DobberBaseball's fantasy guide for 2011 is out!

 

Khabibulin and Elliott are facing off today - they are a combined 0-22-4 in their past 26 starts.

 

What to say about Teemu Selanne. The ageless wonder had four points against Calgary last night. He has 11 in his last six games. One of my all-time favorites (and I am sure this is the same for many of you) - I can't see him hanging the blades up this summer if he remains this effective down the stretch.

 

Corey Perry will break 90 points - pretty impressive considering Getzlaf's injury and the lack of depth Anaheim has up front and on defense.

 

In early January, I mentioned how Pat Kane was one of my picks to have a big second half (especially relative to his slow start). He played a ton of hockey last year - a full regular season, the Olympics, and obviously the Cup run as well.

 

Kane has 12 points in his last nine games and six in his last two. He's my pick to lead the NHL in scoring in the second half.

 

Per the comments section below: On the Forecaster, Haley is now on a season pace of 28 goals and 1092 PIM in 28 games. How's that for fantasy value ...

 

Dobber: see my Saturday THN column here.


I'm also very excited to announce that in this week's edition of The Hockey News ("Trade'Em!), our own Matt Bugg has a well-written and well-researched article on page 40 called "Dollars and Shame", about a young star on the rise...but things came crashing down. Nice work Bugg!

 

Andy McDonald has four points in four games since returning from injury.

 

Cal Clutterbuck is on pace for close to 25 goals and over 200 shots. If your league counts hits, he suddently becomes a very, very valuable player to own.

 

Evander Kane had three points last night, and he now has six in his last four games.

 

Peter Forsberg was pointless in just under 18 minutes of ice time in his season debut. The Avalanche are reeling.

 

Make sure you check out Brent Lemon’s Puck Daddy piece from Thursday here.

 

Andrew Ladd has two points in his last nine contests.

 

Jiri Hudler has nine points in his last nine games (to be fair six of those points have come in two of the games).

 

Dan Cleary had a goal and a helper – he is a notoriously streaky producer, so look for him to take off over the next few weeks. He has been finding his legs over the last week since returning from injury.

 

Another night, another Ilya Kovalchuk game-winner. The red-hot Devils snuck by San Jose. Kovalchuk and Brian Rolston both continued their strong play with goals – we were expecting/hoping for this from the $100 million man, but Rolston? When will it end?

 

Travis Zajac has seven points in his last five games. A late season turnaround, perhaps?

 

The Pittsburgh/Long Island game could probably have a set of ramblings dedicated to it. I’ll put it this way – a ton of fights, a few suspensions to come, and a lot of goals (especially from one team).

 

The Islanders had three pure goons playing – Matt Martin, Trevor Gilles (I am a better skater than he is) and Mike Haley (who?). Haley jumped Max Talbot and then went down the ice to fight Brent Johnson right after. Um… ok.

 

Gilles knocked out Eric Tangradi with a vicious elbow, and then refused to leave the ice as Tangradi was being attended to by the trainers.

 

Those who think it is hypocritical to call the Boston-Montreal game "old time hockey" and this game a completete joke, here is why I disagree. The Islanders dressed three goons with a clear purpose in mind. The Boston/Montreal game was emotional and the battles were fought between actual hockey players, not sideshow freaks like Trevor Gilles.

 

Enough of me ranting!

 

The fantasy goods:

 

Michael Grabner’s torrid scoring pace continues. He has really found a home on the second line. He scored two more last night (his second straight two-goal game). As I said a few nights ago, he is one of a few players who can purely use his skating and speed to create offense.

 

Kris Letang had one point in his last 11 before recording a goal and a helper – missing Crosby much?

 

Travis Hamonic had a goal and two helpers for the Islanders (and 17 PIM). His play has flown far under the radar this season, but he could already be the best defenseman on the team (that doesn’t mean a whole lot, but it is something).

 

Dustin Jeffrey missed the game with a lower-body injury. He was placed in the IR so he will miss at least the next two Pittsburgh contests.

 

Moulson and Tavares combined for seven points

 

David Krejci scored his first goal in well over a month for the Bruins last night.

