Dobber here - we are now migrating to a new server. This also involves a pretty kick-ass firewall. So no more crashes I hope. And the site speed should improve even more. Good things. Anyway, at some point between now and 5am ET there will be a five-minute window where anything new added to the site will be lost in purgatory forever. It's a very small window, but to be safe I'll hold off posting the ramblings until tomorrow. One or two forum posts may get lost because of this (if they get posted at the wrong time tonight), but we'll try to move everything over, and the move over any updates, and then flip the switch.

 

Something that was brought up earlier this week really irked me. Glendale councilor Joyce Clark referred to a few Canadian investors as “poachers”.

 

"It’s sited in a major sports and entertainment district in Glendale and we rely upon the 42 nights of hockey games to help to keep what we call Westgate healthy,” Clark said, “so that’s a major reason for supporting keeping the Coyotes in Glendale and in Westgate."

 

First of all, its 41 home games, not 42, so thanks for showing me that you’re a true supporter of the Coyotes and the NHL. Secondly, if it’s such a major sports and entertainment district, why the hell, on average, do only 12,000 fans show up to the home games when you ice a highly competitive hockey team (with quite a few six, seven, eight and nine thousand attendees sprinkled in there). If the team was in Canada it’d be sold out left, right and center. Hell, our teams can be 0-82 and we’d still sell out all of the home games. Thirdly, I understand that you’ve made a huge investment and have sunk millions and millions of dollars into building the new Jobing.com Arena and relocating the Coyotes from central Phoenix into Glendale, but it’s a sinking and hemorrhaging ship. According to Wikipedia, the Coyotes have lost well over $200 mil since the move from Winnipeg, and have lost at least $20 mil per season since 2001 and by far are the worst financial team in the league by a huge margin.

 

Face it, you’re pretty desperate when you’re paying a potential new owner just to help cover their annual losses. Any smart investor will look at this situation and stay far, far, far, far away from it. Why would an investor look at this situation and put their hand up to lose $10 mil this season, which is in addition to your $17 mil “subsidy fee”? You should be happy that there are even any investors willing to take this hemorrhaging ship off your hands, not condemning them.

 

The reason why they are “poaching” your team is because they can easily turn a sinking, hemorrhaging ship into a money making enterprise if the team is moved into a hockey “hot-bed” city. Just look at the Thrashers situation. They were a financially unsustainable entity in Atlanta, boom they get bought out, given a “relocation fee” and suddenly the value of the team increased 21 percent! Even Facebook going public didn’t increase that much in value over a year. So why are there so many Canadian “poachers”? Because they can turn a fledging enterprise into a money-making machine. That’s why!

 

You’d be better off letting the Coyotes go, while accepting a “relocation fee” of say $100 mil. Watch the NHL grow its wings in the US with much more national coverage via the NBC network, and hopefully get the NHL to expand back into Phoenix when the area/fan base is redeveloped in a few years’ time, which is basically applying the exact same situation that happened in Winnipeg to Phoenix. That makes more sense than to convince an investor too willingly to lose $10-20 mil year after year and hope that the fans will eventually buy in four or five years down the road.

 

I thought I’d look into the matter a bit more and this is what I dug up.

 

