70.0 on your list, and that's just too low for a guy with his upside. I'll admit that he's high risk, but he's 10th in KHL scoring, and he's been improving every year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but IMO upside trumps certainty when picking prospects; you can easily replace 'em if they don't pan out. Basically, my argument is that I would gamble on Kuzya's upside before I ever considered a Colborne, Caron, Bowman, or Dalpe (relatively higher certainty, but lower upside). In keeper pools, every prospect is low-risk (you get yearly draft picks for FREE), so you might as well pick the ones with the most potential for high reward.
December 19, 2012
Votes: +1

Reddawg said:

Reddawg
Gaudreau No Johnny Gaudreau anywhere? Seems like a legit pro prospect if he keeps going like he is. Obvious size issues, but they're not holding him back thusfar.
December 11, 2012
Votes: +0

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Kadri Dobbs, I know you stood by this guy while many were talking smack....some justified, some just the usual bashing of any Leafs prospect so why oh why have you backed down on him? He's really starting to prove himself at the AHL level and is outscoring probably about half of the AHL guys you have listed above him?

The kid responded exceptionally well to the public humiliation handed out by Eakins at the start of the year when he was called out for showing up out of shape and then watched a game from the press box with Colborne. In fact, since then he's been one of the most productive players in the entire league. What has Colborne done since the first half of last year to justify his ranking ahead of Kadri? I'm 100% confident in stating that Kadri is the better of the two prospects. One of these guys has 1st line upside and the other....well, I used to think he'd be a solid 2nd liner but I'm starting to question that.
December 10, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Loktionov - falling. But slowly. His NHL certainty is high, which is an important aspect of fantasy hockey prospects

GoHabs - fixed

Mike V - Yes it is hard to believe. He's falling though. Fast. But it's hard to forget his NHL production rate, over the course of his 10 games or so.
December 10, 2012
Votes: +0

MikeV said:

MikeV
... Hard to believe Joe Colborne is still the highest regarded Leafs forward prospect. What has he done this year?
December 10, 2012
Votes: +0

GoHabsGo said:

GoHabsGo
... who's # 176 on LA?

It shows #N/A.
December 10, 2012
Votes: +1

Axeman33 said:

Axeman33
... Curious as to why Loktionov ranks so high.
December 10, 2012
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... allen - Boone Jenner is a potential third liner who is at minimum three years away. This past year, in nearby Oshawa (my closest OHL rink) he has really taken a step forward offensively. This wasn't clear on November 10th, the last update. But the upcoming update will show some movement upward. That being said, you'll never see him in the Top 50 until he's within a year or two of NHL action.

Corstyles - Vatanen should be on the next update. He was 59th, but has moved up considerably over the past month.
December 01, 2012
Votes: -1

allen5938 said:

allen5938
Boone Jenner Hard to believe you think there are 179 better prospects than Boone Jenner, but it is just your opinion.
November 14, 2012
Votes: +0

Corstyles said:

Corstyles
Vatanen Are we going to see Sami Vatanen make this list anytime soon?
9 points in 9 games to start his AHL career... is his size that much of a concern?
November 11, 2012
Votes: +2

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Voynov up to 9 now. KHL threat always acts as a drag on fantasy value.
Two D-men are more of a sure thing, so they get value for the lower risk. But upside not as high. Though I disagree about Postma - he's more offense than two-way IMO

Nyquist will get more ice time than Brunner. But Brunner is an exciting fantasy prospect who could make a splash quickly (and he'll need to if he wants to stick).

Danault - thanks. Chicago has 15 NHL forwards right now, so hard to open my mind up to five or six great prospects in their system

Jenner - up to 180th. Don't overrate upside, but perhaps we've underrated said upside

Goalies - I may do that

Schultz - he's the man now
November 10, 2012
Votes: +0

aleco83 said:

aleco83
... also,I don't mind Stefan Eliott as #1 but Schultz is the most likely to jump into a top line role vs Smith or Ellis. Since we're not talking about upside, I think he bests the two above him. In pools with hits and pims Smith probably edges him but points only I favor him all the way.
October 10, 2012
Votes: -1

aleco83 said:

aleco83
... Dobber, would you consider adding goalies now that Justin is gone? The analysis may be at the goalie guild but nevertheless I think you should providethat info here
October 10, 2012
Votes: +0

fatcitybats said:

0
Jenner Any thoughts on where my Oshawa General ranks, given his hot hot start to the season?
October 05, 2012
Votes: +0

lfchockey said:

lfchockey
Danault Dobber, a guy that you need to keep your eye on is Blackhawks prospect and former 1st rounder Phillip Danault.
He's done nothing but impressed since being drafted: he won the QMJHL defensive player of the year while posting over a PPG pace and currently sits 2nd in QMJHL scoring.
Danault was great in the Canada-Russia series and he's widely regarded as one of the best leaders in the CHL. A bold statement, but I personally believe he's a lock to play on Canada's World Junior team... even if the lockout happens. If that's the case, his fantasy value will skyrocket!
October 01, 2012 | url
Votes: +0

Toews said:

Toews
... Thoughts on Damien Brunner???? Will Gustav Nyquist get more ice time?
September 16, 2012
Votes: +1

Brady19 said:

Brady19
... Hey Dobber, I always appreciate when you take the time to reply to our nitpicking... A couple of questions though:

1) Assuming your rankings are mainly based off upside and eta... How is Voynov still only ranked #15? He has dominated the AHL offensively, and after what I would call a strong showing last year in the playoffs, is essentially a lock for the NHL. And yes, I know he's within 5 points of being ranked 7th, just some of my usual nitpicking. smilies/smiley.gif

2) Erixon, Petrovic, Despres and Postma. I had these 4 pegged as more 2-way or defensive Dmen. Would you say that these 4 players have better offensive potential and eta than players like: Connauton, Clendening, or some of the other players you have ranked below them like Brodie, Marincin, etc. ?

Thanks for your time!
August 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Carcillo - Chaput - that was an oversight
Sport freunde - I fear Strome could be a bust, there are signs of that. But his team is perfect in terms of opportunity, whereas LA seems to chase their offensive prospects away. How long is Loktionov going to be a fourth liner/minor leaguer?
number54 - MPS graduated. Nino's PDO due to team shot percentage was the lowest in the league, pointing to terrible opportunity and bad luck. See the fantasy guide for more on him. Great prospect, let's hope they don't ruin him.
Oilers - Weal - reminds me of Colin Long. Don't read into what he does in junior at 20, he's playing against kids. Plus, as noted above, LA isnt very fair with offensive prospects
steve chambers - Grigs is where I would pick him. Gleen from that what you will. If his only barrier to elite status is attitude, then I'll take that. Risk/reward. For comparison - you are comparing two players within 5 ratings points and as I note at the top they should pretty much be considered equal.
Sport freunde - good points, I haven't penalized Moore enough. Or Loktionov.

Ekholm is Top 50 for D, would have to leapfrog
August 11, 2012
Votes: +1

Dieselboy said:

Dieselboy
Ekholm What are your thoughts on Mattias Ekholm? Top DMan in the SEL this season.
August 05, 2012
Votes: +1

number54 said:

number54
... ... @ IsleB

I totally agree with your assessment of Nino, in terms of size, speed and hands. My qualm with him is that if you only play 6 minutes a night (presumably all at ES), it doesn't seem possible to go -29. Pandolfo was 'only' a -14 on the year.
July 13, 2012
Votes: -1

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... @54

Nino is hard to get a read on. On the one hand, he has a rare combination of size, speed and skill. On the other hand he has very little feel for the NHL game, which resulted in one off-the-charts awful rookie season. While he was totally mishandled by the Islanders last year, even though he was playing 6 minutes a night with two of the worst players in the league (Reasoner and Pandolfo), he still should have been able to do more than score 1 goal in 55 games. I think he will be a player, but it won't be for quite a while.
July 13, 2012
Votes: +0

mbrown said:

mbrown
What's with the complaints? I enjoy the list, always have, not because I agree with everyone on it and their order, but because many perspectives makes for good decisions. I don't understand why so many people crap on the choices made, just because "their guy" isn't where they want him to be. Have a little faith in your own decision and stop screwing it up for the rest of us by bringing attention to the "sleeper guys." It's one learned opinion. Gather many more, it's what you do to make informed decisions.
July 10, 2012
Votes: +5

Sportfreunde said:

Sportfreunde
dmen and Omark/Loktionov For the dmen....Brodie, McNabb, Barrie, and Beaulieu, and especially Brodin....I'd have to think they're more valuable than John Moore and probably Barbeiro and Larsen as well. Jon Blum #8.....nah I don't see it, he can't be higher than the ones from 9-15 and a few others there.

I'm very surprised Loktionov hasn't taken a dip in the fwd ranks...he's a good prospect but I don't think he's becoming a regular any time soon mixed with KHL threat. Someone like Palmieri who's been better in the AHL and is gonna be given more oppurtunity has to be higher. Ditto for Etem/Bjugstad/Rattie being higher then Lokti. Also I've mentioned Brandon Saad many times, he's gonna get opportunity and he's NHL ready. He's gotta be higher than Omark. Omark was an exciting prospect at once but now there quite a few problems singled out, I'd have to think several of the guys right below him like Tervainen and Saad and Johan Larsson have more value.
July 10, 2012
Votes: +0

chimp82x said:

chimp82x
re: Grigorenko @ stevechambers99

#7 Grigorenko was the 4th forward drafted this year.

For comparison, #8 Scheifele was the 5th forward drafted last year and #9 Tarasenko was the 10th drafted forward in 2010.
July 10, 2012
Votes: -1

stevechambers99 said:

stevechambers99
Grigorenko How can Grigorenko be rated 7th overall in prospects list? Even when he never got drafted in NHL top 10?
July 10, 2012
Votes: -1

Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
Jordan Weal hey I posted this on the last update and it was not adressed... Just thought That i would shoot it out again to see why Weal is not in the mix....

Hey Dobbs..

Just curious as to why Jordan Weal would not be on the list? he had 116 PTS that was 5th in the WHL but the most impressive stat was that the next closest team mate only had 55PTS I dont think I have ever seen that and it speaks to the fact that he can create offence with out any one else. I see Tyler ennis, nathan Grebe type player and he will have a pretty good LA team to play on for years.
July 10, 2012
Votes: +0

number54 said:

number54
Minor jabs at the list I have to say I'm generally pretty happy with these rankings (at least the top 100) with two notable exceptions:

First, I don't see MPS anywhere on this list, which surprises me quite a bit -- did he graduate?! I'd have expected him somewhere in the top 50-100, at least.

Second, I can't believe Nino's still hangin' around in that top 20. Yes, he played 55 games in the show, but he was a whopping -29 with 1 point! Just because a guy plays, doesn't mean he's "ready". I mean maybe he can turn things around for himself, but from his current ranking you wouldn't even know he needs to!
July 10, 2012
Votes: +1

Sportfreunde said:

Sportfreunde
Toffoli and Strome Strome has great numbers and everything no doubt but I wanna know what are the chances that his skill will translate to the NHL? Some people for example still feel that he might bust or have a low ceiling but I don't understand this....is there any reason not to go after him?

And with Toffoli, obviously he's been lighting the OHL up for a while now and I think he'll be at least a 40 point guy to be conservative but is he gonna make any impact on this LA team in the near future or is he a guy worth owning a few years from now?
June 25, 2012
Votes: +0

Carcillo said:

Carcillo
Michael Chaput Where's Chaput? In the prospects guide you wrote he would have been in the top-150 if the Memorial Cup had ended two weeks earlier. Well the list is updated today but still no Chaput..
June 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Dre said:

Dre
... In the Dobber's 2012 Prospect report, why Louis Leblanc have the big down grade for the LTU and 3YP???? He pass the 78/59 to 70/35.
June 05, 2012
Votes: +3

letnry said:

letnry
... Curious why the huge drop from 53 to 126 for Alexander Khokhlachev?
May 19, 2012
Votes: +0

hawkdog said:

hawkdog
draft list I would think most people use this list as a reference, tweaking based on their biases and knowledge of certain players.

What would be great is if Dobber could provide an integrated F,D,G ranking list.
May 13, 2012
Votes: +2

sentium said:

Dakkster
... Alright, bygones. It just gets frustrating when it's been painfully obvious to quite a lot of people that Silfverberg was the best player in Sweden for pretty much all year and that didn't show here until the last update. And yes, that includes upside. But fuck it, let's have fun!
May 12, 2012
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... agaither - they are far away, a little further than I suspected and so this was just an adjustment.

Ev - agreed. I would bet $1000 on Filatov not making the team and being a career KHLer. But he's still owned by a lot of owners and deeper leagues still hold out hope. The good news is, although we're 99% certain that he's done with the NHL, we'll be 100% certain by October. So we won't have to wait long. But I always leave the door open a crack. We all gave up on Daniel Cleary once, too.

As for Noesen, I'm not sure I agree. Or rather, I agree that Noesen is as good as you think. But the issue here is that perhaps we overrate Prince. My staff was extremely high on him and his upside.
May 11, 2012
Votes: -1

agaither2179 said:

agaither2179
... Dobber, I noticed you dropped Joel Armia and Mark McNeill each by 50 points. As a keeper owner of both, is there something I should know about their development that isn't hidden in the #s? Armia improved as a 19 year in the SM-liiga and McNeill played for one of the worst teams in the WHL. Have they regressed or are they just that far away compared to their peers?
May 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... Filatov won't even be on an NHL team come the fall, doesn't really matter if he stays healthy or not IMO.

also I think your staff is too low on Stefan Noesen. He's ahead of Prince no question. Probably the 2nd or 3rd best OHL winger right now.
May 10, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Sentium - Just kidding around, didn't mean to offend. Ignorance is the understanding, or lack thereof, of a person's intent. Among other things. I reach out in friendship and time and again you slap my hand away. Let bygones be bygones

Nieto - My Prospects Rankings are least accurate/happy with in April. They are best in June, as I spend April/May/June putting together the prospects report. So it's an audit, of sorts. This is where all the prospects who I goofed on since October get adjusted. Nieto is one. Silfverberg is another. Yet another reason why those who come down so harshly on me in February are being a tad impatient.