 

Dan Hamhuis is out indefinitely with a concussion. The Canucks will be leaning heavily on Bieksa, Ehrhoff, and the returning Sami Salo.

 

Cody Hodgson was sent down to the AHL to get some more playing time. He was pretty good in his NHL debut. Weak on the dot but most rookie centers struggle at faceoffs.

 

Tyler Seguin was a healthy scratch for the second consecutive game.

 

Kari Lehtonen with a spectacular save:

 

Matt Martin should get at least 10 games for this:

 

Trevor Gilles with a leaping elbow to Tangradi, and then he jumps him - I'd give him 15:


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Jeff Angus said:

angus
... Any time you can trade Kessel for something of substance, I'd call that a win!
February 12, 2011
Votes: +2

AL said:

grindin griers
Kane I appreciated the advice about Kane going to have a great second half. Although it may seem to be an easy thing to say because of Kane's past performances, given this season's situation (loss of depth and an ankle injury which can be nagging injury to deal with) I think Angus was sticking his neck out here a little bit and he has all the right to take credit. Plus I was able to trade Kessel and Rafalski for him in my one year league smilies/wink.gif
February 12, 2011
Votes: +2

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... -The main difference between this game and the Bruins/Habs game is that one featured the much-laughed-at Islanders sticking up for themselves against the league's marquee team while the other featured two Original Six teams furthering a storied rivalry. That's it. Pure and simple. It's just like all the sniping at Garth Snow after the Nabokov claim. When every other team claims a player off re-entry waivers, it's a smart move. But when the lowly Islanders block the mighty Red Wings, it's somehow bush league. I have no doubt that the Islanders' players will have the book thrown at them because they are a safe target for the NHL and everyone else to get on their high horse and feign incredulity over. But if you are calling for 10-15 game suspensions for Martin and Gillies then Matt Cooke should have a lifetime ban by now as a chronic headhunter looking to injure every chance he gets.

-Comparing what Martin did to Talbot to the Bertuzzi incident is ludicrous, unless taking a swing at someone from an oblique angle is somehow the same thing as jumping on a player's back and ramming his head into the ice.

-Teams always tailor their lineup in anticipation of the matchup. It's also silly to say that Haley is a pure goon when he scored a nice goal in the same game.

-I would expect a few other teams to follow suit and now kick the Pens while their down the rest of this season. Aide from being a very good team, they've been the most arrogant bunch of cheap-shot artists in the league for years, from Cooke to Crosby, and now that they are depleted it will be open season.

-This really is what the Bruins ought to have done last season, in their next game against the Pens after the Cooke-Savard hit.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +1

Pengwin7 said:

Pengwin7
. My mouse broke while scrolling down all these comments.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +1

Kevin said:

mrmojorisin
Angus' Kane prediction You arn't really bragging about calling Kane's big second half are you Jeff??? What's next, "I predict that Crosby will score a bunch of points when he comes back from his concussion"?!?! smilies/wink.gif
February 12, 2011
Votes: +1

lanky522 said:

lanky522
part 2 Mike said:
lanky522 is just butthurt over the Pens owning his Caps in the playoffs.


woops i'm sorry... is this all we're here to contribute? what a shame, I must be on the wrong site.

Anonymous said:
(1)I know that Lanky is a Washington fan and is a rabid Penguins hater. He's been spewing his uncomprimising bias on here for years now. Its best to disregard his statements for what they are than try and reason with him.

(2) It was quite clear that the Islanders dressed 3 goons with the sole purpose of doing stupid shit like they did. It's obvious that what Godard did was just as bad, but at least he's generally a roster player. It's a shame that the Islanders won't really get punished in all of this, because at worst they just lose players that they wouldn't have been using anyways.


(1)I really don't hate the penguins. I own a few of their players in a keeper league, and am really not concerned when they have success. Sure I like to root for underdogs, so in that sense I currently cheer against them, chicago, and detroit if given an opportunity... but I by no means hate any of them. Not at all.

It really is a shame when people on this site ignore or discount what you say just because they perceive you to have some sort of bias. I always read a post without looking at the name of the poster to be free from whatever opinion i might have about the way they view things. Many teachers in the world grade tests the same way. I feel that's the way to go. Perhaps you should try it... you might see posts completely differently when you don't shut yourself off to a certain opinion of the poster before you even start reading.