City

Avg. Attendance

Percentage full

NBA competition

  1. 1.Chicago

21,533

105

  1. 2.Montreal

21,273

100

  1. 3.Philadelphia

20,433

107.4

  1. 4.Detroit

20,144

100.7

  1. 5.Toronto

19,506

103.7

  1. 6.Ottawa

19,356

101.1

  1. 7.Calgary

19,289

100

  1. 8.Vancouver

18,884

102.5

  1. 9.St. Louis

18,809

98.2

  1. 10.Pittsburgh

18,866

102.7

  1. 11.Buffalo

18,550

99.9

  1. 12.Washington

18,506

102.7

  1. 13.Tampa Bay

18,468

99.9

  1. 14.New York Rangers

18,191

100

  1. 15.Los Angeles

17,920

100

  1. 16.Minnesota

17,772

98.4

  1. 17.Boston

17,564

100

  1. 18.San Jose

17,562

100

  1. 19.Edmonton

16,839

100

  1. 20.Nashville

16,690

97.5

  1. 21.Florida

16,628

86.6

  1. 22.Carolina

16,042

85.9

  1. 23.Colorado

15,498

86.1

  1. 24.New Jersey

15,396

87.4

  1. 25.Winnipeg

15,004

100

  1. 26.Anaheim

14,760

86.4

  1. 27.Columbus

14,660

80.8

  1. 28.Dallas

14,226

76.8

  1. 29.New York Islanders

13,191

81.3

  1. 30.Phoenix

12,420

72.5

 

It’s interesting to see the attendance numbers in cities where there’s competition between a NBA team with a NHL team.

 

Traditional sporting/hockey cities like Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, Boston, Minnesota, Los Angeles and New York don’t have a problem of filling seats even though they have competition. It’s the small market teams that are below the 40th parallel, while facing direct NBA competition, that’s finding it difficult to fill the seats.

 

Six (Florida, Colorado, New Jersey, Dallas, Islanders and Phoenix), of the nine teams that operate with a lower than 90 percent capacity face direct competition from a competing NBA team which could be one of the main reasons to explain why they have lower attendance numbers.

  

If I’m Gary Bettman I’d look into these stats and plan my next course of action accordingly. If he’s thinking of relocation, then teams that are struggling, like Dallas, Phoenix and the Islanders, might function better in a market where there isn’t a market-share situation with the NBA. Perhaps Seattle, Kansas City, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Quebec City or Hamilton would make great potential targets to “expand” the sport of hockey.

 

What’s the off-season plan for the Rangers? To be fair I don’t think they need to change all that much in order to compete for the Stanley Cup next campaign. The major pieces are already there, so maybe just some minor tweaking by adding some extra offensive depth.

 

According to Capgeek, heading into next season the Rangers have roughly $16.4 mil to spend. They have Ruslan Fedotenko, Brandon Prust, John Mitchell, Steve Eminger, Jeff Woywitka, Stu Bickel, John Scott and Marty Biron headed to UFA, with Mats Zuccarello, Micheal Del Zotto and Anton Stralman headed towards RFA. Only ones that I see re-signing with the blue shirts are Zuccarello, Bickel and MDZ. Biron possibly might be re-signed if they don’t find any of the other viable goalie options.

 

Now the interesting thing is, they do have a bit of cap space. The big question is what are they going to do with it? Brandon Dubinsky, Chris Kreider and a first-round draft pick have been linked to Rick Nash during the trade deadline and could be a possible option on the table on draft day. If the Jackets decide to take the Kings’ first round pick this season, and land the Rangers’ first round pick, it would give them four picks in the first 31 picks for the entry draft and five of the first 45, which could go a long way in helping to rebuild the franchise.

 

Landing Nash would give the Rangers a look of:

 

Gaborik – Richards – Hagelin

Callahan – Stepan – Nash

Anisimov – Boyle – Rupp

Zuccarello* - ?? - ??

 

Girardi – McDonagh

Staal – Del Zotto

?? - ??

 

Lundy

??

 

*There have been some rumors about Zuccarello signing with Metallurg of the KHL, but his agent has denied those rumors, but there has been some "discussions".

 

Which would be a pretty solid mix in the top-six in terms of offensive depth and physicality and perhaps enough to get them over the hump.

 

One of the main reasons why they didn’t get to the cup was their atrocious 1-8 record when giving up the first goal during the playoffs. Adding an offensive dynamo game-breaker like Nash into the mix could fix up that stat in a hurry.

 

According to Forbes, so much for the salary cap leveling the playing field in the NHL.

 

“More often than not, the teams that spend more will win more throughout the NHL’s 82-game season. Between 2007 and 2011, teams that ranked among the league’s top ten in player costs made the playoffs 82% of the time. For teams that cracked the top five in payroll, that likelihood of reaching the postseason increased to 88%.”


