The Detroit Free Press is reporting no suspension for Todd Bertuzzi. Well...

 

The Blues have activated Vladimir Sobotka from injured reserve, and Andy Strickland reports that Oshie has been suspended by the team for two games. No further details given.

 

Sooo is Teemu Selanne going to start aging soon?

 

Sooo is Nicklas Lid- oh never mind.

 

Selanne, by the way, had he not missed those eight or nine games, would have around 85 points right now and sit sixth in NHL scoring. Selanne had five points last night. Lidstrom's goal made him the first 60-point 40-year-old defenseman in history.

 

Last night I had my first baseball auction draft with the gang at DobberBaseball. Very interesting. I've managed to compete with them every year so far, so here's hoping for another good one. Pick up the DobberBaseball Fantasy Guide here.

 

Speaking of that, in the hockey expert's league I have clawed my way up to a tie for fifth place, which back in December was my stated goal. Once first is out of reach, all the other spots are just last place in my books. So I had to have a reason to go on, after sitting in 12th place - dead last - on November 24th with just 35 roto points. That's trades and waiver wire that got me up 31 points and in the hunt for fifth, proving to myself that all is not lost no matter how much you suck heading into December.

 

Corey Crawford got his 30th win last night. Can we start including him in Calder conversations yet? Or will he need 35? Skinner Schminner.

 

How's this for impressive - Wilkes-Barre Scranton set a franchise record for wins with 52. This is despite having their Top 7 scorers in Pittsburgh for a week or so in February, and several of those scorers with the club for a good month.

 

That guy who made it the "Big 4" back in November, according to many of you, yeah him - that guy who is better than Malkin (again, according to many of you)? He has 12 points in his last 19 games. Not the Big 4. Not the same ballpark at all. Now here's hoping Malkin - a member of the Big 3 - recovers fully for next year.

 

Johan Franzen returned to play 18 minutes Monday.

 

Alex Ovechkin returned to practice yesterday, although I'm sure he'll sit out another couple of games yet. Jason Arnott was also back in practice and he hopes to be back in the lineup by the weekend.

 

This morning we will hear word out of St. Louis why TJ Oshie missed practice yesterday. He was not excused from practice - he just didn't show. Oshie owners are concerned, as he was arrested for disorderly conduct once and being a minor in a bar once. So apparently he does enjoy his wobbly pops. Related?

 

Chris Vivlamore reports that Jim Slater, Freddy Meyer and Patrice Cormier will not play again this season for the Thrashers.

 

According to Rich Hammond, the Kings are trying to bring back Brayden Schenn to replace Anze Kopitar. However, the CHL and NHL rules governing this become more strict after March 1. So the Kings would need three more injuries to take place for the emergency recall to be allowed. Seems doubtful.

 

After tallying nine points in three playoff games, Rangers prospect Christian Thomas was named OHL player of the week for the third time this year.

 

The Penguins have signed undrafted college forward Paul Thompson to an ELC. He has decent size and tallied 91 points in his last 78 games (two seasons) for U. of New Hampshire. I would use this as a frame of reference - last season Bobby Butler, his teammate, had 53 points as a 23-year-old. This year, Paul Thompson has 52 points as a 23-year-old in the same system. Thompson is a little bigger. I think this is something that needs to be stuck on my radar, no question about it.

 

Interesting quote from Mike Comrie: "I'm skating pain-free right now," he said. "I haven't done that in a few years. I feel like I'm able to skate hard again." I would be lying if I didn't say this piqued my interest in him as a dirt cheap acquisition this summer (if he stays in Pittsburgh).

 

Heavy. Weight. Tilt. Koci vs. Parros:

 

 

Todd Bertuzzi will get suspended for this, come on:

 

 


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Chris said:

Dr.Smurf
Stop - Stammertime Stamkos netted his first goal in 2 weeks tonight (an empty netter, nonetheless). This'll be the opening of the flood-gates. Mark it!
March 29, 2011
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Zachary Boslett said:

Mr Pockets
Re: Wilkes Barre Wilkes-Barre has lost their leading scorer, Dustin Jeffrey to Pittsburgh since January 10th.

Eric Tangradi and Nick Johnson have been in Pittsburgh since February 2nd and are unable to return to the AHL this season.

And they are still winning.

Unknowns like Ben Street, Bryan Lerg, Keven Veilleux, Brett Sterling and Ryan Craig are carrying their offense.
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TML said:

TML
Re: TJ Oshie I guess in terms of Fantasy they do mean the same thing, but when you say he's suspended, it gives the impression that something pretty bad happenend.