(2) Godard a regular player? Don't make me laugh. The only reason he may be in the lineup regularly lately is because the penguins are down to like 10 non-injured forwards these days. Look at his gamelog. He's only played 17 games this year and only 62 games since the start of the 2009-10 season.

Just for the sake of argument... Gillies has played 32 games for the islanders this year and Matt Martin has played 45 games this year... So if you ask me, Godard is the guy that was "dressed just for this game" and not Gillies and Martin. An argument could be made about Haley I suppose, but I don't really think he was a problem in the game. He fought a lot sure, but I didn't think he did anything particularly dirty.

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I don't know why I even bothered writing all this up... I'm sure someone is just going to bastardize my points can call me a hater. Like I said before... it's kind of a shame people can't read posts with objectivity before lambasting the poster.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

lanky522 said:

lanky522
part 1 Brayden said:
The Islander goalie is out because a Pittsburgh player went after him? Did you miss the part where DiPietro was skating out of the crease taking his gear off as he pointed down the ice at Johnson? He asked for it, he got it.

Did you miss the part where the Dipietro/Johnson fight occured not more than 20 feet from the islanders net? Dipietro didn't even cross his own blue line. Yeah... he totally sounds like the one who initiated/instigated the fight.

Excuse me, I've gotta get my eyes back... they just rolled out of my head.

Maximus said:
(1)You talk about Fleury smiling and laughing, what would you do in that situation? There hadn't been a goalie fight in sometime and the Johnson one punches the guy that started it all, that to me is HILARIOUS. ... (2) Proof that this is just hater BS, sneaks a Crosby jab in there when be clearly has nothing to do with it. I bet you wrote all this sitting at home in your Caps or Flyers pajamas. Crosby takes liberties? Yeah what a goon he is. ... (3)The fact that you appreciate the blindside Bertuzzi-esque punch is rather pathetic. I bet you thought Steve Moore deserved it too right?


(1) I wouldn't be smiling and laughing about a guy on the ice hurt. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the injury. So yeah... if you think it's hilarious, then well... shame on you... you disgust me.

(2) I really don't hate crosby. I own him in my league, I think he's a phenomenal talent, and I miss that he's not playing right now (for the sake of my fantasy as well as hockey in general).

I swear. You can't say anything about the penguins these days without being automatically coined "a hater." It's bordering on absurdity. What I said was absolutely true. From crosby on down through several of the penguins players... there is a kind of disrespect where many of them (not to the same degree as cooke) take liberties. Sorry if this opinion got your undies in a twist lol.

(3) way to completely misquote me. When did I say anything about the Martin sucker-punch that could be remotely construed as appreciation?

Re-read what I said before you quote me please.

Bommbastic said:
Goalie disputes are settled between goalies. Those are the rules.


Then Johnson should've stayed in his crease, left his glove on, left his mask on, and not done anything. Fact is, he didn't do any of those things, and was clearly looking for a fight.

Sorry. I disagree with you. Goalies aren't god. They aren't exempt from getting into fights with players other than goalies.

If he didn't want to fight, all he had to do was stay out of it. If you're a goalie, and you stick your nose in it... that's your fault.

Seriously... I can't stand when people don't hold players (goalies included) accountable for their actions.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

Hockey Insider said:

Chucker10
Pens/Isles Loved watching the Pens get destroyed by the Isles, in the fights and on the scoreboard. PIT had this coming, easily the most arrogant team in the league, and besides BOS, the most dirty. However take in to the fact PIT is the leagues favorite team, Bettman and Campbell will do anything to help the Pens win and have proved it numerous times in the past, I expect the Isles to get hit hard with suspensions, and like usual, many of the Pens antics will go unpunished.
February 12, 2011
Votes: -1

Jeff Angus said:

angus
... Patrick - I agree with your take. Don't really like Haley jumping Talbot either, but unlike Martin, he waited until Talbot was squared up at least.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

Patrick Nolan said:

IHeartHabs
... Everyone else has chimed in so what the hell, i will too. In general in pretty ok with most of what happened. The only things that bug me are Martins sucker punch(after the Bertuzzi thing the league HAS to throw the book at him),and Gillies, coming in with the high elbow which obviously rocks Tangradi, then jumping him and then when hes groggy on the ice Gillies stands in the doorway chirping him. What a piece of shit.