Interesting thing about that is spending more might get you in, but it won’t win you a championship.

 

“Once through the door and into the party, though, anything can happen. The team with the bigger payroll won just 48% of the 75 playoff series played over the last five years. Of the 20 teams to make a conference final since 2007, just seven have ranked among the league’s top five in player expenses, and several don’t even come close.”


This year proved no different as the Rangers, Devils, Kings and Coyotes all weren’t amongst the league’s top-five in player expenses.

 

“The last five Stanley Cup champions have averaged payrolls just 6% above the average team’s, and two of those teams actually kept spending below the league average (2007 Ducks and 2009 Penguins).”


This also fits the bill of this year, as the Kings ($63.7 mil) are 8.2 percent above the average team’s payroll, while the Devils ($61.7 mil) are 4.8 percent above.


So who’s the most and least “cost-efficient” teams in the NHL this campaign?


Efficient


Simon Gagne returned to practice on Friday. He hasn’t played since Dec. 26 after another experiencing another concussion. The Kings have plenty of great chemistry at the moment and I don’t know if bringing him in would mess with a good thing. I’d keep him benched.

 

Ilya Kovalchuk, Martin Brodeur, Zach Parise, Travis Zajac, Dustin Brown, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Jon Quick who’s the frontrunner for the Conn Smythe? What about Pancake Penner?

 

The area that’s going to determine the winner of the Stanley Cup will be the special teams. The Devils will pit their 18.2 percent PP efficiency against the Kings’ 91.2 percent PK ratio, while they put their 74.2 PK efficiency on the line against the Kings’ anemic 8.1 percent PP effectiveness.

 

Once again the team that scores first will essentially win the game. The Kings are 7-1 when scoring first, while the Devils are 8-2. However, the Kings are 5-1 when trailing first, but the Devils are just 4-4. The Devils will need to correct that if they are to hoist the Cup in two weeks’ time.

 

NHL.com has a fantastic breakdown of the Kings vs. Devils matchup heading into the final series of the season. 

 

Thanks to Modulok on the forums for posting this link. Eerie similarities between the 1993 Ducks and this year’s Kings. 

  

A new record will be set this year. Whichever team wins the Stanley Cup this year will be the lowest seeded team to ever win it. The previous record was held by the Devils when they won the cup as the fifth seed in 1995.

 

Breaking news Jamal Mayers re-signs with the Hawks at $600k for a season. 

 

The latest rumors have Zach Parise and Ryan Suter intent on signing together with a new team and determined to wear the same sweater. At least that’s what the Red Wings press is trying to spin.

 

Minor trade in the NHL today, the Bruins moved Zach Hamill to Washingtion for Chris Bourque. Hamill was once an eighth overall pick back in the 2007 draft, but hasn’t really gotten a full shot at the NHL level. He should get a bit more opportunity in Washington than he did with the Bruins. Chris Bourque absolutely tore up the AHL by leading the league in scoring with 93 points. He’s had a couple of cups of coffee in the big leagues, but probably will be a career AHLer.

 

Feel good story of the year, undrafted Phoenix prospect, Brendan Shinnimin was named CHL’s player of the year. He was passed over by all 30 NHL teams, as well all of the major junior hockey teams at his bantam draft, but has finally been rewarded for all of his perseverance and hard work.

 

He’ll follow in the same footsteps as Ryan Ellis, Jordan Eberle, Cody Hodgson, Justin Azevedo, John Tavares, Alex Radulov and Sidney Crosby.

 

Should you be so inclined, follow me on Twitter if you think that my article/tweets are useful.

 


 

Kings' Fans welcoming their team back from the Conference Finals, imagine if they won the bloody cup. 