Glennie - May be readjusted a bit more. June is the final auditing/release of the prospects report. Two guys on staff are convinced he can be a star

Filatov/MacLean - Their ages are 21 and 23. MacLean played 45 minutes or so last year and got two points. Yes, the outlook is doubtful, but if he ever got a chance I think he'd run with it. Lack of speed should not rob him of chances like this. But regardless, another failed camp would see him slip down pretty far. Filatov needs to stay healthy and make an impact in the fall. If he fails he slips pretty far as well. Any league that has 100 prospects owned, probably still has each of them on a roster.

May 10, 2012
Votes: +1

Reddawg said:

Reddawg
... Serious rankings get taken serrrrrrrrrrriously.

May 10, 2012
Votes: +0

sentium said:

Dakkster
... Alrighty then, stay ignorant and childish, Dobber.
May 10, 2012
Votes: -2

MrBlackthehockeyguy said:

MrBlackthehockeyguy
Bartschi Anyone who hasn't caught any of Portland/Bartschi in the WHL playoffs this season is missing out, especially against Edmonton.Games 3 and 4 were 2 of the best games I've seen all year at any level of hockey and as usual Sven starred in both of them,scoring 2 goals in the 3rd to send the game to OT in game 4 and scoring a highlight reel 2-0 goal in game 3.If Kreider's playoffs warrant bump him to 3 Bartschi should be top 5 at the worst. Personally I would absolutely take him ahead of Strome and Scheifele, and I'd certainly consider him ahead of Kreider and Granlund. 2ppg players don't grow on trees in the dub,not to mention he didn't exactly fizzle in in 5 game nhl tryout. As an Oilers fan I'm not looking forward to this guy speeding up Calgary's inevitable rebuild.
May 10, 2012
Votes: +2

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Nieto Hey Dobbs, welcome to the Neito party!! Glad to see he's finally made the list but you'll need a couple big bumps to get him where he should be....in the range of Rau and Kristo

As much as it pains me to ask (I paid way too much for the kid years ago) why is Filatov still hanging out in the top 100? Ditto Brett Maclean

Interesting to see Saad fall, all I've been hearing is mad love for him around here lately. Why the fall?

Glad to see you're hanging in there with Zuccarello, many have cooled on this kid but I think he's going to prove people wrong in a big way!
May 10, 2012
Votes: +0

Brady19 said:

Brady19
Glennie Part of the reason for the jump (although I think it's high myself) could be that the Dallas organization thought he has a strong first year as a pro. I remember seeing a quote from someone recently saying SOMETHING about being one of their best forwards this year and that he's very near NHL ready.

So if in Dobber's formulas it shows him as "NHL ready" then that clearly is an enormous factor in his rankings, as you can see with the Kreider jump and a few others as well like when Luke Adam was a top 3 prospect for awhile.

Personally a few of the head scratchers for me was Brock Nelson shooting up to #44, and Zack Phillips dropping to #79, a few spots behind Galiev (same junior team) who I don't think is in the same league as Phillips personally.

That being said too, I really liked a few of the moves that I thought were past due (Nick Jensen, Shane Prince, Matt Nieto).

But thats the beauty of Dobber's rankings, everyones a critic! smilies/smiley.gif

May 10, 2012
Votes: +0

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... alright, but do you have a reason for Glennie's jump? he's not even owned in my league. Poor season in the AHL too. I'm not sure who is evaluating him because it's just wrong in my eyes. Not that I mind.
May 09, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... I thought so too Ev, but every May/June we work on the Fantasy Prospects Report and I go over all the notes and evaluations and make adjustments. So May and June see big changes as I do like an "audit"
May 09, 2012
Votes: +0

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... Kreider jumping based on 2 playoff series I see.

Why the HUGE jump for Scott Glennie? That guy is bordering on bust.
May 09, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... I'll fill in Sentium's monthly response here for him smilies/wink.gif -

Whaaaaa? There is no WAY that Silfverberg should be 17th! Behind Granlund? Granlund is 40 points at best in the NHL.
smilies/grin.gif


And here's Sentium's June response after Silfverberg is ranked No.1:

Are you kidding? No.1! No WAY he should be No.1! He should be negative-6! He should be in his own chart above this chart, where the rankings go into the negatives...and he's the only one on it!
smilies/cool.gif
May 09, 2012
Votes: +4

sentium said:

Dakkster
... Whaaaaaaat? Since when does Johan Larsson have more upside or more certainty than Jakob Silfverberg? There is no way EVER that Larsson should be ranked ahead of Silfverberg. The three Brynas boys should be ranked Silfverberg, Jarnkrok, Larsson and Silfverberg is waaaay ahead of the other two in terms of upside and readiness. Larsson is a 50 point guy in the NHL at best.
May 01, 2012
Votes: +0

Rob Verhelle said:

Rob
Huberdeau No1 , not this week anyway After seeing the 5 games against Chicoutimi, he was invisible , the Sags neutralized him quite effectively to a point that Huberdeau just lost it....and the Ref's didnt even see it http://stationnation.blogspot....hudon.html I dont think hes the player everyone thinks he is .
May 01, 2012
Votes: +0

Nick said:

slufoot
D prospects A little late to the party on Roman Josi I'd say. Just like Voynov. Can't believe you still have Calvin DeHaan ahead of both of them.
April 22, 2012
Votes: +0

Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
Jordan Weal Hey Dobbs..

Just curious as to why Jordan Weal would not be on the list? he had 116 PTS that was 5th in the WHL but the most impressive stat was that the next closest team mate only had 55PTS I dont think I have ever seen that and it speaks to the fact that he can create offence with out any one else. I see Tyler ennis, nathan Grebe type player and he will have a pretty good LA team to play on for years.
April 17, 2012
Votes: +0

krisco said:

sasquatch
Kozun Hey Dobber, love your work! Just wondering where Brandon Kozun ranks on your list and why so low?
April 17, 2012
Votes: +0

angelofharlem said:

angelofharlem
Blum Hey Dobber, do you ever drop guys back down to the prospects list after graduating them? Jonathon Blum played in the minors all season, and I'm wondering where he would fit on your D list at this point.
April 16, 2012
Votes: +1

Larry said:

Rollie1967
Hamonic I think its safe to say Hamonic has graduated from prospect to NHLer. He is finishing his 2nd year in the NHL, after only 19games in the minors at the start of his pro career.
March 10, 2012
Votes: +3

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... I wouldn't use THN rankings as a reference point for anything. They had Kadri 1st once.
March 10, 2012
Votes: +0

Reddawg said:

Reddawg
Ratings The difference in the ratings between Jarnkrok and Silfverberg is only 7 points, less of a gap than there is between Huberdeau and Granlund...isn't is possible to just consider all of this subjective and interpretative until we actually see what these guys will do on this side of the lake?
March 10, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
postma, Barberio Barberio 39
Postma 41
March 09, 2012
Votes: -1

tradejunkie said:

tradejunkie
Where is Justin Faulk? Check out the dude's special teams time lately. It's Linsanity! Recent samples: 7:25 on PP! 5:31 on SH!
He's also got 4G (3PP, 2GWG), 1A in last 10 games.
March 09, 2012
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Wow. Sentium - I'm not a pro scout, this is for fantasy hockey. I listen to the pro scouts. I hear the GMs, the beatwriters, and I look at the numbers and the trends. Watch Silfverberg? Why? What would that do? Because I'm a star pro scout who could look at him skate (or hit, or pass, etc) and say "hmmm, clearly he skates x mph, whereas Jarnkrok only skates y mpg"?? I love it when Joe Blow asks if I "actually watch" something. Like what non-pro scouts have to say after "watching" a game really impacts anyone's evaluation of a player. LOL

My stance: Silf has higher upside. Silf is closer to NHL readiness. Silf is not as guaranteed to make an impact in the NHL as Jarn is.

Anyway, the verdict is in - Jarkrok was ranked 32 by THN Future Watch, polling scouts/GMs. Silfverberg was ranked 67. So is your "actually watching" the players a help to your fantasy hockey team? Or is my listening to what actual pros say the way to go? I rank Jarn 34 and Silf 61 here, so I have them closer than THN - your beef is probably more with THN.

Thank you for the harsh words. I don't believe my statement was ignorant, but I do believe that yours was the very definition of it because you don't, in fact, know me or what I watch.


Big Ev - I use the term "not in the same ballpark" as if it's two buddies in a pub having a pint. Of course they're in the same ballpark, but when two drunks are arguing a minor point, they exaggerate.

As for Larsson - right you are. He shoots up big time this month.
March 09, 2012
Votes: +1

Ron Burgundy said:

Ron Burgundy
... Nice work Dobber - just wondering if/when we are going to see a couple of AHL'ers on the D-man list - Mark "Vinny" Barberio and Paul Postma. Do you think they are close with the guys you have in the bottom 20 of your top 35?
February 13, 2012
Votes: -1

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... Also another thing, a guy like Johan Larsson is pretty underrated here as well. Will be a pro next season.

I know it's not as easy to follow Swedish prospects as much as the CHL kids, though (if you aren't in Sweden).
February 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... don't really have to say anything more than sentium just said. One could like Jarnkrok better, but to say Silf isn't in his ballpark is just wrong.

Silfverberg is 100% guaranteed a winger for the Sens next season. Source: his bosses.
February 11, 2012
Votes: +0

sentium said:

Dakkster
... Wow. How about you actually watch Silfverberg and Jarnkrok play before you make such an ignorant statement? I won't say anything about NHL upside, but right now Jarnkrok wouldn't cut it in the NHL while Silfverberg would AT LEAST hold his own on a third line. He drives the offense of Brynas and he drives his and Jarnkrok's line. Yes, they make each other better, but you have to understand that Silfverberg is A LOT better than Jarnkrok right now. I'm guessing that you're just looking at the stats and thinking that they're close and because Jarnkrok was picked higher and by the Wings, he has higher upside, but that's just off. I watch them regularly, I know.
February 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Big Ev - nothing to boggle. I haven't looked at Caporusso in a couple of months and frankly didn't know he was in the E. This month I focused more on trolling the depth charts for players who weren't in my template - added about 40 new ones (only a couple made the list). As I delve into the prospects report again (starting on it shortly) I would have discovered such things about the lesser guys like Louis Cap. I didn't pull out the magnifying glass to study the players in the 130s and 140s... smilies/wink.gif


Silfverberg - I'm happy where he is. I agree he has more upside, but he is not a better player. Not in the same ballpark. Jarnkrok I would bet good money that he's an NHL player. Silfverberg I would bet small money. 86th is fitting.


February 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
couple of thoughts still think Silfverberg should receive a higher rating. best player in the elite league at 21/22 years old, captain of his team, surefire prospect. anyone who has seen a Brynas game knows Silfverberg is a better player than Jarnkrok, and has a better NHL upside.

actually scratch that, keep him where he is. don't want the hype lol.

it also still boggles my mind that Louie Caporusso is even on this list. He's in the ECHL right now. Kaspars Daugavins and Marcus Foligno are below him, and they're both in the NHL already. i know they're within 5 points, but still
February 11, 2012
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Mabus - yes, I agree with everything you say here. Not sure what you are responding to. That's the problem with getting to these comments a few weeks later haha.

Banks - thank you

Brian - Schultz - he was moved up to 38th in the world among prospect defensemen last month, which includes several already in the NHL. I don't think that's disrespecting the guy. And this is the 50th time I say this - if a player is within 5 rating points of another player, then consider the two practically equal. I can only beg the reader to understand that point. So based on Schultz's rating he could have been (as of January) anywhere from 55th to 25th. I can't stand arguing over which supermodel is hotter. Seriously. And this month he's up another six spots, so the range is now 50th to 20th.

Nick - you can put stock in these rankings because of the above reason. As long as you use the "5 rating point rule". These rankings for D are solid, as opposed to my "keeper league d-man" rankings.

Barbario - he is 50th as of February

Jimmy Hayes - marches up the ranks from 236 to 92



February 11, 2012
Votes: +1

Jeff said:

number54
Jimmy "The Giant" Hayes Jimmy Hayes' prospect report reads like a recipe for success. Take a 6'6", 220lb frame, add to that a nose for the net (he had 21 goals for Boston College last season, in 39 games) and some good skating ability (I would even say great for a man of his stature).

I'm not saying he deserves to be in the upper echelons of this list, but I think it's worth taking out a flyer on him. After all, he is seeing some decent action with the Blackhawks this year, with 5 points (3 goals) in his first 9 contests. I don't know why he missed the cut for this list, but I'd love to see him on it next month.
January 18, 2012
Votes: +1

Ben R. said:

jeamcasmith99
Mark Barberio Dobber, where is Barberio ranked among your top D-prospects?
January 15, 2012
Votes: +0

Nick said:

slufoot
Brian H I agree with you, and I would hesitate to put too much stock into Dobber's D prospect rankings. They've just been a recent addition, and these rankings are based on pool settings with no D position designations so I think the accuracy of D projections here would be less relaible than that of forwards.

Schultz should definitely be on this list as he's performing better in Wisconsin than Dobber favourites Jamie McBain, and Brendan Smith did. Another huge omission is Jonas Brodin. There are players such as Derek Joslin, Erik Gustafsson, Simon Despres, Maxim Goncharov ranked here who will have a tough enough job securing a consistent top-6 spot in the NHL, let alone being a top-30 D prospect ahead of talents like Schultz and Brodin. Just take these rankings with a grain of salt if you're looking for D projections.
January 14, 2012
Votes: +0

Brian Harling said:

kbooks
Merrill Sorry Merril actually was with Michigan Wolverines but has been suspended and is not playing this year.
January 12, 2012
Votes: -1

Brian Harling said:

kbooks
Justin Schultz just can't get any respect Still have trouble understanding why Justin Schultz is being shunned. This guy is likely going to win the Hobey Baker award. He is a big defenceman (6' 2", 185 pounds) and skates like the wind. He currently has 11 goals, 21 asists i 20 games. That's only 1.6 points per game. He sits near the top of the scoring of all college players. While I like Jojn Merrill and think he is a solid prospect but in my opinion he is not in the elite catagory that Schultz is in. I know Merrill gets more hype because he is in the east and plays for Boston college. You have him ranked 30th while Schultz does not even make your list. Merrill is having a very tough year with the Michigan Wolverines. He has been suspended and has only played 2 games with 2 assists. He did play for team USA at the world Juniors and had 4 points in 5 games but was a minus 2. Merrill is only 19 and has clear talent and size but he is really struggling. Shultz is 21 and is a top prospect for Anaheim. The only serious competition that shultz has for a job next year with anaheim will be Finish prospect Sami Vatanen 20 drafted in the 4th round in 2009. In my opinion it is no contest Schultz is clearly the top D prospect in the Anaheim system and that was why they were willing to trade Gardiner to Toronto. By the way last year Schultz had better stats than Gardiner who you have ranked 9th.