From Friedman, "17. Cam Janssen let it slip on St. Louis Sports Radio 1380 that TJ Oshie's absence from practice was nothing serious (i.e., he slept in), which is a relief. But if you're the Blues, you've got to be furious. That's the second faux-pas in a year (Patrik Berglund) on a team that's disappointed since its incredible second-half run to the playoffs in 2009. They've already traded two major parts of that team - Erik Johnson and Brad Boyes - so John Davidson and Doug Armstrong clearly feel they didn't have the right group. Not smart at any time, but especially when there's a negotiation coming for Oshie"
March 29, 2011
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Katharsis said:

Katharsis
Re: TJ Oshie Not suspended, but benched for two games all the same. In terms of fantasy relevance, they mean the same thing - two games missed, no matter if he'll lose salary or not.
March 29, 2011
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TML said:

TML
TJ Oshie TJ Oshie has NOT been suspended by the St. Louis Blues.
March 29, 2011
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Sanstanya said:

sanstanya
Re: more on Crawford @ Guy

Yeah I recognized the inside-out-nature of that logic as soon as I hit 'add' but was already on my way out the door. Though even by using only top 6 forwards as the sample it still makes Grabner top 7% in goals and Couture top 9%. By that subjective way of comparing the forward #'s still appear more impressive.

Either way I think it just proves what I think we are both saying -which is that it is very easy to build a case using selective quantitative statistics that support whoever you pre-decide is worthy. There is a lot of arbitrariness to this and a huge swamp of muddied-greyness when comparing skaters vs. tenders in general.

Even amongst the forwards you can 'decide' in your assessment that goals are more important and therefore Grabner should be weighted heavier even though he has the fewest points.

It also comes down to what is the point of the Calder: is it essentially the rookie version of the Hart? If so It's probably only between Crawford and Couture. If it is meant more to recoginze greatest individual rookie development/success then it opens up quite a bit I think.
March 29, 2011
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Beejer said:

Beejer
Calder I think you have to consider Cam Fowler, PK Subban and Kevin Shattenkirk in the mix.

Therefore, I think out of the three... Subban has made the biggest impact in his club with all injuries to Markov, Gorges and Spacek. Shattenkirk has somewhat dropped a little lately just like the Avalanche dispite the trade and Fowler has the horrible -25 for a D-man.

Question... how many points does defenseman have to get so we can consider them for the Calder?

Honorable mention to Carlson... he could also be considered since he is such a great all around two-way D.
March 29, 2011
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Guy Incognito said:

Guy Incognito
Re: more on Crawford @Sanstanya: That's pretty much the point I was trying to make. I wasn't saying Crawford is head and shoulders above the others - just that taking a straight league ranking of 7th or 14th among 30 starting goaltenders doesn't take the numbers into context. So I took some forward numbers in the same context (or lack thereof) to do the same thing only turning the argument the other way. Basically playing devil's advocate.

With percentages, you're now comparing the forwards in the Calder discussion with roughly the top 360 players in their profession in the world (and a handful of fighters that can't play the game in any of the categories in consideration), whereas with Crawford you're looking at roughly the top 30 players in the world at his profession (I say "roughly" because some players in other leagues - skaters and goalies alike - could obviously perform well in the NHL). But this is basically what you were getting at in your penultimate paragraph in which you discuss reducing the comparable forwards to top-9 or top-6, which I think one has to do to be fair. (However, I don't get how reducing the pool size would improve the forwards' percentiles - surely 33rd out of 100 (top 33%) is a lower percentile than 33rd out of 360 (top 14%)).

Numbers can be presented in a lot of different ways and that's what I was trying to say. Those I presented (especially the exclamation marks) were supposed to be taken as tongue-in-cheek. The only context assumed was the context used by the post to which I was responding.

Opportunity, quality of teammates, many other qualitative things can also be added to the conversation when discussing which rookie has had the best season. In the end, there will always be significant disagreement because we're comparing apples to oranges - goaltenders and forwards do not have the same job, yet they're competing for the same award; kind of like when goalies get considered for the Hart Trophy.
March 29, 2011
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Chris said:

Dr.Smurf
Big 4 Coming Soon to the Big 5: Sedin (they count as 1)!
March 29, 2011
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Pengwin7 said:

Pengwin7
Calder 1. Couture, 2. Crawford, 3. Skinner
Been saying it for a while... this is the order.
March 29, 2011
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Sanstanya said:

sanstanya
Re: Re: more on Crawford @ Guy Incognito

I'm not even trying to make a case for anybody because I'm still on the fence, but just playing devil's advocate to show what you can do with stats to compare players within their respective roles (particularly since you quoted Crawford outcompeting 1/2 and 3/4 of his counterparts statistically but didn't mention similar comparisons for the forwards.