 

 

 

 


 


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messierforlife said:

messierforlife
New Jersey can no longer use the excuse of the Nets as competition. Now that the Devils have moved to Newark and the Nets are soon moving to Brooklyn, it will become increasingly interesting to see if attendance gets a boost during the 2012-13 regular season, not to mention the ripple effect of possible cup title. (Even this finals appearance would normally trigger a ripple effect in attendance in most cities, in the following season, with a new generation of kids (hopefully falling in love with the team.
June 01, 2012
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Rollie1967 said:

Rollie1967
go Ma! I think we all have some idea of whats wrong with Phoenix Coyotes. As Ryan said- theyve had quite a few owners and potential owners walk away, the only one who got the boot- was due to him wanting to move the team! (Ballsilie) and the latest deal isnt done yet, and may yet fall thru.
Saying someones assumptions/facts are wrong- and then offering no explanation- is a douche move. stick to TSN- they love that crap on their boards.
May 29, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Phoenix Continued When it comes down to determining relocation, it completely comes down to attendance and NBA competition. At the end of the day, the NHL doesn't have a national tv contract, it doesn't draw in as much tv viewership as MLB, NFL and the NBA. So it relies solely on ticket sales in order to draw revenue. A large percentage of the NHL's revenue comes from ticket sales, so should the league look at situations that are unsustainable because they don't generate enough income? Yes I think they do. Should they relocate to areas that could generate more attendance in order to make more income. Yes they should. Should they continue to support a team that have proven over and over again that it isn't working? No they shouldn't.

There's a massive difference between Pens/Blackhawks and the Coyotes... Pittsburgh and Chicago have had a long history of hockey. When they sucked, yes the attendance numbers were bad. But when they are good, you'd be hard pressed to get a ticket to any of their home games, plus they have a ton of marketable players to get their fan base interested. Crosby/Kane/Toews/Malkin... those are all the poster boys for NHL games and the NHL itself. Who has the same marketability power of the Coyotes? Heck Doan probably will be out the door due to all this owner turmoil. Whitney, Yandle? OEL? Tippett should be your poster boy cause he's single-handedly saving your franchise.

A couple of things to keep in mind. First off the United Center isn't a two hour round trip for most commuters. It's easily accessible for their fan base. Plus they have a metro-population in Chicago of 9.8 mil people (1,318 people per square mile)... Pittsburgh, once again, Consol isn't a problem to get to and have a metro-population of about 2.5 mil (5,636 people per square mile), but the thing that works in their favour is that they have a 100% market share of the fan base. There is no NBA to directly compete with the NHL. Now you compare that to Phoenix, the location of JOBing.com arena is not ideal, the population is a bit higher at 3.2 mil, but it's more spread out (259 people per square mile) so it takes longer to get anywhere and they have the Suns to compete with for "fan attention".

The attendance problem was easily fixed in Chicago and Pittsburgh by icing a competitive team. The Coyotes have a competitive team and the fans still aren't responding. Which to me doesn't seem like a solution that would solve the Coyotes' problems...

I will be the first to say that I don't know the full story first hand of the entire Phoenix situation, but you being a resident there could perhaps shed more light into the situation and maybe we do have it all wrong and that there is a viable solution that would solve this problem.

But you've got to at least tell us what we're "misinformed" about and what your thoughts about this whole thing are.
May 28, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Phoenix Ryenforcers...

Now that's no fun, you can't come on here and just say we're all misinformed and "grossly incorrect, flawed, ill-informed, misguided and amateurish" and then just say you're not going to spend this space justifying it...

That's just like me telling off my students, but not telling them why they're getting told off...

If we are flawed or incorrect, where are we being mislead?

Cause everything that I've read says the Coyotes are haemorrhaging money left right and center and the the NHL has had to bail out the Coyotes organization year after year. Also there has been a new proposal from Glendale city council to actually use tax payers money to help supplement the losses of the team... Plus it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the attendance numbers are low... Last week I posted a picture taken from Jobing.com arena that was at best 1/10th full... If you do know something different do share, cause the Coyotes as an organization has been slammed, and there are serious doubts whether they can actually survive in Phoenix. I would honestly be delighted to have someone who's witnessing it first hand to chime in and let us know it isn't as bad as the media is making it out to be...

I will be the first to admit that I'm not a businessman, so I have no place to judge what they are doing is right or wrong. I do however am entitled to an opinion, whether it's right or wrong we won't really know until the dust settles.