Just to point out further questions about why Schultz with 1.6 pts per game is excluded. The following College forwards that you do rank that are all being outscored by Schultz a defenceman. Austin Smith ranked 127th has 1.65, Jaden Swartz ranked 27th has 1.5, Drew Shore ranked 108th has 1.36, Bjugstad ranked 67th has 1.33, Kreider ranked 26th has 1.19. Now i accept that these guys are great prospects but Schultz a D is outscoring all but Austin Smith on a points per game basis.

Just don't know what Schultz has to do to get some respect.
January 12, 2012
Votes: +0

Jason Banks said:

Jason_Banks
Edit Dobber... Caputi is on ANH...

This is why you have me around I see you did get Deschamps correct...

Couple notes on these 2... Syracuse and Toronto played the day they got traded so equiptment was just exchanged in the hallway of Ricoh in what the Marlies trainer said 'was the weirdest hockey thing he's ever done'

Deschamps scored in his 1st game... where as Caputi continued 'Floating'...

Deschamps now has 2 points in 4 games as Caputi has 3 pts in 3 games...

Caputi was stuck on a 4th line roll in the AHL playing with Will Acton (Keiths's son)and Kyle Nueber, but he never showed anything worth moving him forward from that roll since his return from injury. For the most part he just coasted around the neutral zone and chipped pucks into the zone with no drive at all... For a guy needing to make his mark in an organization calling up what are for the most part AHL talents (Boyce and Crabb), Caputi needed to push HARD to fine away up that depth chart.

Deschamps is a skilled, mild mannered, Lasalle Quebec native who has an eye for great passes and openings. Columbus needs guys that can take call up and are close to making impacts in the show. Deschamps is a Project. He stands 6'1 but needs to pop on about 20-30 pounds in the offseason to help him fight off Defenders and become more solid. He is a great skater and is about 2 years away from being an 'Impact Player' in the AHL level and start looking towards call-ups, in Toronto they have the time to wait on him with the Youthful forwards we have currently in the show and Kadri, Frattin, Colborne, Mueller, Scott and D'Amigo fighting for call ups. (Take note of the last 2, they have taken HUGE steps this year and are filling all roles in the AHL, Scott is a bit small but he has a huge work ethic If you like Boyce and Crabb, Scott is even better... D'Amigo is anchoring the best PK in the AHL playing alot with Mike Zigomanis and/or Scott... Acton and Ryan Hamilton are others on the PK)
January 11, 2012
Votes: +0

Mabus said:

mabus
... If your league doesn't start anyone that gets less than 60 points, how many guys on this list make the cut? What does your order look like? To me, Huberdeau, Granlund, Tarasenko and Kuznetsov all have the skill to be top 10 or top 20 players in the league, so they would probably top my list. I ask because I really believe that now might be one of the best buy-low opportunities we have seen in years for some of these top notch prospects, so I'd like to know if I'm out to lunch.

The situations where rookie's have been hugely undervalued in recent memory were half way through Stamkos rookie year, right before the start of the season in Kane's rookie year, and Malkin's value the year he didn't come over to the NHL. I'm not sure any of these guys are that extremely undervalued, but I'm going to guess at least one or two of them are going to provide a huge return on investment if they are acquired today.

Mabus
January 06, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Schulz - Justin Schultz went up nine spots this month to #38. He's almost on the list. Great prospect. He's behind more people on the ANA depth chart than Merrill is in terms of their skill sets.

McFarland - John McFarland also went up nine spots this month to #199. Again very close. He's behind several prospects on the depth chart, however, which is holding him back.

Banks - thanks for the Johnson find. I obviously copy/pasted him instead of cut/pasted (into my "graduates" file) smilies/wink.gif


JW - I have to disagree with you. If anything, those two may be a little high. Between the KHL threat (and don't tell me they're shoe-ins, just look at Filatov and Radulov) and the fact that Boston is incredibly deep (and TB as well), I'm happy with where they sit here.

Dave H - I need to be satisfied 100% that they won't be sent down. Not 99.9%, as Landeskog is. 100%. It's a failure on my part if a prospect graduates and then I have to put him back - as I did with Sergei Kostitsyn and Kyle Turris and Mikkel Boedker in the past. So this is purely my judgment/opinion and no specific rule to follow. And before I hear Landeskog arguments, I will say this - I had heated arguments from commenters about Kostitsyn and then he was sent down a few months later. Surprises happen.




December 13, 2011
Votes: -2

Brian Harling said:

kbooks
Justin Schultz Justin Schultz should be well up on your list. For example you have Nick Bjugstad at 70 and that is fine as he is playing really well in college. Bjugstad has 27 points after playing 20 games. Schultz a defensman has more points than Bjugstad with 28 points in 18 games (9 goals and 19 assists) and sits tied for second in overall scoring among all college players. Jonathan Merrill sits at 30 on your list and while Merrill is a quality prospect for sure he has not played a game this year. In his last year Merrill had 25 points in 42 games. That was very good for a young freshman but does not come close to the Schultz numbers. By comparison last year Schultz had 47 points in 41 games. Schultz is currently on pace to have a 65 point season over 42 games. Brendan Smith who sits 4th on your list had 52 points in 42 games in his last year in college to provide some perspective. Schultz will likely be in the NHL with Anaheim sometime next year. I just have to keep bringing this guy to your attention as you clearly have missed this rapidly rising star.
December 12, 2011
Votes: +1

Jason Banks said:

Jason_Banks
Edit and Names/Requests pssst. Dobber... Nick Johnson Graduated, yet you have him listed as 140th... Unless there is anouther one I'm missing...

I echo the John McFarland should be listed in the top 180...

Other names I see missing, Daniel Cantenacci, Tobias Rider and Alexader Petrovic... Its ok if you wanna hide them for me (but I already picked up Petrovic) but they do deserve to be here...

Also can we maybe extend the list to 200 forwards and 50 Defencemen? +20 and +15... Much cleaner numbers and more names to watch =)

Other than that I'm enjoying owning Huberdeau on this list =)
December 11, 2011
Votes: +1

Jordan said:

jcarbone
John McFarland No John McFarland on this list?
The guy did fall a bit at the draft but to still go early 2nd round is impressive, a once considered elite talent and has insane offensive potential don't see how you can completely leave him off this list. Is a boom or bust player for sure but can not deny the skill is there, and I'd take a risk on McFarland over a lot of the players on this list. He's a player I think will be a much better NHL player than junior player.
McFarlands also one of the leaders for Saginaw this year and is on the right track to developing into the steal Florida hoped for when they drafted him.

So what do you think he projects as, and where's he ranked if not in the top 180?
December 10, 2011
Votes: +0

JW said:

maya has the knife
... Not much love for Khokhlachev or Namestnikov, given that they're sitting 11 & 12 in OHL scoring at the moment.
December 10, 2011
Votes: +0

mick said:

hawkdog
graduated - nugget Dobber likely has nugget graduated over Landeskog because he feels there is still a chance the latter could be demoted.

I question why Clitsome, Blum or Kindl have graduated over Leddy? Leddy seems to have earned a full time spot, similar to Hamonic
December 10, 2011
Votes: +0

DaveH said:

dave04
graduated players? What's a player need to "graduate" from the list? Just wondering since Nugent-Hopkins has graduated but Landeskog has not and they've both basically played the same amount of NHL games.
December 10, 2011 | url
Votes: +1

Veritas0Aequitas said:

Veritas0Aequitas
Justin Schultz Hey Dobber I know oversights happen but Justin Schultz should be #13 at least on the D-men list. He's a future STUD!
December 10, 2011
Votes: +1

Uzair said:

Sportfreunde
Saad Brandon Saad had a great pre-season and he's I believe leading the OHL in ppg atm with over 2. I expect Saad/Scheifele/Strome to make an impact as early as maybe next season and I'd also move Saad up cos 79 is too low when the other two are in the top 15. I think his stock around the draft went down from being top 7 or 10 to not being top 20 but he's back on track now and looks more like a top 10 pick.
November 20, 2011
Votes: +1

Ron said:

RippedOnNitro
RE: More D prospects Hi Dobber,

Just like Alex I am also looking for a more extensive D prospects list.

For the rest...I could not be any happier with your list/prospect guide!
November 15, 2011
Votes: +1

Alex said:

RangerFan
More D prospects Hey Dobber,
I was wondering if you would consider expanding the list of Dmen prospects. I love that you give us 185 forwards but we could use more help with Dmen. I think the regular readers know the top 30 at least by name but expanding it by 20 or so would really help. Just my 2 cents. Thanks in advance.
November 15, 2011
Votes: +1

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... 1) GIve up on Brett MacLean

2) Not a big deal but what is the point of labelling players? I see a lot of players with T's who should be an O, and some O's who should be T's.
November 11, 2011
Votes: +0

Uzair said:

Sportfreunde
... Actually, I noticed Dobber mentioned that in today's rambling lol with Leddy and Blum.

One more thing, I love Landeskog and his line with O'Reilly/Winnik has been great. The Mike Richards comparisons were good, he actually hits more I think and really goes to the net hard. But I'd still expect Brayden Schenn to be the better player even as an Avs fan.

Also rough for Bdker I'm a big fan of but his coach has him playing dump/chip the puck hockey rather than use his speed and carry the puck. One bright spot though is that Cal O might be his new centreman and he's a pretty good playmaker, Bdker has a great shot.
November 11, 2011
Votes: +0

Uzair said:

Sportfreunde
... Nick Leddy has been pretty phenomenal minus the bad period here and there. Blum has been good too but I don't think he'll reach his offensive upside in Nashville although Ellis might, he's just too good offensively. I don't think anyone has considered Josi on Nashville though who actually made the team and is just on IR.
November 11, 2011
Votes: +0

Brian Harling said:

kbooks
Justin Schultz Don't understand why Justin Schultz is not on this list. He will be a serious candidate for the Hobey Baker award this year. Currently has four goals and ten assists in ten games this season. That is 1.4 points per game for a defenceman. Last year Schultz had 18 goals and 47 points in 41 games (1.14 pts per game). I understand there is a bit of a bias against college players but still Schultz is burning up college hockey. Schultz is the top prospect in the Anaheim system and will likely be playing in the NHL next year with Anaheim. You do list a number of college forwards like Jaden Schwartz (26), Chris Kreider (36), Charlie Coyle (41), Nick Bjugstad (89), Danny Kristo (109), and Drew Shore (184) to name a few. Interesting that only two of those forwards have produced more points than Schultz's 14 points: Bjugstad and Kreider have 15 points whileall the other forwards on the prospect list have less points than that missing defenceman named Schultz.

It is not like Schultz is one of those small skilled guys that would not be suited for the NHL. Schultz at 21 is 6'2" and 185 pounds. He is a bit light but he will no doubt fill out. Last year he played with Jake Gardiner and had better stats than Gardiner. It was the solid play of Schultz that made Anaheim more comfortable in letting Gardiner go to the Leafs in the Beauchemin/Lupul deal. Anyhow just think this guy should be on your list.
November 11, 2011
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Chris, I try not to move players up quickly. The guy has played NHL hockey for exactly one month. He went up 30 last month and 20 the month before that. That's a great clip.

He was never drafted, and in his first seven games he was a minus-10 or something like that and I was advocating that he be sent down. Meanwhile, MacLean was drafted in the second round, has two points in five games with nine minutes of ice time per game, and his stats at every level have been steadily increasing. I own MacLean in one league and if you offered Da Costa to me for him I would laugh all the way through my hanging up the phone on you. smilies/wink.gif

Another month, a few more points, and he rises. Another month after that and he could crack the Top 20. Another month after that and I'd just graduate him.
November 10, 2011
Votes: +1

Chris Jackson said:

loco man
Da Boss Why is Da Costa so low? Looks like he has locked down the second line gig and is gaining confidence with every game. His moves last night were incredible. You gotta think he deserves to be ahead of guys like Brett Maclean at this point.
November 10, 2011
Votes: +0

bulldogs said:

bulldogs
schultz zucker shore hi dobber, i wanna know what do you thinks about these prospects jason zucker min, drew shore florida and justin schultz all in college but maybe in nhl next , at least i hope

bulldogs
November 09, 2011
Votes: +0

Brian Mracek said:

CokeBottles
Sean Couturier? Hey Dobber,
Any thoughts about Couturier's upside now that he has made the big club as an 18 year old. The prospects reports has his upside at 77 point?
November 08, 2011
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Kevin - absolutely

Uzair - Barrie is an NHLer on many teams and a top prospect. But make no mistake - he is and was no rival to Elliott according to many Colorado insiders. Elliott's a 10. Barrie's a 9.

Cowen - correct

Granlund - Top 5 player not in the NHL IMO, but top prospects actually in the NHL hold an edge over non-NHL players of talent that is near the same.

lctd - I started keeping archives about 18 months ago. But I've had this for like six years

November 06, 2011
Votes: +0

Kevin said:

mrmojorisin
Adam Henrique Hey Dobbs,

Been trying for a few years now to get Adam Henrique bumped up on the list, I think that he may have proven over the last few games that he deserves to be much higher than 87th on this list. Keep up the good work.
November 05, 2011
Votes: +1

Brian Foster said:

TeamFoster4
DOBBER’S 2011-12 CALDER TROPHY PICKS When the top 215 prospects are updated each month on the tenth,
could there also be an update on the top 10 Calder trophy picks?

Would like to know if other people think this would be a good idea.
October 31, 2011
Votes: +4

Uzair Siddiq said:

Sportfreunde
... Barrie is too low on that list imo, he actually rivaled Elliot in training camp/pre-season.

Does Jared Cowen not have enough fantasy potential to make him worthwhile in points leagues?