Among forwards only (allowing for being tied):
Skinner is 33rd in goals, 51st in pts
Couture is 16th in goals, 55th in pts
Grabner is 13th in goasl, 76th in pts
Crawford is 7th in gaa and 14th in sv%

At a glance obviously Crawford's #'s look pretty favourable. But if you consider that across the league there are up to 30 starting goalies and 360 forwards playing (12 per team), these numbers mean that:

Crawford is in the top 23% for gaa and top 47% for sv%. Doesn't sound quite as impressive.
Conversely:
Skinner top 9% in goals, top 14% in pts
Couture top 4% in goals, top 15% in pts
Grabner better than top 4% in goals, top 21% in pts

4th percentile means they are outplaying 96% percent of their counterparts in that category. That's pretty phenomenal.

I'm sure some people would even make the case to only compare the forwards to the rest of the top 9 in the league (or top 6 though that's really meddling) as those are reasonably the players they are "competing" with in terms of production, much like I excluded the other 30-ish back-up temnders. Doing so would only improve their percentiles. The case could be made that the top 9 (or 6) set the bar for points whereas all starting goalies are expected to post good enough #'s to win.

Just an example of what you can derive without context or any qualitative assessment. Generally, quantitaive analysis is really useful, but a bit like being colour blind if you think it's the grail - you're likely to miss part of the spectrum.
March 29, 2011
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Katharsis said:

Katharsis
Oshie According to this week's 30 Thoughts:

17. Cam Janssen let it slip on St. Louis Sports Radio 1380 that TJ Oshie's absence from practice was nothing serious (i.e., he slept in), which is a relief. But if you're the Blues, you've got to be furious. That's the second faux-pas in a year (Patrik Berglund) on a team that's disappointed since its incredible second-half run to the playoffs in 2009. They've already traded two major parts of that team - Erik Johnson and Brad Boyes - so John Davidson and Doug Armstrong clearly feel they didn't have the right group. Not smart at any time, but especially when there's a negotiation coming for Oshie.
March 29, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Best way, since there are more forwards than goalies so being 50th as a forward is like being 6th or 7th as a goalie, best way is to look at history.

How many wins have rookie goalies managed in history? Howard had 37 I believe. How many 58-point forwards win the Calder? Not many, but it happens. But the Crosby/Ovechkin year 58 points wouldn't have been in the top 5 rookies. In the Malkin/Kopitar/Stastny year 58 points would have been laughed at. Let's face it, it's a deep year for rookies...but a weak year for elite rookies.
March 29, 2011
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Guy Incognito said:

Guy Incognito
Re: more on Crawford @duducks: "Crawford's 30 wins are meaningless to me in any award discussion. First two stats you look at are going to be GAA and SV%. He ranks 7th in GAA, and 14th in SV%. 14th!" Earning a starting job where there are only 30 positions available in the league is a huge accomplishment by itself, much less outplaying 3/4 of the other starters in one stat and half of them in the other.

Let's look at the league rankings of some other Calder candidates:
Skinner 33rd in goals (tied with 5 players), 53rd in points (tied with 4 players)
Couture 16th in goals (tied with 2 players), 58th in points (tied with 2 players)
Grabner 13th in goals (tied with 2 players), 81st in points (tied with 7 players)
53rd! 58th! 81st!

Not that I actually have anything against any of the forwards in consideration. I think all of them are doing well for rookies. I'm just trying to show that it's easy to pick a stat and make the ranking look bad.

Also, just look at the difference in how things have gone when Chicago rolled Turco out there as opposed to Crawford. There's more than just a team at play in those wins. These aren't last year's Blackhawks.
March 29, 2011
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dave k. said:

dkilburyhockey
Dave Congrats on the acquisition. I'm not only a loyal Dobber customer, but a regular pay Goalie Post guy and a summer/preseason Geek visitor. One stop shopping is here!

A Stat I can't seem to find is cumulative games by position for forwards. Nash,Carter,etc are Yahoo multi position players. Knowing cumulative games by position would be a great way to judge keepers for next season?????
March 29, 2011
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James said:

jimywho1
re: more on Crawford 14th is pretty good for a rookie. especially considering that 14th place save % is his at .918%. he doesnt have to win the vezina to win the calder.

and getting a win has some meaning, cus when you're in a 0-0 game as a goalie, its all on you to stop the other team to help get your team that win.
March 29, 2011
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duducks said:

duducks
more on Crawford Wins is a stat more to do with the team than the goalie. I'll draft whoever is expected to get 60% of the stats next year for Washington just for the wins. It's a Team Stat.