With that said, intelligent business people do make silly ill-informed decisions all the time. If the Coyotes were as profitable as the Glendale city council makes it out to be, Moyes would still be the owner and wouldn't have had to sell the team.

Since the move from Winnipeg, the Coyotes have had Steven Gluckstern and Richard Burke, Steve Ellman, then to Jerry Moyes, then the NHL as owners of the team in a matter of 10 years... and as far as I can tell has never had a profitable year. Since the NHL has taken over, there have been multiple "interested" owners from Jerry Reinsdorf, Jim Balsillie, Matt Hulsizer and all have pulled out or were blocked... so obviously something's afoot here or else the team would have easily sold. How quickly did the Thrashers change hands after True North lost out on the Coyotes?

So do I think the Jamison group is a long-term fix to the problem? Hells no. The team will still bleed money, and will still need financial assistance from the league in terms of revenue sharing because the product itself is a poor product. There are numerous reasons why, the arena is too far away and inconvenient. There isn't a local die-hard hockey following. Phoenix is a "Suns" town. Phoenix residents barely even see snow, so how can they enjoy hockey a "winter" icy sport?

So what's actually getting Jamison interested is because the Glendale City Council is willing to use tax payers money to cover the losses. But eventually, if it costs Jamison money out of his own pocket, do you think that he's going to stick around?

The Coyotes should have left a long time ago, but what's propping them up is "tax payers" money given by the city council. The moral question is, should tax payers money be given to prop up a private enterprise if it's losing money left right and center and how much does it truly mean to the city of Glendale having an ice hockey team. If you can argue that spending $20 mil a year will help the economics side of things, then I would argue why do only a handful of fans show up to the games then? I can understand a city like Winnipeg using tax dollars to keep a hockey team there cause it's their identity, Canadian leave and breathe hockey, so losing a team would be devastating. When you say it has the same effect in Phoenix as it does to Winnipeg, I'd call BS, especially when 6000 fans show up to a hockey game. If the Coyotes left Phoenix there wouldn't be as much of an impact as a team leaving Edmonton, Calgary, or Ottawa...



May 28, 2012
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RYENFORCERS said:

RYENFORCERS
... Long time Dobber reader from Phoenix here. Love the site and the columnists.

However, I need to quickly chime in on this one.

Ryan: Your facts, assumptions, and sentiments regarding the Phoenix ownership situation are grossly incorrect and flawed. You, like many others far removed, take a 10000 foot view of the situation and think you can figure it out. I'm guessing you are basing your take on other flawed/biased reporting coming from cities who desperately want a team of their own. (By the way, I hope "insert Canadian city here" gets a team...the more hockey the better, in my opinion.)

The situation here is very complex with many, many moving parts and I am not going to spend this space trying to explain the economics of why the Coyotes in Phoenix make good financial sense to all key parties involved in the deal. But I ask you this: Do you really think that intelligent business people who run the NHL, the City of Glendale, and the Jamison ownership group would be working to hammer out a deal if it categorically means that keeping them is a poor decision? Clearly this is not the case. If it was, the Coyotes would have left a long time ago. The NHL and Glendale are familiar with the economics of the situation more than anyone in the Canadian media.

Your fantasy hockey takes are well-informed and intelligent. However, your take on the ownership situation in Phoenix is ill-informed, misguided and very amateurish. Did you really imply that Bettman make a relocation decision attendance stats and NBA competition? If the solution to this situation was as as simple as you are making it to be, both the Pens and Blackhawks would have left the league in the early 2000s when their average attendance was near league bottom.

I have no problem with people making a case that their city deserves/needs/wants and NHL team. I hope QC/Seattle/KC/Hamilton/etc get one. However, I think it is pathetic when people comment on the Phoenix ownership situation when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
May 28, 2012
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DuklaNation said:

DuklaNation
... Phoenix has poached several million dollars from other cities including Canadians via the revenue sharing system as well as the 'loans' they received from the league. Joke's on us it seems.
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Rollie I'm no expert at this, but I think if Vegas built an arena pretty close to the strip, or better yet just right off of it. I think it can work. There's so many visitors/tourists to Vegas each and every day, that it could be sustainable.