And Granlund has always been a bit underrated here, his potential for sure is higher than some of those other guys, he's obviously over a year away but I'd still have him in any top 10.
October 09, 2011
Votes: +2

lcbtd said:

germant
A Past Snapshot? Hey Dobber!

First off, I'm a daily visitor (twice, sometimes three times a day!) and yearly subscriber to your publications (all worth every penny for those not quite sure!). This is the definitive site for poolies.

I am curious about something - How long have you been doing The Top 215 Prospect Rankings? Reason I ask is that I'm wondering if you have a snapshot of your rankings from, say, 5 years ago to the day? I'd like to see how that list stacks up against what kinds of careers were forged by these kids. I think it'd be awfully interesting.

Any chance of you posting that?

And I'd also like to hear your thoughts on Dalpe v. Boychuk (who I own). I really felt the tide sway in Dalpe's favour this year based mostly on the Ramblings and I'm hoping that's a temporary swing.

Thanks!

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October 09, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
David Savard ...is ranked 43 on the dmen portion of this list. What separates 43 from 30 is a hair, so hopefully this doesn't raise any hackles smilies/wink.gif
October 09, 2011
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Jeff said:

number54
Boychuk or Dalpe I've read too many differing opinions on who's the better of the two players. I've watched their rankings on this list sea-saw back & forth. I read their descriptions in the prospect report and scratched my head. I chewed my nails. And finally, despite your rankings, I stuck with Boychuk over Dalpe in my Keeper pool's entry draft.

I reasoned it this way: Boychuk comes with the pedigree of being a 1st round pick in '08 (14th overall), whereas Dalpe was drafted a whole round later (45th overall) the same year. Boychuk also boasts more pro games & points than Dalpe (AHL & NHL). He also bested Dalpe in points per game (65/60) this past year.

Now, I know your stance on players rated within 10 points of one another, but from your prospect report (higher 3yp & upside), to the fantasy guide (higher projection for this year), to this list, Dalpe seems to have a slight edge in your projections.

Having said that, every statistical category seems to favor Boychuk. (In fact, even your prospect report even ranks Boychuk higher than Dalpe, despite lower projected stats across the board.) So, you'll probably say "potato pot-ah-to" about these two, but if you do, at least tell me why you feel that way in the face of stats that say otherwise.
September 19, 2011
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Karbinkopy said:

Karbinkopy
David Savard When is he going to hit your defenseman list? In the opinion of some of your Dobberhockey compatriots he's already surpassed John Moore. He was the second leading rookie scorer in the AHL last season. He's good in his own zone, he was the main PPQB in Springfield and now he has 1G, 4A, +2 in 2 games at Traverse City. I know he was a fourth round pick, but what's a guy got to do to make your list? He should at least be ahead of Tyson Barrie, who has some competition for a scoring role what with Elliot, Gaunce and Chouinard (who was on a torrid scoring pace last season until he got injured early)on the Colorado depth chart.
September 12, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
Thank you well put sir
The list factors in several things I note above and I think it fits most prospects well, but some prospects it fits them awkwardly and the result is a ranking that doesn't suit. I could manually assign him a number, but I would rather keep my own arbitrary rating out and stick with a formula. I feel like I introduce less bias that way.
September 11, 2011
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Kris said:

4horsemen
You reap what you sow For all potential customers out there: I've been buying Dobber's complete fantasy package for the past 4 years and I find it an invaluable resource in my fantasy hockey prep. I'm also a firm believer that this site is one of the more useful fantasy sites out there.....this message was not sponsored by Dobberhockey.com it was a gift from Krishockey.com

The thing is, when you post a list like this it's a given that people will raise beefs with it more often than they'll heap praise upon it. This sort of dialogue should serve to refine a list such as this. However, when your responses to peoples objections have a condescending tone it's only natural that those people are going to pounce on an opportunity to play 'told ya so'........hence, you reap what your sow.

Now to address your reasoning. The percentages that you speak of are in your prospects report, not this list. I'm not sure how you weight the odds that a player will reach his potential when making the list but I'd think that a player with a 10% chance who's looking to make the NHL in a checking line capacity wouldn't deserve a spot, this is where the confusion lies for me. As for some of your examples I'm simply baffled as to how they're comparable. Pronger was the 2nd overall pick, of course there's reason to believe he'd pan out. Franzen wasn't even drafted until he was 24. Moulson put up PPG stats in the AHL. The fact of the matter is that you have formed a 'straw man' argument as my reasoning wasn't simply that Makarov was too old it was that he no longer projected as an NHLer and his upside was irrelevant to most poolies. I have no issue with the fact that at one time he was on your list, I just can't for the life of me understand why he's still there. You are right though, every once in a while a Tim Thomas or a St. Louis will slip through the cracks but is the list better served by covering all bases or making more precise, calculated decisions. I could make a list of 400 prospects and tell you that I'll be able to predict 95% of all future NHLers but that would be as much use as your list of 185 guys who won't make it.

Asking you to make a more conservative list is the last thing I'd ever do, I really like it when people go out on a limb and can back it up with something but I also value people who can admit that the fat lady has sung and move on. If I didn't value your list I wouldn't even be here commenting unless I was just here to stir the pot smilies/wink.gif

I really think a nice addition to the list would be some sort of 'Dobbers Gut Guys' so that casual poolies don't look at the list (there are no percentages there) and determine that it might be wise to value Makarov over a guy like Frattin that's just wrong.

September 11, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Carcillo - I'm waiting to see training camp. But given that he had fantasy value for about six games last year, to take him off the list in favor of a prospect who will probably never play an NHL game seems premature. After watching Parenteau make the jump, I don't know how anyone can say that Sterling can't remain just barely in the Top 185

Kris - Thank you for scaring away potential customers, but perhaps you could share with them what percentage odds that I said, in each Prospects Report, that Makarov would reach his potential. Was it 10%? 15%? 25%? And each year that number went lower as we saw more? Even non-math students can calculate that this means 90% chance that he never hits his potential (or 85, or 80, etc). Which garden path was I taking people down on? Would Krishockey.com have had an 18-year-old Makarov at 0%? What about at 19?

If you run past prospects who are well past Krishockey.com's "sell by" date, then people would have ran past Chris Pronger, Martin St. Louis (what did they do before 23?), Matt Moulson, Parenteau, Johan Franzen. NEVER speak in terms of absolutes. Even now, I would never say Makarov is 100% done. 99% maybe, but never say never. Analyze the percentage of confidence that I have in a player and understand that 20% means...80% chance of not getting there. If you are mostly happy with the product and a little unhappy, perhaps the reviews should be mostly positive and a little negative to reflect that.

Shall I be more conservative? I could say - anyone who has shown very little or nothing by the age of 21 will be busts...and you know what? I would be right 95% of the time. But then poolies wouldn't get the jump on the other 5%. And frankly, give me a shot at that 5% and I can handle a few busts.

My point - please don't take my word as 100% absolute. I make it quite clear in everything I write - and I've even added percentage odds beside every player I profile, I don't know what more I can do short of holding people's hands. Hell, even my motto is that I'm right 52% of the time!

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And yes, I could go through this list of 185 prospect forwards and put all 185 down as guys who will never be fantasy assets ever - and I would be correct 150 times. I like those odds. I'd look like a genius, and all I have to do is insult my own list. smilies/wink.gif
September 11, 2011
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Carcillo said:

Carcillo
Sterling Dobber, it's finally time to get rid of Brett Sterling on this list. He's already over 27 years old so he shouldn't be eligible anymore by your standards.
August 27, 2011
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Kris said:

4horsemen
The Makarov issue is FINALLY put to bed "Makarov's KHL numbers are typical of most young Russian stars. In that league, teenagers don't get the ice time if they are on strong teams, as Makarov was. Anyway, you can read all the justification by myself and the other columnists in the last two Prospects Reports. A wise investment for you, given what you are saying here.

Poolies should be happy that Makarov is "here" because the main question mark with him was "would he come over?" The answer is - yes.

Since your post, I notice he has five points in eight games and a minus-2. Not bad for someone who has never played consistently on a smaller ice surface.

And that, folks, is why you come to dobberhockey.com and rarely visit krishockey.com
"

Well, well, well.....guess I'll get that krishockey.com site going and save a few other poolies from being led down the garden path.

You gotta know when to hold em'
Know when to fold em'
Know when to walk away
Know when to run (away from prospects who are years past their sell by date)
August 20, 2011
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Speaker Damage said:

speakerdamage
Ekholm Still hasn't made it, eh? With all of the love given to Nashville's defense you'd think that arguably their top prospect (despite being taken in the 4th round) would make the cut. Will it take another season of domination for him to finally get recognized?
August 17, 2011
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Evan Hotham said:

Big Ev
... Wick is in Europe. He's done!
August 16, 2011
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fzusher said:

fzusher
Finally ... Kenny Agostino gets some love ... was curious how long a winger in the Pens system who put up 0.8 PPG as a true (18 yr old) college rookie can stay out of the list smilies/grin.gif
August 15, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Hopkins - the path to being the No.1 center is much more clear than Schenn's path. Also, Hopkins has more upside. I don't believe Schenn will ever get 90 points and you would see that in the Guides that I publish.

Smurf - nothing to do with small man's syndrome. I don't like Schroeder, to be honest, as a fantasy player. But Johansson went into his draft as a defensive center. That's right. I was laughed at by several readers for saying that he had some offensive upside. And now the pendulum has swung the other way - life is funny! Anyway, Johansson will never get 75 points. Schroeder, though a long shot, could.

Kozun - he is, what, three-foot-seven? Haha. He's on the list this month, inching upwards.

Mike - I think you are right. I am always so hard on the new draftees and tried to address that weakness this year. May have overcompensated. I adjusted them a little. But keep in mind the "excitement" factor. And who an owner in your league who just drafted one of these guys would ask for in a trade, vs. a player who has been a prospect for three years...


GelFlow - I think plus/minus 5 rating points those prospects are all equal. That's how I consider it in trade talks.



August 15, 2011
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Jeff said:

number54
High on Hopkins? Can anyone sell me on why RNH should be valued so much more highly than Schenn?
August 11, 2011
Votes: -1

Smurf said:

crackho1976
Small man Syndrome How does Jordan Schroeder rank Ahead of Marcus Johansson after the way he played in the last half of the season and playoffs? For many games during the season he was their best player on the ice. I think he will surprise this year with a lock on #2 center. Just like Kesler was once ranked as a two way defensive guy I think Johansson has more skill than he gets credit for!smilies/grin.gif
July 26, 2011
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Ray Irwin said:

Ray_Irwin
Brandon Kozun Could be an oversight but I think Brandon Kozun has done enough in junior and his rookie AHL season to warrant a spot somewhere on this list.
July 18, 2011
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Mike Brown said:

mbrown
New guys syndrome Hey Dobber

Love your lists, visit your sight daily,, have been for years now and always buy your rookie and yearly packages. Your latest prospect list seems to have a great deal of weight offered to the new guys (draft 2011) and by all accounts of those who really know the crop have long been calling it one of the weakest in years. I think you're overvaluing the shiney new prospects over the guys who've been in the pipeline for a while. I know it's more fun to pretend this new batch of rookies will be better than the last. Just a thought.
July 12, 2011
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Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... Thanks for responding, Dobber!

@GelFlow - Johansen is only 9 points back of #4 Mattias Tedenby. You gotta look at the ratings.
July 11, 2011
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GelFlow said:

GelFlow
Ryan Johansen Why is he so far out 17th ??? WOW

He'll play this year, big body, big upside a sure thing.

Ok Carter came in the mix ... I'll give you that but 17th.

Just curious to see why ... I wanna get your opinion on this prospect.
July 11, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
Slifverberg Big Ev - my adjustments (that I should have done this month, but missed it) would place him around 102.
July 11, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Ellis vs. Elliot - I think Ellis will take longer getting to where you need him. Both elite upside though.

Dean - Filatov you can always drop and replace next year. There's value in knowing here and now what prospect you have, and he's a superstar or a bust. Colborne I just think his upside is close to Granlund's, and we'll know by October if he makes the team. Boedker, come on - the guy is a Coyote right now who will give your fantasy team 40 points. Righ now. But tomato tomatto, I keep repeating myself when I say this but if players are close in rating then an argument can be made for either of them being better, depending on what side of the bed you wake up on in the morning.

Jensen is 206

Silvferberg - massive oversight, you won't be so lucky next month Big Ev

Weber falls to 32. Not so much 'falls' as 'passed by new draftees with elite upside'. He didn't fall, he was just passed by the newcomers.



July 11, 2011
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mick said:

hawkdog
ellis vs elliot just curious on how far you think these 2 are apart in terms of talent/upside.

you have them listed opposite in your prospect report so am just looking for a tidbits on how you view the two.
You call one a potential superstar and the other a potential star.

I am assuming Elliot is high on this list due to depth at D Nashville has.

Thanks!

July 10, 2011
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Dean Youngblood said:

Dean Youngblood
... Interesting to see the new prospect rankings up after the draft.

I don't want to be too picky but I am surprised to see Granlund outside of the Top 10. IMO, he is a better fantasy prospect to own than Colbourne, Filatov and Boedker.

Good job though
July 10, 2011
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tradejunkie said:

tradejunkie
NJ? Where's Jensen slotted in right now?
July 10, 2011
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Big Ev said:

Big Ev
Couple of things I see that Silfverberg is still big time criminally underrated. Good for my drafts I guess smilies/smiley.gif. I know they are withing 10 points in terms of ratings, but there's no way anyone is picking Caporusso over Silfverberg. Caporusso's NHL future doesn't look great.

Roman Wick has bolted back to Switzerland, so he is done as an NHL prospect.

I think Couturier should be classified as a "t".

Also, for a guy who was drafted over Couturier, Mark Scheifele is underrated as well on this list. But I get why you do that, in terms of trade value and hype, etc.
July 10, 2011
Votes: -1

loco man said:

loco man
Yannick Weber? Curious to know - What happened to Weber? I would have thought signing a two year, one way deal would ADD to his value, but I see he is now bumped off the list. Looks like a 2nd PP lock in Mtl.
July 10, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Knight - ranks 222
He's a local player (London - so local to me). Second line upside, three years away, Boston is too deep. On most teams he would be around 120th. Not this one. Talk to me about the Swedes and I'll listen, but steer clear of Oshawa or London players smilies/tongue.gif


Josi - 42
Forbort - 59

Jeff - excellent explanation. You totally get it, thank you smilies/wink.gif

Kris - yes, that's what I was recommending. He is a 100% NHLer and that counts for a lot. He is on a team with potentially elite linemates. That counts for a lot too. He takes a small hit this month because they signed Sullivan, and re-signed Dupuis and Kennedy.