Crawford's 30 wins are meaningless to me in any award discussion. First two stats you look at are going to be GAA and SV%. He ranks 7th in GAA, and 14th in SV%. 14th!
March 29, 2011
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Ross The Boss Palmer said:

Ross The Boss Palmer
Logan Couture Still my favourite to win the Calder. Simply because his output is directly related to the Sharks leading their division, a division with the potential to have all 5 teams make the playoffs. Without his game winners, they would likely be out of the playoff picture right now because of the lack of production for most of the season by his 'stud' teammates.

Not to take anything away from Skinner (helluva player), or Crawford, or even Grabner. Though for me Crawford has a lot to work with in front of him than Skinner does not have too much to work with. Grabner is obviously the feel-good rookie story of the year, it is simply my opinion that Couture's output and maturity have a much larger correlation to the Sharks regular season success this season more than any other rookie...
March 29, 2011
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duducks said:

duducks
Crawford != calder He's goalie on the reigning Stanley Cup Champions. A team that, while not expected to challenge for a repeat, was definitely expected to make the playoffs, regardless of who they had between the pipes. He's played well, but what he's doing in Chicago is nothing close to what Grabner has done the 2nd half on a horrible team, or what Skinner is doing as an 18 year old in Carolina.
March 29, 2011
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Greg said:

GregP
Schenn I heard on the Team 1040 out of Vancouver that Schenn is not able under league rules to join the Kings until the Saskatoon Blades are finished their season (including playoffs). The Blades are already up 2-0 in their first playoff series so the Kings will likely be golfing by the time Schenn would be able to play up!
March 29, 2011
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Dale McCarthy said:

digitalmonkey
Bertuzzi I say he doesn't get any suspension. All the reasons cited to clear Chara can be used here too.
March 29, 2011
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Kevin said:

mrmojorisin
Schenn Hopefully for the Saskatoon Blades Schenn stays in the WHL - they gave up a ton to get him from the Brandon Wheat Kings in order to make a Memorial Cup run. The deal involved the Blades trading their 2011 1st and 2nd round bantam draft picks, 2012 1st round bantam draft pick, 2012 1st round import draft pick, Ayrton Nikkel and Tim McGauley to Brandon for Schenn
March 29, 2011
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Is age really a factor for Calder consideration? As long as you are under 27, you are eligible. Eight goalie years is really just two/three forward years IMO, because let's face it - the average age of a goalie becoming No.1 probably sits somewhere around 25, whereas the average age of a forward becoming a full-time NHLer is closer to 22.
March 29, 2011
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HM870 said:

SixtyPercentOfTheTime
Lidstrom Lidstrom's goal made him the first 60-point 40-year-old defenseman in history
March 29, 2011
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Maximus said:

Mr Zizzla
Lidstrom 1st 40+ year old Dman to score 60 points.
March 29, 2011
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Maximus said:

Mr Zizzla
Crawford vs. Skinner Crawford is 26 years old.
Skinner is 18 years old.

Crawford has 8 more years of life, maturity, high level competition, and so on...

That's what tips the scales for Skinner.

8 YEARS!

Crawford also had a spot starts here and there to give him a taste of NHL life where Skinner came from the O and never looked back.
March 29, 2011
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BabyElias said:

BabyElias
Crawford vs Skinner I do not understand why Crawford is not in the Calder discussions everywhere. Here's my reasoning:

In 09-10 there were only 15 goalies to reach 30 win mark.
In 09-10 there were 24 skaters to reach 30 goal mark.

In 10-11 (so far) there are 14 goalies who have reached the 30 win mark (Crawford included).
In 10-11 (so far) there are 18 skaters who have reached the 30 goal mark. (Skinner 26 goals).

Crawford should get 35 wins.
Skinner is on pace for 29 goals (if rounded upwards).

I cannot understand why goalies, who are the most important players for the teams, are not valued enough in Calder discussion. There is now way somebody else gets it this year than Crawford.

I rest my case.
March 29, 2011 | url
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dennis said:

hannuemen
Lidstrom His goal made him the first 60-point defenceman in history?
March 29, 2011
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Shao said:

Shao
... Let's see how Bertuzzi's name and history (not the Moore part) save him from this. I am sure the NHL will go back to disappointment me with their wheel of fortune style discipline.
March 29, 2011
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