I mean you look at the numerous shows that are sold out each and every day. Surely they'd be willing to go to a game in Vegas much like they do for a show.

With that said, it ends up being transient fans cause the locals wouldn't buy into it cause it's not their team.

But I do agree with you in the other alternatives, a Seattle, KC, Quebec, Hamilton would all make sense.
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Tonyld15 You know what I think there would be many residents of Phoenix that echo your exact same sentiments.

The problem isn't Hockey itself, the problem isn't a lack of fans, the problem isn't Phoenix isn't a sports town, the problem isn't they have direct competition to the Suns...

From what I've read the biggest problem is that it's the location of Glendale arena.

It's like you said, people just don't have 6 hours of a day just to watch a hockey game. Especially not unless you're a die-hard fan.

The only thing is what can they do to correct the problem? Cause at this rate as far as I can tell Hockey is unsustainable at it's current form.
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Phoenix Now if everyone in the country can follow suit, maybe then they can support a team.

Maybe that's an alternative for the Coyotes. Free flights to Phoenix to watch a hockey game. That seems to make more sense than to give a potential new owner $17 mil to cover "losses". Surely $17 mil worth of flights would get people visiting Phoenix and bring in some tourism dollars as well.

You might be onto something!
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Bourque Great pick up didn't even think of that when I was writing it.
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Shinnimin I'm honestly not the best at prospect knowledge, pop over to Dobber Prospects and they'll give you a much better insight.

From what I can tell size has always been a problem for him. At 5'10" I don't know if he has NHL size to get him through, but then again size is what held him back at the Junior and NHL draft and he's proven us wrong.

Also keep in mind that he is an over-ager, he's 21 I believe playing in the juniors, so him notching that award is a bit different than Crosby doing it at 18...

Also the Yotes aren't the greatest at developing young talent quickly. They're the sit them in the AHL and let them develop for a few years down there first, then bring them up for 12-15 mins of third line checking duties...

So your time frame of 1-2 years might be a bit tight.

But I do see a little bit of St. Louis in him...
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
Rangers RE: Don Paulo

I think many would be in your boat, there's not a lot needed to be done by the Rangers they're a solid side with a great coach, maybe just a few minor tweaks, but if they wanted to make a splash adding Nash wouldn't be completely out of the question.

I think this year more specifically they need to build through the draft, they kinda had Vermette, Huselius, Umberger, Nash... all of those tweener 65 point upside guys, they need to really need to get younger talent and play those guys. With all of those tweener guys it really hampered the development of Brassard, Filatov, Voracek...

The only problem of adding more of those types if it continues the problem. They need high-end scoring someone who'll be a superstar and carry them they need a Yakupov. Getting a Doan would be great support, but Doan doesn't have long in the NHL and you can't depend on having a 50 pointer to lead your team in scoring... Not unless you have a Trotz, Ruff or Hitch at the helm anyway.
May 27, 2012
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Rollie1967 said:

Rollie1967
... @Nate: the Devils will barely be able to afford Parise, let alone Suter. As much as this long playoff run helps them- there are lawsuits/infighting amongst the owner/county and even if they have the capspace- they may not be able to spend money they dont have on hand. We could soon be talking about the Devils like we are the Coyotes now.
One downside of the Kings winning it all: this may solidify Bettmans stance that the Yotes HAVE to stay in Phoenix. Lets face it, if Bettman wasnt so opposed to them moving- and most likely to a more established hockey market, they wouldve moved years ago. Bettmans big plan revolves solely around a big tv contract, and for that you need big US markets playing. But hes been trying for that for over a decade- with almost zero progress. The NHL would be much better off financially if they moved Phoenix to a hockey market and fixing the Jersey and Long Island situations. Hamilton/GTA, Seattle,Quebec,Kansas are all legitimate upgrades over the 3 major franchises in trouble (once arenas are constructed). Vegas would be nothing more than Phoenix v2.0- it wont work.
May 27, 2012
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tonyld15 said:

goldenbrett
Phoenix Im a transplant to Phoenix, from st Louis. This is a fair weather town and most people are from everywhere else. They thought with people moving here or "snow birds" from cold weather states and Canada, that they would go to hockey games. This town is all about the Suns, they were the only team in town for almost 30 years.