July 10, 2011
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sentium said:

Dakkster
... Where is Jared Knight? There is no way he shouldn't be in the top 100. I missed him in the prospects report as well.
June 29, 2011
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Wotan said:

Wotan
Josi and Forbort Hi Dobber! Thanks for your work it helped me lots so far. I've got questions about two Ds: Where did you rank JOSI and FORBORT? Josi put up great numbers for the admirals, is he low on your list because of the depth in front of him (Weber, Blum, Ellis,...) or do you just think he doesn't have the tools? Last year I drafted Forbort as a long shot, I thought he was the Kings only real D prospect by then - but he isn't even mentioned in your prospect report any more - should I worry?
June 20, 2011
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Jeff said:

number54
@ Kris, RE: Jeffrey On Dobber's lists, players within 10 points are essentially a wash. Think of it this way: every pick between Jeffrey and Zuccarello Aasen is essentially debatable. Also, Dobber's ratings reflect both NHL-readiness and upside. So, Jeffrey's up there because he's very likely to make Pittsburgh out of camp, but has a modest upside. Tatar, by comparison, is unlikely to get a spot in DET's top 6, but OOZES upside.

For my standard keeper, I look for guys within a 10 point range who are LEAST NHL-ready since they have the highest upside. Prospects are expendable, so I can fail a lot before one pays off. But, if you're in a league where you drop all but your top N players yearly, you can't afford to clog high roster spots with prospects who won't play. That's where "Jeffrey"s have value; they can be picked to fill a low roster spot and produce within a year, even if it's not at an elite level.

June 13, 2011
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Kris said:

4horsemen
Jeffrey Alright I used to think the crush on Dustin Jeffrey was just sort of a sideshow but now I'm flat out disturbed. Are you seriously recommending people draft him ahead of Nino, Kadri, Johansen, Granlund, Tarasenko.....my god I don't know where to stop. Common Dobber, we all know you have a huge Pens love afair but Jeffrey's not even the best prospect on his team. I guess part of me loves the fact that you're willing to publish such a bold prediction but another part thinks that new poolies using your list should be aware that it's really just a gut call.
June 11, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... damn, you just proved that I'm human! Naw, I caught the typo last week. It will be fixed in the updated Prospects Report too (it's right in the profile, wrong in the chart)
June 10, 2011
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sentium said:

Dakkster
... It's David Rundblad, not David Runblad. Half the damn population on the forum spells it Runblad now. Fix it.
June 10, 2011
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AFlyers66 said:

AFlyers66
Kitsyn Dobber, why the big drop for Maxim Kitsyn from 36 to 62?
May 20, 2011
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Uzair said:

Sportfreunde
Nino and Johansen At a quick glance, there's two players on here that are a little low. Johansen and Nino would be in the top 10 of most lists and that includes fantasy ones. They're both expected to come to the NHL next year, Nino isn't a power forward but he can drive to the net hard and Johansen has power forward potential, both these guys can be great options for fantasy points. They should certainly be ahead of Jeffrey or Tatar.

Also another guy who's too low on this list is Washington Capitals forward Marcus Johansson who was the 3rd line centre and even played on the 1st line for part of the playoffs towards the end. Don't be surprised to see him on the 2nd line next year at some point, he has the same skill set as Backstrom.

As far as dmen go, I'm not sure about having Blum and Franson ahead of Hamonic/Elliot let alone their teammate Ellis. Franson isn't a prospect anymore but neither of those guys are breaking 40 points this year or next unless Nashville gets some offense. Hamonic is an excellent fantasy option because he led NYI in hits this year I believe and put up a good number of points despite only playing part of the season. It's very likely that he plays top pairing minutes next year as well with Streit as he did this year with MacDonald.
May 12, 2011
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Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... Saw your comment on Silfverberg from April. I honestly think he has a chance to make the Sens this season, if he signs an ELC that is. If not, definitely next year. He appears to be NHL ready or close to it. Two-way player who goes hard to the net. He could be a nice sleeper very soon.
May 11, 2011
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Austin said:

austeane
Tanev Why do you say he has minimal upside... Good college numbers and as a rookie in the AHL led his team with a +7... Noone else had anything higher then a +2 and most were even or worse.

He displays great poise and has a large frame to put some muscle on. He also makes an excellent first pass and could turn into an Edler type player, calm, big, defensively sound, puck moving defencemen. The only thing missing other then muscle at this point is the shot but that can still develop.
May 11, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Pacioretty - was about to graduate him when he got hurt. Now I'd like to wait and see how he responds. Graduating a player is my own gut feeling. I could be wrong in your eyes. But I harken back to about three years ago when a Habs fan argued with me that Sergei Kostitsyn was not a prospect. He was a lock. Then, a month into the season, the Habs sent him down. Pac's injury did drop him down, and quite a bit.

Chrome and Firefox - I comment via Chrome all the time, and this comment I am posting here is through Firefox. So the browsers work fine.

Linden Vey - was on this list, you missed him I guess.

Graduates - they graduate and the number I post is the number they were at last month.

Doherty is 58, Gustavsson I think was around 43

Kuznetsov - I wish I knew, it would help me make decisions in my own pool. I'd say odds are 90-10 he comes.

May 10, 2011
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Trevor Czerwinski said:

Flying Polak
2 more questions 1) Am i missing something in Schenn's game that L.A eventhough they are missing Kopitar and behind in the series they pass him over. Why not give the kid a chance. (sorry if its off topic)
2) Where does Linden Vey sit in your picks and why. This kid ripped up the WHL (116pts, +37 reg season; 21pts +12 playoffs so far) Am i missing flaws in his game and does he stand a chance with LA considering Braden Schenn # 2 prospect can't break the line up. Vey is in my free agent draft pool and i'm wondering if he's worth a high pick to go after him.
April 20, 2011
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Trevor Czerwinski said:

Flying Polak
Doherty Gustafsson Just wondering where you rank Taylor Doherty and Eric Gustafsson. Doherty is massive and picked up his offence and Eric lit up the AHL.
April 18, 2011
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Adam Hathaway said:

ahathaway
Mistake in Ranking? I think there is a bit of a mistake here. You say that Ennis, Paajarvi, and Burmistrov were graduated in March and were in slots 2,3,4 respectively. Yet in the March column you have Schenn Boedker, and Colborne occupying those positions. Am I missing something?

P.S. For some reason I cant post here in Chrome or Firefox.
April 16, 2011
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Jeff said:

number54
@ Dobbs, RE: Kuznetsov I gotta know then -- where do you put the odds on Kuznetsov staying in the KHL when his contract runs out after 2011-12?
April 16, 2011
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Mike Long said:

mikelong11
Pacioretty.. *his ranking hasn't changed.
April 11, 2011
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Mike Long said:

mikelong11
Pacioretty I can't understand why Pacioretty is still on a prospect list, or how he's so low on it? He's basically has a top 6 and even top 3 spot in Montreal for years to come. I would understand if it was b/c of the injury, but his ranking has changed before or after then. Pacioretty is a 55/65 point player next year and ahead of him are 60/70/80 point players 2 or 3 years away.
April 11, 2011
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Elliott - moves up
Silfverberg - ranked 201, three years away
Ekholm - not ranked
Josi - 35th, behind so many other D in NSH makes it tough, but he's a great player
Tanev - minimal upside, not ranked
Connauton - 50th, three years away
Bowman - he's just developing slowly, the Canes still have faith in him, and not as a checker.
Geoffrion - watch him move up MY chart as well haha
Ross - I have Ross at 245. He's a LOOONG ways away. Maybe not from the NHL, but from contributing in the NHL. Power forwards take longer and he still has to fill out and add strength to handle the type of game that he plays at a higher level
Kuznetsov - I had him at 11 and that was a problem for you? The KHL is a serious risk. If he was in the OHL I would have him at NO.1 mark my words. I know he is the real deal.
Blacker - 69
April 11, 2011
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Chad said:

tryhard87
Jesse Blacker Just wondering where you have Jesse Blacker ranked? I seen him play tonight at the Bayshore and he looked awesome.
March 30, 2011
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Jeff said:

number54
No Lov for Kuznetsov The only knock on this kid a year ago was that he might not cross the pond, but having been drafted by the Caps, I cannot imagine that Kuznetsov would pass up an opportunity to play with Ovechkin. At this point, I would rate him as being at least on par with Seguin talent-wise, and subtract 10 points because he's playing in the KHL this year.

After that, I'd add 10 points to his rating since WSH has only one Centerman ahead of him in their depth chart (Backstrom), as compared to Seguin in Boston, who's buried under Krejci and Bergeron.

Kuznetsov has a better pace now, with his TEAM LEADING 32 points in 34 games at 19 years old, than Evgeni Malkin did at the same age (who had 32 points in 52 games). Not only that, but Malkin was playing with Sergei Gonchar and Petr Sykora that year. Kuznetsov, relatively speaking, is doing it all on his own. Personally, I think his long-term upside should be 90 points on a lousy NHL team, given his performance with Chelyabinsk Traktor.

If you don't like my Malkin comparison, compare him with countryman Tarasenko, instead. Kuznetsov has time and a half Tarasenko's points this season, and is a year younger. Compare their points at the same age, you say? Well, Tarasenko's 24 in 42 last year don't even BEGIN to match Kuznetsov's production this year.

This kid is the real deal. When his KHL contract is up I would all but guarantee that he crosses the pond. I don't know about you, but I'd want to be on the Kuznetsov train when that happens.
March 16, 2011
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Aaron Gaither said:

agaither2179
Bowman Dobber, thanks for prospect revamp; always a good read. Curious as to why you're so high on Drayson Bowman. I drafted him in my keeper a few summers ago and honestly can't find a reason to hold onto him (beyond potential spots opening up next year in CAR). In fact, I'm more intrigued by Chris Terry, who showed a better scoring touch in junior and has outscored Bowman handily so far in the AHL for 2 years. What am I missing??? Even hockeysfuture.com thinks Bowman will be a better pro...
March 14, 2011
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Hockey Hoser said:

Hockey Hoser
Brad Ross Just wondering around where Ross would be ranked these days? thanks.
March 12, 2011
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Bill Graham said:

BBoy
US Colege Star.. What say you re Hoby Baker winner Nashville LW Blake Geoffrion. Watch him move up on the Nashville roster chart. Plays both ends, can score and gets minutes. Poolers get find player.
March 12, 2011
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Uzair Siddiq said:

Sportfreunde
... The guy who I think is a bit too high is Bowman, what's he done to deserve that type of potential over Pacioretty or Dadonov? Some of the guys in that top 40 like Kitsyn or Bowman for example aren't gonna come into the league till next year while a guy like Butler is already here so if it is based on fantasy impact potential in the near future then shouldn't that be the other way around?
March 12, 2011
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Trevor said:

Brady19
UGH! I just gotta say... As much as I agree with a lot of the guys you massively bumped up... I'm quite upset because I had them on my list of late round steals for this coming summer.

Now if Maxim Kitsyn is ranked at 36, Caron at 40, Toffoli at 22... Gonna be a lot tougher. smilies/tongue.gif
March 10, 2011
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Austin said:

austeane
... Wondering if it time that Tanev gets added on somewhere on here. He reminds me of a young Edler and has incredible poise. His play has shot incredibly high in the last year and continues to get continually better.

Also just wondering why Connauton is not on there? Future PPQB
March 10, 2011
Votes: +0

gilbert cloutier said:

bulldogs
... thanks dobber and i want to know whice upside you give to them ,, bert
March 10, 2011
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gilbert cloutier said:

bulldogs
silfverberg , ekholm hi what do you think about jacob silfverberg (ottawa) and matthias ekholm and roman josi from nashville

thanks for reading me
March 10, 2011
Votes: +0

studley49 said:

studley49
Excellent job, Dobber! This looks much, much better to me. I went through the list and there are easily 10-15 names that I saw on there that deserved a much warranted rise.

One thing I am curious about, though: how is Elliott only at 23 on D? I'm assuming this is due to the fact that Colorado has so much blueline firepower in the organization's depth chart. Then again, he's a defenceman who's scored 56 goals in his past 138 WHL games.

Cheers.
March 10, 2011
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Weal is 304 - size issues. Justin Azevedo and Colin Long also dominated in junior and look where it got them. But Weal at least was drafted fairly high so there's hope. But the wait will be looong.
March 10, 2011
Votes: +0

Reddawg said:

Reddawg
Jordan Weal Does Jordan Weal just miss the top 200 or is he one of those rare "slipped through the cracks" guys? Looking at his second consecutive 100-point season in the Dub, and this year he's doing it all by himself proving the folks who assumed he was riding Jordan Eberle's coattails wrong.
March 10, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Clitsome - 41st
Bickell - was an oversight for the last two months. He should have been moved higher. I graduated him this month, so too late for me to fix.
McKegg - was ranked a little too high, I adjusted him last month. He moves up again this month because I graduated so many and I felt the prior adjustment downwards in some areas was too big. I like where he is now.
OEL and Shatty - money in the bank. OEL has Norris upside, Shatty has Gonchar upside. Fowler I did not like how he dropped last year from potential 3rd overall pick, and then his plus/minus is so ugly. So yes, he'll get you 60 points in a couple of years...but not as many as OEL or Shatty.
McMillan - JUST missed this list last month at 190. He's there now, thanks to all the graduates, and tweaks.




March 10, 2011
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Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
Brandon McMillan This is the first time I think I found someone relevant not on this list, in my 3 years of following it closely, KUDOS Dobber for this sweet list.
Brandon McMillan playing for the big club, had a great World Juniors and just jumped onto my prospect list as I start to do my research for the upcoming draft. I however have had a love affair with Ducks prospects that never pan out. I went after Sexton and Ebbett in B2B years...So Brandon McMillan might project as a 3rd liner with good two way play. Still, he's got 17 in 41 in the NHL this year, 8 pts in 6 World junior games last year along with leading Kelowna in the season (67 pts in 55 games) and playoffs (15 in 12). If saku/teemu ever retire I could see Brandon getting a nice opportunity on the 2nd line with some PP time.
March 05, 2011
Votes: +1

frozenpools said:

frozenpools
... Hey Dobber, if you have a chance could you elaborate as to why OEL and Shattenkirk are ahead of Fowler?
February 14, 2011
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Kris said:

4horsemen
142-143 OK, so I'm rolling through the list and finding myself in complete agreement on some of your recent moves (Love Tatar in the top 10) then I get to 142 and 143 and I'm just puzzled.

Based on where you had Bickell ranked (in the 300's) I'm going to assume he caught you by surprise and maybe you're hesitant to jump him too high too quickly but I have to climb 100 spots on your rankings before I start to find players who hold the same value as him at the moment (He's essentially a Brower clone as far as stats are concerned). He's a top 50 guy no doubt, have you been watching Chicago play? He won't be an elite scoring talent but he's a great 2nd, 3rd line guy and he's already putting up very serviceable stats so what's holding him back? I'm compelled to point out that many consider Didomenico a complete long-shot at ever making the NHL and if he could ever put up the stats that Bickell is right now it would be considered an amazing success.

After the shock of seeing Bickell at 142 I then have to do a complete double take when I see that Mckegg has dropped from 99 to 143. Please explain? I haven't seen this kid play but his stats suggest that he's having another dominant season in the OHL. The only assumption I can make is that you second-guessed your bumping him up into the top 100 and simply made what you see as a correction.
February 11, 2011
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Kraftster said:

Kraftster
Clitsome With his litter run I thought he might make an appearance among the Dmen. Is it the presence of Moore long-term or the lack of an offensive pedigree that is keeping him off? Something else? I'm just trying to get a read on whether this is just a brief little hot streak or something worth buying into in deeper farm/prospect leagues.

Thanks, Dobbs.
February 11, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Derrek - MPS is a better own than Schenn, Hodgson and Wilson. Not. Even. Close. Wow, I don't know how anyone can conclude otherwise. Schenn should be a 75-point player. Wilson's upside is around low 70's. Hodgson is the biggest band-aid boy this side of Gaborik. MPS can be so much better than any of them. If you find a player with the talent to perhaps get 90 points, then put him on a pedestal.


Big Ev - Runblad was 33 and Wiercoch was 23. Potato Potatto.


Thomas - Elliott was 32nd in January and rising. Pulkkinen is around 240


February 11, 2011
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Thomas Blain said:

tblain1
Pulkkinen? Teemu Pulkkinen not on the list? Curious where he falls overall for you. He was great at WJC (3G, 6A), and is more than a point per game with Jokerit. Looks like another potential Euro-steal for the Wings along with Jarnkrok (who you do have ranked). From what I hear Pulk has lots of fire power.

Also, Av's prospect Stefan Elliott on defense...where does he fall for you?
January 14, 2011 | url
Votes: +2

Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
... not my rankings, but I don't see MPS being better than , Schenn, Hodgson or even Colin WIlson who has almost 10 more points than him this year.
I know upside is a huge factor, but consistency, time to get there and a whole of other things matter. Taylor Hall on ur line is nice, but Wilson is goina be top line next year if they don't add a C.
January 11, 2011
Votes: -1

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... Why is Wiercioch still in the Top 30 and Rundblad isn't? Rundblad should be Top 15 and is a way better offensive prospect than Wiercioch (and he should be closer to the NHL than PW too).
January 10, 2011
Votes: +0

Brendan said:

deezy
Keeper League Question Dobber I am in a keeper league and an interesting trade proposal is on the table. I am a top 10 team (30 teams) that is very young. I have a proposal that would snd Kessel and Sharp away for Brendan Smith and Brayden Schenn and then we swap first round picks so I would get a top 5 pick in the draft.

What do you think?
December 29, 2010
Votes: -2

frozenpools said:

frozenpools
... Dobber: No I tend to agree with your assessments but I was just curious if you had any metrics or relied on opinions. I couldn't think of a reason why Skinner would graduate over Pajarvi when they have equal games played unless you used some kind of "number of games played with x minutes" rule that would imply the player is getting first or 2nd line minutes and is established as an NHL player.

I agree, just curious.
December 15, 2010
Votes: -1

TML said:

TML
Edward Purcell Who is Edward Purcell? smilies/cheesy.gif
December 13, 2010
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... mick - it's arbitrary, and depends on when I'm in the mood. Seriously. If I'm convinced that the player will NEVER be sent down again, then I graduate him. By "convinced" I mean "Bet $100 that he won't". I hate graduating someone and then have to put them back on a few months later (Brule, Turris, Boedker, S. Kostitsyn are examples of this)

frozen - see above. I may be 99% sure that MPS is here for good, but not 100%. You really think Skinner's entrenchment in the NHL is not stronger than Paajarvi's?
December 12, 2010
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... mick - it's arbitrary, and depends on when I'm in the mood. Seriously. If I'm convinced that the player will NEVER be sent down again, then I graduate him. By "convinced" I mean "Bet $100 that he won't". I hate graduating someone and then have to put them back on a few months later (Brule, Turris, Boedker, S. Kostitsyn are examples of this)

frozen - see above. I may be 99% sure that MPS is here for good, but not 100%. You really think Skinner's entrenchment in the NHL is not stronger than Paajarvi's?
December 12, 2010
Votes: +0

mick said:

hawkdog
prospect criteria curious as to how many games in the NHL before a player is ineligible for your list?

Our keeper league states 50 games and you can no longer keep him as a prospect.

So a guy like Demers has played 75 games and seems to have stuck in san jose, should he be on your list?
December 12, 2010
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frozenpools said:

frozenpools
... How does Hall/Eberle/Skinner graduate and not MPS ?
December 11, 2010
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Some answers over the last month (I love reviewing the comments the day I update the rankings, it guides me in case I miss adjusting a guy - so thank you):
Runblad was 44th last month, up this month
Leblanc is tearing up the Q and looks great
Skinner - I had him far too low after he was drafted. I thought he was years away. I was quite wrong about him in June, but reacted quickly as he slapped me in the face with his awesomeness.
Cowen - oversight, added.
Burmistrov - rising quickly
Nyqvist and Tatar - yes, what is holding them down the list is the wait time. But what keeps them up is upside and certainty. In the DET system, you know they are gonna make it. That's rare and valuable in prospects.
December 11, 2010
Votes: +0

Superchief said:

Superchief
Detroit prospects too high? I see both Nyqvist and Tatar in the top 40. Is this wise, seeing that the Red Wings are always very patient with their prospects?
Or do you believe they will start to make an impact within three years?
November 30, 2010
Votes: +1

Eric Large said:

0
... Where's Jared Cowen?
November 21, 2010
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lcbtd said:

germant
Just catching up . . . Just catching up on some reading and finally got around to the Prospect Rankings and the comments below.

Two things:

1. Sure Skinner is a fast riser, but have we ever seen somebody fall faster than Kabanov?

2. "and that is why you . . . rarely visit krishockey.com" - that humor is why I visit - thanks for the chuckle.
November 13, 2010
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SeaBass said:

BDog
Burmistrov Still no love for this 18yr old who cracked the Atlanta roster and managed to stay past the 10 game mark. I would be all over him before 20 prospects ranked ahead of him IMHO
November 12, 2010
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Princeton said:

Princeton
Curious I don't see Kevin Connauton on the top 30 defenceman ranking. Seeing as he broke Blum's records in Vancouver and is off to a good start in the AHL, I would have thought he would have a better upside than Alzner for example. Was this an oversight? Or is he just not thought that highly of?
November 12, 2010
Votes: -1

Stephen Kostoff said:

SK47
but i love it I gotta thank mostly you guys for me drafting him, so i am certainly not complaining.

I also saw the blerb they had on him at the draft show. Showing how strong, and why he is strong on his skates. I remember when Crosby was undressing my beloved sens they were discussing the same thing.

I realize he isn't likely the next crosby, but if he shares even one trait with the guy that is enough for me smilies/smiley.gif
November 11, 2010
Votes: +0

Stephen Kostoff said:

SK47
skinner Has there ever been a prospect rise this quickly Dobs? It seems unusual.

SK
November 11, 2010
Votes: +0

Chad said:

tryhard87
Louis Leblanc I see he moved up 22 spots. Just wondering if there was any particular reason for this big jump? Just because he's tearing up the Q?
November 10, 2010
Votes: +0

Big Ev said:

Big Ev
... No love for David Rundblad?
November 10, 2010
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Kris - you have to learn that in fantasy hockey it is to your advantage to draft long shots with high upside over sure things with modest upside. Why? Because if you're wrong (9 out of 10 times)you can drop him in a year or two and pick the next long shot. If you're right, then you have golden trade value on your team. Choose a player with modest upside who is going to the NHL and what you get is 'meh' reaction from other GM's when you shop him around. And yet, he's too good to drop so you're stuck with the 'meh'.


Makarov's KHL numbers are typical of most young Russian stars. In that league, teenagers don't get the ice time if they are on strong teams, as Makarov was. Anyway, you can read all the justification by myself and the other columnists in the last two Prospects Reports. A wise investment for you, given what you are saying here.

Poolies should be happy that Makarov is "here" because the main question mark with him was "would he come over?" The answer is - yes.

Since your post, I notice he has five points in eight games and a minus-2. Not bad for someone who has never played consistently on a smaller ice surface.

And that, folks, is why you come to dobberhockey.com and rarely visit krishockey.com
November 10, 2010
Votes: +1

Kris said:

4horsemen
Makrov ?!? Thanks for the response Dobbs but I'm really dumbfounded by this statement:

As for Makarov...were you asleep in training camp? He's here, and I think his upside is arguably superior to Morin's

Ummmm, maybe in an argument with someone from Moscow who hasn't watched hockey in....oh about 5 years! And I was paying very close attention to the Chicago training camp, the decision to cut Makarov seemed easy.

Why should any poolies care that Makarov is 'here'? He was a disaster in the KHL for two years then came over here with an opportunity to make a somewhat gutted Chicago team and failed to make that roster as a 22 year old. Now he's really showing us all what he can bring to the table in Rockford...... 5 GP 1G 1A -3 (2nd worst +/-on the team so far which is very bad news for a guy who now projects as an 'energy line' guy IF he makes the NHL).

Maybe what your list needs is another division called 'Dobber's Longshots' or 'Dobber's Gut Picks' because having a guy like Makarov ranked anywhere near guys like Granlund or Holland makes even Ecklund laugh

smilies/cheesy.gif
October 17, 2010
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Kris - yes for Jeffrey...maybe not for Tlusty. Probably not. But the one-size-fits-all formula is only so effective. Again - if the rating points are within 10, then you can flip-flop the prospects around as you see fit. It's really too close to call. As for Makarov...were you asleep in training camp? He's here, and I think his upside is arguably superior to Morin's. Max Pac...maybe not, but I don't believe in killing a guy's ranking based on one bad season.


Slufoot - Never considered Porter a midget...he's six feet tall! And Hensick - 5-10.

I do have a soft spot for smaller players, but they represent...what, four guys on this list? And give me a STERLING and his 1% chance of getting called up by the Penguins over anyone underneath him.
The exception, not the rule - of course they are the exception and not the rule. That was straight out of the Book of the Obvious Statements. But if ONE out of every TWENTY that I throw on this list turn into a Sullivan, then I'm thrilled and happy to include them and will keep doing it. Why draft a surefire NHLer destined for a career of 50-point seasons? I'd much rather own Gerbe or Sterling or Gamache and watch bust after bust slip through my fingers, occasionally striking gold with a Sullivan, Ennis and a St. Louis (both of whom I drafted). And don't forget - when Giroux was on this list he was 5-9 at the time.


My small player draft history (when they were prospects):
Sullivan, St. Louis, Reid, Sterling, Shannon, Gerbe

(missed out on drafting Gionta, Gamache, Ennis)

I'd do it over again. And if you don't like rolling the dice, I'll create a separate list just for you with all the surefire 40-point guys, with 10 guys at the top of the list who are surefire stars. Because that's all that your list would be without that "roll the dice" aspect.

Caparusso - I'll bet you $100 that you are right. Bust. But he stays on the list for that 10% hope. And 1-2-3 chances? Give up? Sullivan was traded out of New Jersey, set up to fail in Toronto playing with King and Domi...and then WAIVED. St. Louis did nothing in Calgary, and was blowing it TB for a couple of years before showing any signs. Giving up after just a few years is precisely what you shouldn't do.

I noticed that everyone shutup with the Sterling criticism finally in September. Gee, I wonder why... Imagine if I was right on that one, a full two years after someone spoke up, just as you did, about getting him off this list. Just imagine. It was that close - the head of a pin. And with the way Comrie is blowing it, if PIT keeps losing do you think they won't call him back up for another look?

October 14, 2010
Votes: -1

slufoot said:

slufoot
soft spot for midgets I don't usually chime in on these lists as they really are subjective and dependent on your pool settings. But month after month I keep seeing the inability to give up on complete busts who are vertically challenged: Hensick, Porter, Sterling, Shannon, and I'll be prophetic and add Caparusso to that list. These players get even less chances to prove themselves than most, so why think anything will change after 1-2-3 failed chances?
St.Louis and Sullivan are exceptions, not the rule.
October 13, 2010
Votes: +0

Kris said:

4horsemen
A few observations about October's rankings -Nice to see Cohen finally getting the respect he deserves!
-You've moved Morin up but would you really suggest people take Jeffrey or Tlusty ahead of him? He belongs in the top 30.
-Makarov's climbing again?!?! Why?
-Finally have MPS where he belongs...nice job
-Does Max Pac really belong in the top 30? I just don't see him ever developing into an effective fantasy option

That's all for now, love the list for the most part smilies/cheesy.gif

October 11, 2010
Votes: -1

john toner said:

broadway
Jared Knight With the recent buzz and article on Jared Knight, does he make this list if revised? If so, what #?
October 04, 2010
Votes: +1

denis faubert said:

dfaubert
eberle or hall in a keeper's pool which one would you pick first.
September 04, 2010
Votes: +1

remmalf said:

remmalf
Casey Wellman I can't find Casey Wellman from the Wild. Not yet rated ?
July 28, 2010
Votes: +1

Jon Dey said:

Sovereign
What, Jeff Skinner isn't good enough to make the cut? He only scored the highest amount of goals in the REGs and led for most of the OHL playoffs losing to Hall by 2 points, and was the 7th overall pick.