They built this "sports complex" in Glendale to be the sports home for football, hockey, and spring training baseball. Football works since its one day a week. Spring training works, since those fans are in town from Chicago and LA. But hockey won't work. For the bulk of the population that would pay to,go to the games. It's a hour home from work. Then another hour to the game, not to mention its 50 plus miles one way. The land to build it in Scottsdale, where it's easy access, was donated, but Glendale tried to be big shots and paid the Money to build it, so they went there.

The other thing as a fan. If every season you want to buy tickets, but you know at season end they are moving for three years in a row. Why in the world would you plop down money to buy them. Hockey takes money and a emotional investment, but if they are on the move, why bother. I'm sure this same thing would happen in Canada.

Even with new owners, this is a sinking ship, for the sake of the players and the NHL as a whole, it needs to move to a new city.
May 27, 2012
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hawkdog said:

hawkdog
PHX A side not on the coyotes,
Its cheaper for Vancouver fans to fly to Phoenix to watch the Canucks, you can get a 20 dollar ticket plus they give you a beer and a hot dog.
May 27, 2012
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jer_33 said:

jer_33
... No mention that Chris Bourque will now be with the organization that retired his father's number.
May 27, 2012
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Excelsior said:

Excelsior
... "Feel good story of the year, undrafted Phoenix prospect, Brendan Shinnimin was named CHL’s player of the year. He was passed over by all 30 NHL teams, as well all of the major junior hockey teams at his bantam draft, but has finally been rewarded for all of his perseverance and hard work."

Does he have a shot at the NHL in a year or two? Upside??

May 27, 2012
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donpaulo said:

donpaulo
... thanks for the article. As a die hard born in Manhattan Rangers fan I can tell you that the fan base is split. About half want NY to make a free agent splash or a trade, while the other half want to continue the plan that has brought so much success.

Count me in the continue the plan, develop the kids which has NOT been a priority for the NYR over the seasons. I think NY bring back Prust and Fedotenko as they are Tortorella guys, perhaps Stralman too although alot hinges on Sauer returning to form. It didn't get much press but NY really missed Sauers strength down low and in the crease. NY was forced to skate a short bench and it wound up costing them the series against the devils. One almost felt sorry for Stu Bickel stapled to the bench.

And finally a comment on Columbus.

I keep hearing things about how the Blue Jackets are going to build through the draft this year. Haven't they been doing that since their inception ?

Columbus needs more veteran leadership who hates to lose and can show the younger players an attitude of winning and hating to lose. I don't think Cbus has done a good job of developing most of their younger players either so draft picks doesn't really look like the right answer for that franchise.

That team needs a few Shane Doans, Vinny Prospals, Kevin Bieksas plus Steve Ott and Steve Downie. The team would not roll over that much is for sure.
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
... Yeah I just think what a stupid situation this is... It was stupid of the NHL to expand into Phoenix in the first place without a plan of creating hype or developing fan base. They took the lazy way and thought if we brought the game to people, they will show up... Well tough lesson learned...

However they could fix the problem very easily if they relocate to a hockey hot-bed or at least a fresh market with NO NBA COMPETITION. But instead they have to continually prop up the Coyotes because the council wants them to stay in Phoenix or their multi-billion dollar investment in the "Westgate" district goes bust... The question is when is enough, enough? I mean the team itself is worth only $134 mil, but they're losing at a rate of $24 mil a season, so if my maths is correct, they'll last not even 6 years.

If I were a resident of the Glendale, I think I would be very peed off that they're using tax payers money to prop up a team that no one even cares about...

The revenue sharing should be going to small market teams to help them spend up to the cap so they can compete with the Leafs, Rangers and Caps... not to keep a dying franchise afloat...