But, No, your right he isn't good enough to make 185 skaters.

Let me ask, who owns Greg KcKegg in there league? Or has no one heard of him and just think he has a snappy name.
July 20, 2010
Votes: +4

Ted Neal said:

Teddy300
who will get more points in my league D men get 1.5 fof every point and forwards just 1

Who should I take with my first round pick

PK Subban
John Carlson
or
Tyler Ennis
July 13, 2010
Votes: +2

fzusher said:

fzusher
Beleskey? What's with his big drop? Any news I am unaware of? Other big sliders like D'Agostini and Palushaj had rotten seasons, but Beleskey made exactly the kind of progress you could reasonably expect - managed to cement a top squad spot, and I don't think anyone should have expected him to make the top-6 right off the bat.
June 12, 2010
Votes: +2

derek said:

buck0198
MZA What do you think Mats Zuccarello Aasen's upside is?
May 09, 2010
Votes: +0

Rob Verhelle said:

Rob
Looking Good Deschamps sky rockets up too 160smilies/grin.gif, still....of the ones i know , should be higher than Legace Trotter and definately Chipchura who is the forth center in Anaheim, but he cracks the list smilies/wink.gif
March 20, 2010
Votes: +0

tradejunkie said:

tradejunkie
Carlson/Karlsson So, how does Karlsson (1) rank higher than Carlson (2) on the prospects chart, but it's reversed on the "Top Defencemen" (62 vs 4smilies/cool.gif? How different is the criteria on these charts vs. the Defencemen lists?
March 18, 2010
Votes: +2

studley49 said:

studley49
... Thanks for the info Dobber!

Thought anyone looking here might find this fact about Brett MacLean interesting. In his last 24 games he has 8 goals and 17 assists for 25 points. Pretty impressive if you ask me.
March 14, 2010
Votes: +1

Carlos said:

Neves
Re: Alexander Avtsin Alexander Avtsin
2009-2010
MHC Dynamo MHL 12 4 3 7
Dynamo Moskva KHL 30 3 6 9
*I believe he was injured during the first round of the KHL playoffs, doesn't matter cause Dynamo Moskva have been eliminated.
March 14, 2010
Votes: +0

Bill Graham said:

BBoy
Alex Avtsyn - 2009 Draft Monteal. Hi Dobber, any chance of an update re Russian Alexander Avtsyn (#96 on list) who was drafted by Montreal 2009. Can't find anything on how and where he is playing this year. See you moved him up quite a bit, so you must have something on him. Thanks.
March 14, 2010 | url
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Here are the next d-men on the list, just missing this cut:
Hillen, Junland, Gragnani, Lee, LaPoint, Gunnarsson, Josi, Voynov, Runblad

Here are the next forwards in order:
O'Brien, Hoeffel, Samson, McArdle, T. Smith, Palmeiri, Hanson, Drazenovic, O'Dell, R. Bourque
March 14, 2010
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Eakin - 241
Howse - 251
Hartikainen - 227
Kessel - not on the list of 120 d-man prospects who I track. Thanks for drawing my attention to him, I will add him and see where he pops out.
March 14, 2010
Votes: +0

Brendan Connolly said:

baconnol
Gustav Nyquist Hi Dobber, I drafted Nyquist based on your prospect report so I'm glad to see him moving up the list. Has something changed that made him jump from the 90's to the 30's? Thanks!
March 13, 2010
Votes: +0

Bill Graham said:

BBoy
Jeremy Morin Looking good Dobber. See Morin is moving up the latter. This kid just oozes talent. Natural goal score who isn't afraid to go into the tough areas to score. Atlanta has a real steal at 45th last years draft. He and Skinner (2010 draft) are just score, score with Kitchener in OHL. Go see them, and enjoy.
March 13, 2010
Votes: +0

studley49 said:

studley49
Missing the Cut There's obviously a ton more I could come up with but these are the biggest omissions I could come up with based on your list. I was just wondering where the likes of these guys are at compared to others amongst the plethora of NHL prospects.

Cody Eakin (F, WSH) - 46 goals, 86 points in 68 WHL GP
> the WSH factor helps boost Kugryshev, but what about Eakin?
Ryan Howse (W, CGY) - 46 goals, 70 points in 70 WHL GP
> CGY needs a guy with that kind of scoring upside to develop ASAP. smilies/wink.gif
Teemu Hartikainen (F, EDM) - 12 goals, 28 points in 47 SM-Liiga GP
> played very well for Finland at the past two WJCs, so I was just wondering what makes Sopanen a better Finnish prospect. Size?
Blake Kessel (D, NYI) - 8 goals, 33 points in 33 NCAA GP
> obviously only the top 30 d-men are shown, so I'm assuming he's on the cusp of making this list?

Cheers!
March 12, 2010
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Look at it this way Ryan - if he was still in LA, he would have dropped to 50th or worse.
March 12, 2010
Votes: +0

ryan harrison said:

Renegade
... No movement on Purcell even though he caught "lightning" and found himself in a much favorable position?
March 12, 2010
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Chris - haha - I just caught that myself, running through it. I was wondering why the hell he wasn't on my list and I added him. Turns out he was already there. At least my independent projections of him agree haha

Rob - no way Deschamps is in the NHL in two years. Not a chance. But he's steadily rising and you should see him appear on this list very soon.

Jake - yes, he's ready. Until the last couple of months, I wasn't 100% convinced of him not being sent down. Now I am very convinced.

March 09, 2010
Votes: +0

Jake said:

smack
Graduates I think Downie should have graduated by now.

Also, never knew Wandell had such a good upside. Interesting.
February 26, 2010
Votes: +0

Rob Verhelle said:

Rob
Deschamps ????? Where is the Top scorer of the Q ???, Nicholas Deschamps, he has the speed and now with the trade too Moncton this guy is burning up the league. With a NHL contract in his pocket I think Deschamps will be fighting for a spot in 2 years in Anaheim.
February 18, 2010
Votes: +0

Chris Lavell said:

ChrisLav
Morin Just so you know for next month, Dobber, you have Jeremy Morin at both 167 and 180 on the skaters list for February.
February 15, 2010
Votes: +1

travis grant said:

swazzy
Thanks Rossi - my bad right under my nose.
February 09, 2010
Votes: +0

Rossi said:

Dean Youngblood
Re: Swazzy Dobber does list the most recent graduates right before the posted list. Read through the first paragraph before the list and you'll find it theresmilies/smiley.gif
February 09, 2010
Votes: +0

swazzy said:

swazzy
... Thanks for the analysis...always a good read. I find it interesting to see:

Riley Nash sits at 129 --> 6'1 175, 14 pts in 18 games (3rd season at Cornell)

vs

Derek Stephan at 175 --> 6'0 175, Top scorer at the World Juniors this year, 31 pts in 25 games so far this year (his second year with Wisconsin)

I don't really see Nash stepping into the Oil any time soon, at least not before Stephan is ready in NYR...but your thoughts, not mine.

One suggestion - it would be nice if you could list/name the players that you have recently graduated.

Cheers
February 09, 2010
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Stewy - Kane graduated as a prospect in my eyes like three months ago...

Derrek - Lehtonen is ranked around 203
February 09, 2010
Votes: +0

Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
Mikko Lehtonen Was going through drafts on Hockeydb and saw this guy's name.
Then noticed he's doing ok in the AHL this year, and he was pretty close to Brad Marchand last year in Providence. I've yet to see him play, but did a bit more digging and saw that he played with Oskar Osala, who you have on the list at 116.
Maybe Mikko's upside isn't as high, but should this guy even be on anyone's radar right now, or is he just a late 3rd round pick by the Bruis that will never make a fantasy impact?
January 27, 2010
Votes: +0

Stewy said:

Stewy
Evander Kane Am I blind or is Evander Kane not on the list here? If I'm not blind, then why is he not on the list? Seems like he would at least be a top 5 guy!
January 11, 2010
Votes: +0

Bill Graham said:

BBoy
... Interesting you haven't pickup on Atlanta's 2009 2nd #45 pick LW Jeremy Morin.
He is playing with OHL Kitchener. Putting up pretty big numbers for a rookie. Thought his skating was an issue, but saw him play, and didn't see his skating as an issue. Check him out.
December 15, 2009
Votes: +0

kyle said:

little_boyes_semin
... Holy shit Benn is 20th among forwards in hits and 5th among forwards in takeaways.
December 14, 2009
Votes: -1

sentium said:

Dakkster
... Kris, you have to factor in time until the player breaks into the NHL as well. Tatar is a ways away still.
December 13, 2009
Votes: +1

Kris said:

4horsemen
Tatar Alright Dobber, I drafted Tatar based largely on your pumping his potential and this year he's exceeded the expectations of most and looks to be gaining momentum as the season goes on. He's been on a tear for his last 12 games and is more than holding his own as the youngest player in the AHL. So, how is he ranked 115 on this list???? I own guys in my keeper league who are ranked a full 60-70 spots higher than him and I wouldn't even hesitate to drop them for Tatar (if I didn't already own him). I'd go so far as to say that there are guys in your top 30 that I'd drop for him.

Common Dobber, don't waffle on this guy. You were bang on with your assessment of him but your rankings don't reflect this. Time to show some love!!
December 13, 2009
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Mason - not lack of love, Kruger slipped through the cracks. We're only two months into the season and some of the newly-surging European players I may not catch until January or February. I have him now, thank you.
December 11, 2009
Votes: +0

kyle said:

little_boyes_semin
yo How would you rank that top 5 three years from now?
December 10, 2009
Votes: +0

sentium said:

Dakkster
... It seems like most Devils fans consider Henrique to project as a third liner anyway...
December 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Henrique is 306 this month. Several years away yet, but I'll keep an eye on him. Other questions I'll get to later.
December 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Mason Black said:

lfchockey
No love No love for Marcus Kruger???

He's on pace for a N. Backstrom year at the same age in the SEL and leading his team in points by a fair margin and top 8 in league scoring
December 08, 2009
Votes: +0

Dave said:

mrmojorisin
Missing? Just wondering what the reason is behind Adam Henrique not cracking the top 215? He is 3rd in the OHL in scoring (on a high powered offense granted) but was also named to the short list for Canada's WJC squad. Did you just miss him or is there a valid reason why this guy has no prospect upside?

Thanks Dobbs
December 07, 2009
Votes: +0

Irvin Penner said:

preacher0072007
How many years?? Hey there!! I just took over a team in a keeper league that was last and the owner wanted to get out. I know that there is no hope for the team this year so I decided to rebuild. Have I done the wrong thing? Here are some of the players I now have on my 23 man roster. Artem Anisimov, Wayne Simmonds, Clarke MacArthur, Gilbert Brule, Sergei Shirokov, Michael Del Zotto, Daniel Girardi, Dmitry Kulikov, Zack Stortini, Evgeny Grachev, Anton Stralman, Eric Tangradi and Jeff Deslauriers. I have never been in a keeper league before am I doing anything correct? Will I ever challenge for a top spot with a team like this?
Thank-You
Irv
November 30, 2009
Votes: +0

Craig Maclean said:

notcraig
... 4+ years down the road, which dman gets more points? Del Zotto, Myers, Shattenkirk or Sangs?
November 26, 2009
Votes: +0

lanky522 said:

lanky522
Cody Franson I'm kind of surprised that Cody Franson didn't move up the list... he only has 5 points in 10 games and is seeing +2 minutes per game on the powerplay...

that's more than i can say for the vast majority of defenders listed ahead of him on the list...
November 11, 2009
Votes: +1

Andrew K said:

Veritas0Aequitas
Jeremy Morin Why no love for this guy? He's a pure goal scorer (ala Corey Perry) and tearing up Junior this year.
November 10, 2009
Votes: +0

BigP said:

hockeysmygame
Still alot of love for TJ Hensick? U really see him making an impact in NHL?
November 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
Tlusty Thx for the answer about my Tlusty question last month smilies/shocked.gif
How do you have Jamie McGinn behind guys like Ebbett and Tikhonov at this point?
Just because of potential upside? Even though McGinn's in the NHL for this year on the Sharks...
November 10, 2009
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... This month's questions:
GMW - As of October 10th, Shannon was a member of an NHL team and coming off a season in which he finished with something like 25 pts in his last 35 games. Considering half of this list will never be NHL regulars, I think 42nd in fantasy value is pretty accurate. No (November 10th) he goes down somewhat, but he is still in the NHL and that can't be ignored. At his age, Martin St. Louis' career high was something like 40 points. Steve Sullivan - not even that. There's no love here... just logic.
tradejunkie - good idea...but extra work for me that I don't want to get into at this time.
Graham - OEL was 59th in the October d-man rankings. We'll see where he ends up for November - probably up a little.
November 09, 2009
Votes: -1

Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
... In my Keeper Prospect Draft this year(points only), I drafted Jiri Tlusty. Two or three other people had him on their radars, however since then he's been undetectable. I', wondering if he'll return to his last year's form at any point, or if he'll be Rob Schremp/Tyler Bozak kind of guy... Maybe they'll wait on him for next year and he can play with Kadri??? I know he doesn't have the 9th best prospect rating anymore, is he going to fall further than 23rd next month and continue the decline is what i want to know. (4pts in 3 AHL games is descent, yet the terrible leafs haven't even called him up)
October 15, 2009
Votes: +0

Oiler Fan said:

r24532574
... So do you still see Sanguinetti as number 7 on your list of Top Prospect D now that Del Zotto made the team over him?
October 11, 2009
Votes: +0

Graham said:

hammer_nuts
... Dobber, when does OEL make the D-Man list, I would think he's close to where Gonch is ranked, Phoenixly speaking. This kid's a stud. Put him in your list now so you look like Kreskin after the WJ's.
October 11, 2009
Votes: +0

tradejunkie said:

tradejunkie
Goalies? Since you've got forwards and D broken apart so nicely, do you think you, Angus, or Justin Goldman could add a "top 20 goalie prospects" section?

You've got the goalie prospects mixed in to your regular rankings already, so it might be a waste of energy, but it just seems like this would be a nice spot to have a goalie prospect list.
October 10, 2009
Votes: +0

gmw said:

gmw
... Please. enough. ryan shannon needs to be in the 100's. not 42. enough with the shannon love. he's as marketable as bubonic plague.
October 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Questions from last month:
Tom - Colin Wilson minimal upside. He will not be an 80-point player. He'll be a two-way 75-point guy. His skill set at 18 is the same as David Legwand's (remember Legwand was drafted second overall? Nothing is a sure thing). Wilson is the most overrated prospect in points-only fantasy leagues. Don't mistake hype for offense. He is a great all-around player with no weakness in his game. But that doesn't translate to points. You can read all this in the Prospects Report.
Mark - Downie is horrible for points. Come on man. Against these players? He's always been a potential 65-point guy at best. Granted he brings monster PIMs to the table, but this chart doesn't measure that. See Clarkson, David; or Carcillo, Daniel for details.
bluejays - Still question Stalberg's ranking? This is why you come to dobberhockey.com - to set yourself straight!
Brett - That is correct.
Oilers Rock 99 - thank you.
October 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Tom said:

Haynes
Colin Wilson Dobber, you need to give us some logic on why Wilson is #32. This kid has dominated NCAA and WJC, was a high draft pick, is a ripped 213 lbs and is trying to make a team bereft of talented prospects. He even had a 3 point game against Atlanta the other day.

So what gives Dobber, have you overlooked this kid or do you find that maniacal grin of his just too off-setting?
September 26, 2009
Votes: +2

Mark Wilson said:

KoHolga
... So i was wondering why steve downie is so low on the list??? he has awesome hands and physical play to be in the nhl if he can get his head on right... so i was wondering why he is up in the 100s???
September 11, 2009
Votes: +0

sentium said:

Dakkster
... Stalberg has been dominant in the ongoing prospect tournament in Kitchener. His chances of making the Leafs out of training camp this season have gone from "pretty damn unlikely" to "quite likely".
September 10, 2009
Votes: +0

bluejays said:

bluejays
... Prospect rankings for September
Is there any reason in particular why V.Stalberg has jumped over T.Kennedy and C.Terry? Slalberg's upside was about 72 and these guys were 78 & 85? They are all around 1-2 yrs away. Just a bit confussed, has VT's upside increased?
September 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Brett said:

Dieselboy
Parshin Is the fact that he may never make the move to the NHL the reason Denis Parshin is ranked so low? Despite his small size, his wrist shot looks like it may be the second coming of Joe Sakic's.
August 31, 2009
Votes: +1

Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
thank-you although I disagree with you on both points (Beach and Butler) it is great that you take the time to respond to your readers
August 12, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
...
Not hard on Beach at all. Where would you put a player who may get to 75 points when he is 26, but until then will either be in the AHL or will post 30-50 points? He's no Bobby Ryan. Most power forwards do nothing until they are 26-28 years old.
Butler? He's ranked 58th.
August 12, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... 1) Dropping from 20-33 is not even worth a mention. From 12 thru 39 all prospects are virtually equal.
2) No and Yes.
3) Much better, in my books.
4) Time frame and size. The most talented RW on a team full of All-Star LW. You mix your questions into the same points...so my answers may not make sense. But the first sentence here was re: Schroeder and the second was re: Kugryshev
5) Palushaj has much lower upside.
6) Let's see how Kennedy does with Gerbe off his line.
7) Makarov - I believe so, but won't make the team. Still hoping for a trade here.
9) His team really sucks, which holds his offense down for the next three years or so.
August 12, 2009
Votes: +0

Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
2 questions?? a little hard on beach being so far down why no love ??? mand Chris Buttler (D) for buffalo is he just not that good or did you miss him???
August 11, 2009
Votes: +0

bluejays said:

bluejays
... 1) Caputi drops from 20 to 33. Any reason? I realize either he or Tang will win a spot and the ranking will be much higher once that position is won. Am I right?
2) Will Kane be a converted C (hurts my league) and is Joe Colborne on 2010 team?
3) Benn is 10-15 pts higher than MPS, Bowman and Tang. Is he that much better than those 3? I have them all close even though MPS maybe a yr later.
4) Why such a low rating on Schroeder? Is it b/c of his time frame (2+ yrs)? And why such big rating for Dmitri Kugryshev who is a couple yrs away and will have a very talented line in front? Seems to me Benn should be closer to those I mentioned, and Schroeder spread higher.
5) Landon Ferrero is 3-4 yrs away with a modest 72 up. Yet he's higher than Aaron Palushaj who may challenge for a top 6 this year. What's so great about Landon?
6) Why no love for Tim Kennedy? Huge upside, 1 yr away after Gerbe, and .92 PPG in the A already. Yet ranked next to Maxim Mayorov who is said to be 3yrs away?
7) Igor Makarov what is the deal? 32, 38, now 45. Is he coming over or what?
smilies/cool.gif Matt Beleskey is rated 62nd. A 3rd and 4th line player.
9) Jesse Joensuu at 79. Could he not be a future top 6 ahead of Comeau and Berg? Plus, he's NHL ready now.
August 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Pesonen was considered an NHL prospect until he signed in the KHL, so I removed him now. Yes, he just turned 27, but it's my discretion smilies/wink.gif
August 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Sanguinetti is older and I think could make the team. Del Zotto will end up being better, you just have to wait an extra year. But it's close, so the difference is that one year.
August 10, 2009
Votes: +1

kevinsrangers said:

kevinsrangers
... just wondering (as a rangers fan) is Bobby Sanguinetti #8-51.9 that much better than michael del zotto #24-39.7 or is there other factors involved ?
August 10, 2009
Votes: +0

wizworm said:

wizworm
... Dobber, have you given any thought to adding goalies to the prospect list? Maybe getting Justin Goldman to help out? I'm in a few keeper leauges and drafting good goalies makes a HUGE difference to your team. I managed to snag Varlamov in two of my leauges last summer before most of the other GM's knew who he was.
August 05, 2009
Votes: +1

Rad64 said:

Rad64
Prospect rating system Hi Dobbs,

Is there a top end limit to your formula since Filatov and Tavares are both over 100?

Any chance we can see the top 50 D prospects? smilies/smiley.gif

Thanks,
Rad
July 29, 2009
Votes: +1

Carcillo said:

Carcillo
Pesonen "The term 'prospect' is simply my opinion, and I followed no rules to say whether or not the player is actually a prospect other than age (under 27), and the player must belong to an NHL team."

Shouldn't Janne Pesonen therefore be off this list? He's 27 and doesn't belong any NHL team.
July 27, 2009
Votes: +0

tradejunkie said:

tradejunkie
Moller and Leino Hm, curious why Moller is higher than Leino on this list, but on the top 300 players list, you have Leino above Moller??

July 24, 2009
Votes: +2

donna black said:

Excelsior
Corrente Does Matthew Corrente have any fantasy value in a points only pool? His numbers haven't been that good except for his PIM's ( which aren't taken into account in this ranking ). He's in a great situation in NJ but I'm surprised at his ranking even though he is probably much closer to making the NHL than others listed.
July 14, 2009
Votes: +2

sentium said:

Dakkster
... How has Wilson "put up substantially better NCAA numbers than Jordan Schroeder (sic)"? In Wilson's first year at BU he got 12 goals and 23 assists for 35 points in 37 games. Schroeder, in his first year at University of Minnesota, got 13 goals and 32 assists for 45 points in 35 games. That's 10 more points in 2 fewer games. I'm willing to bet cold hard cash that Schroeder will outscore Wilson's totals in year two.
July 14, 2009
Votes: +0

Jeff said:

number54
What's with Wilson? Just looking at the company he's in at #29 on your list, I feel like he's not getting enough respect. Nashville doesn't exactly have a tough roster to crack and, in all fairness, he put up substantially better NCAA numbers than Jordan Shroeder (at #27). Moreover, Wilson did all that while the scouts were saying he was a great player in all 3 zones. This, to me, suggests that he's more likely to break into the NHL and put up better numbers than Jordan Shroeder, who's trying to crack a much better lineup in Vancouver at a younger age and considerably smaller stature (even undersized stature).

This isn't to take anything away from Schroeder, who clearly has great offensive instincts. Still, I'd give schroeder a min. of 2 more years before he breaks the lineup in VAN, mainly because of his size and room for defensive improvement.
July 14, 2009
Votes: +1

bluejays said:

bluejays
... I thought MPS was 1 yr too......

In regards to not being in a rink for 2 yrs.....What about Ferrero? He is like 3-4 yrs away and has much less upside, but is still ranked in the 60's? Van Rym has been top 10 for 3 yrs and we all knew he would be awhile, and then being a power forward, we knew he'd be another few years before fantasy worthy numbers, yet.....
July 14, 2009
Votes: +0

sentium said:

Dakkster
... Dobber, MPS signed a one-year extension with Timrå in February, not a two-year extension. I don't know where you're getting that two-year thing from.
July 13, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Schenn vs. Kane - I have Schenn as 99% certain to be in the NHL and reach his upside of 78 points. Kane I have as 78% certain to be in the NHL and reach his upside of 85 points. That certainty is your difference. Although, upon reflection I have bumped Kane up to 85% for next update.

Blue Jay - I love MPS, you are preaching to the choir here. The reason he is so low is that he is committed to Sweden for two more years. So if you own him, he will give you zero for two years. And is he really that low? For a player who won't even set foot in an NHL arena for two years...I think Top 45 is pretty damn good. Now quit nitpicking! LOL

What else...Avtsyn - HUGE upside, but will he hit it? Doubtful...doubtful enough to drop him in real drafts...but not doubtful enough to drop him in fantasy drafts!

Not too bad with the criticism this month fellas, I actually didn't mind explaining things. Keep it nice every month like this and you'll save me some anxiety! LOL
July 13, 2009
Votes: +1

Les said:

Khanadian
Avtsyn Just wondering the reasoning behind him being so high on the prospect list, but not getting drafted until the 4th round.
July 12, 2009
Votes: +0

Eric Daoust said:

ericdaoust
... Dobber: thanks for the heads up. Perhaps it is time that I buy your full fantasy package and get the full insight on everyone. I'll be taking care of that in the next couple weeks (traveling a lot right now).
July 12, 2009
Votes: +0

bluejays said:

bluejays
... To pick up on Randy Mollar.
I agree with his point. MPS was dropped to 10, but is that the excuse to drop him so much. After all Schroeder went what #22 and is ranked much better??? That does not make any sense. A 95 pt upside for MPS and 80+ to your guide, and MPS is drafted 10 picks better. I don't understand that. MPS was spoken so highly on this site, and now he's way down.
I too agree with Kane-Schroeder. Kane will be a 1st liner within 2 yrs. I would take him over Schenn and Kadri, yet why he's ranked so low, I have no idea.
July 12, 2009
Votes: +1

Glen Hoos said:

angelofharlem
Kane? Dobber, why the big difference between Kane and Schenn? From everything I've read, their potential is similar, and with the relative strength of LA's roster vs. Atlanta, it seems like Kane has a better chance of landing in the show (and in a scoring role) sooner than Schenn.
July 12, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... If I'm ever in a league that is so deep that Hillier and Parse are my best options...I would just say "pass" when it comes to my selection and save myself a possible hand cramp from writing a name down on my sheet. Nothing under the hood here!
July 12, 2009
Votes: +2

Eric Daoust said:

ericdaoust
... Just wondering about Hillier and Parse. I'm looking over their careers and I see nothing special. Hillier was in the ECHL last season while Parse is barely established in the AHL. Is there something under the hood about these two that make them legitimate prospects? I'm wondering because I'm making a draft list for a very old league (most of the guys in the top 215 are owned in the league already) and a good part of my draft board is based on these rankings. Hillier and Parse are candidates to be available to me in the middle rounds...
July 11, 2009
Votes: +0

AFlyers66 said:

AFlyers66
... Dobber, with your note regarding Dadonov's FLA signing, and Mursak dropping like a rock in the rankings, drop Mursak to pick up Dadonov and stash away in minors?
July 11, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Randy - why did he drop in the draft? That doesn't concern you? If he was picked fifth, then he'd be ahead of Schenn on this list
July 11, 2009
Votes: -2

Randy Millar said:

Hawkster58
Paajarvi-Svensson Dobber what gives with this guy, in the prospect you had him as thethird best forward available & Bugg him at #2...now Schenn is 25 spots higher and Kadri is even ranked higher whom you had at #9.

So what gives?

I know your a Leaf fan and all and it is Edmonton, but why such a drop so quickly? smilies/wink.gif

I drafted this guy on your advice and am concerned already...lol

Thanks and great job on the site...nice!
July 11, 2009
Votes: +3

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Cole is 39th. That's still quite good. Moller vs. Purcell, I still feel that way. My formula likes Moller because he is a guaranteed NHL. Purcell is likely...but not guaranteed. What else....Soderberg - don't overrate, Boston is deep even without those two guys to start the year. Hell Rickard Wallin has a better chance in Toronto than Soderberg does in Boston this year.
July 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Rad64 said:

Rad64
Ian Cole Hey Dobbs,

I read this kid, Cole, might be ready this year..no fantasy impact since he doesn't appear on your list?

Thanks!
July 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Chris J said:

loco man
No love for Soderberg? Surprised that Sods is so low. It looks like he is coming to training camp this year, and the GM said that with Krejci and Kessel out of action to start, he may be able to jump right in.

He has the skills to make an impact right away and it looks like he now has the oppourtunity to go with them. I may be drunk with expectations, as I just grabbed him, but I think he will make a splash if he sticks. And I think he will stick!
July 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Mike Terrion said:

eyemissgilmour
... very interesting !!! I remember a few months ago Dobber wrote that he would not trade Purcell straight up for Moller. Now he has Moller ranked slightly higher. I wonder what prompted that change? I'm not complaining since I own Moller. But the Smyth trade should have affected them equally, so I don't know why Moller vaulted Teddy.
July 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Ryan Lenethen said:

DarthVain
All that is Man! Well I protected Nikita Filatov from last year, and I did so horrible I get first pick which will be John Tavares, so my future is looking bright!
July 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Eric Daoust said:

July 10, 2009
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... FYI Vishnevsky is 31, Ellis is 37, Weber is 44, Salcido 34. Weber was an oversight, he should be around 30th for the next update.
July 10, 2009
Votes: +0
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