You move them to Quebec, and suddenly a team that goes from $20mil in debt, could easily be like the Jets and actually generate money and hype for the NHL...

The Coyotes were very very lucky to go as far into the playoffs as they did this season, it saved their bacon for this season. I tell you if they end up like the Jackets and have a losing season, you can essentially kiss their franchise goodbye. Fans are struggling to support a winning franchise, what's gonna happen if they start losing...

Keep in mind he's been planted in a tough situation too. I mean even the toughest of plants won't grow if the soil that it's planted is bad... I think if he does go to a more structured system he does have game-breaking potential. It's just not as apparent in Clb than it would be if he was in another uniform.

If he is moved I'd expect him to certainly step it up offensively.
May 27, 2012
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UKflames said:

UKflames
Great read Great write up on the phoenix situation Ryan. Did this council women touch a nerve by any chance smilies/grin.gif If she was on my council I would tell her to shut the hell up. You don't go upsetting potential investors in a loss making company by calling them 'poachers', which business school did she go to??

When I read the piece on Nash I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic when you called him "...an offensive dynamo game breaker"? He is the go to guy in CMB but his best season is 79 points, every other season he is in the 50's or 60's, I wouldn't quite go as far an offensive dynamo.
I do concede your point that if he went to NY it would be interesting if he is re-energised by Tort's hard nosed style or it goes against the lazy ass time he has got used to?
May 27, 2012
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Ryan Ma said:

Maaaasquito
... Yeah that situation really irks me...

Any corporations that bleed that much money, basically would fold or make massive changes... the problem with Phoenix is that they're not willing to cave.

They've basically pierced their carotid artery and are losing a massive amount of blood, but the city council is basically saying here's a bandaid and some Tylenol you'll feel better once the blood clots while the doctors (NHL) are constantly giving blood packs to try to keep the person alive.

Eventually you're going to need to fix the problem by sealing up the carotid artery. Cause there's only so much tylenol and bandaids you can use to keep the person alive...

I can see where you're coming from, but perhaps it might be the environment that might be breeding his "laziness". I mean he's spent 9 seasons with the Jackets and he's played 1 playoff series. You can stick any one else in that position, and I think their motivation factor would diminish as well... Torts is a great motivator, and if Nash does go to NY, I think his motivation would be much higher in NY than in Clb.

If you read my ramblings yesterday, one of the areas where I thought NJ dominated NY in was "star" production. Sure NY had Gabby and Richards, but I think they need a third to really spread it out. Gabby essentially disappeared this series, so if they had a third, I think that would have covered for the absence of Gabby.

If you look at NJ, the "star" power there has been great. FLA series it was Kovalchuk dominating, the next it was Elias and Parise really stepped up vs the Rangers... So having a few "star" players that contribute could be the difference between winning and losing. That's where the Rangers got beat IMO.

I dunno I think it's mostly just the Detroit media spinning stuff and wanting both Parise and Suter.. but realistically they'd need $16 mill to sign both of those guys and that'd be a huge investment just for 2 players...

Jersey was in a bit of financial strife at the start of the year, but having this playoff run could solve a lot of their problems especially if each game generates $1 or $2 mil in revenue, but I don't know if it would be enough for them to survive long term especially when they're gonna hand out long-termed high priced contracts...
May 27, 2012
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Nate said:

Nate
Awesome Article Great read, and nice job particularly on the Phoenix situation. I couldn't agree with you more.

As for the Rangers, I don't see Nash being the key to that puzzle. He doesn't give it 100% every night and the Rangers aren't built that way. And while I'm on the topic, i'd even go so far as to say that's one big reason the Rangers lost to the Devils. You can't play a hard nosed balls to the wall physical style every night and not expect to get burnt out, no matter how much energy the coach tells the media you have left.

Suter and Parise to the Wings would make them an instant and annual contender. But if the Devils win the cup, who knows, maybe Parise signs there and then convinces Suter to join him?
May 27, 2012
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