I'm ok with Haley going with Johnson, Haley's not going down unprovoked, my bet is Johnson think she turned into Ray Emery and was chirping. Im also ok with Godard coming off the bench. Of course its illegal, he knew he was going to be suspended, but went to protect his goalie....good for him. If he hadn't went everyone here would be calling Pittsburgh cowards for not sticking up for him.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +1

Kevin said:

mrmojorisin
Dollar and Shame Is it the Dion Phenuef story?
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

Ross The Boss Palmer said:

Ross The Boss Palmer
Not impressed Don't care who started what, both parties should be ashamed. I love hockey, but I do not care for the fighting aspect of the game. Should it be taken out of the game? Most people say no, yet if this is the result of it being in the game or called "part of the game" than it should not have any part in the game and should be taken out. Grown men acting like fools and cowards, encouraging violence and then calling themselves tough. Watch Datsyuk hold 5 guys off the puck as he stick handles and delivers a beautiful pass. That's what I call tough.

Quad Erat Demonstratum
February 12, 2011
Votes: -1

mick said:

hawkdog
nyi/pitts A few points i have on the game last night -

6-0 nyi after 2 periods, wow that was awesome and should have been the necessary payback.
you need to consider that the penguins bench laughed when johnson one punched dipietro
its to bad cooke wasn't playing smilies/sad.gif i would like to have seen him sucker punched.

WOW are the pittsburgh announcers brutal!!!!!!!!! Made it really difficult to watch any of this game - its ironic that they called the nyi an embarrassment to the league but nyi leading 6-0. Makes you really appreciate TSN.

Was just me or was there a lot less blood shed in this game than the montreal/boston game? thats the only difference i see in the two games.


February 12, 2011
Votes: +1

sheldon said:

golfguy1672
... If I don't see a few 20+ games suspensions come out of this game I will be embarrased for the NHL. Plain and simple
February 12, 2011
Votes: -1

Anonymous said:

Anonymous
... I know that Lanky is a Washington fan and is a rabid Penguins hater. He's been spewing his uncomprimising bias on here for years now. Its best to disregard his statements for what they are than try and reason with him.

It was quite clear that the Islanders dressed 3 goons with the sole purpose of doing stupid shit like they did. It's obvious that what Godard did was just as bad, but at least he's generally a roster player. It's a shame that the Islanders won't really get punished in all of this, because at worst they just lose players that they wouldn't have been using anyways.
February 12, 2011
Votes: -2

LuckyLuke said:

LuckyLuke
... I completely agree with lanky 522 - Pens got exatly what they deserve. And I won't even discuss Pens homers, who point out on Martin and than completely overlook what poor coward Godard did - two on one from behind, what a sucker. Johnson challenged Martin, he should stand up. And no, I'm not Pens hater, but I'm getting tired of their constant whining while being the dirtiest team in the league. And it's still discussion excluding Cooke, whose head should be smashed on the boards long time ago.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +2

JW said:

maya has the knife
Grabner To get back to the fantasy relevant stuff... Grabner now has 18 points in his last 14 games.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

DuklaNation said:

DuklaNation
... Pens have slowly become one of the dirtiest teams in the league. That should be obvious to all. The league has dropped the ball in handling the situation as you have seen an escalation of dirty hits. Downie's suspension was to set an example yet many players have done similar and received little or no suspension. Players have to take of business themselves. And last night is the result. I have zero sympathy for any of the Penguins. You live by the sword, you die byt he sword.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +2

Mike said:

Leafs2010
... lanky522 is just butthurt over the Pens owning his Caps in the playoffs.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

AFlyers66 said:

AFlyers66
... I watched the whole game on FSN Pittsburgh, knowing it could be quite the show; plus I had Letang, Macdonald & Konopka going from my roto team. It didn't disappoint. High entertainment value. Never flipped channels, watched every minute. Like a train wreck in slow motion over 3 great hours. At one point in the 3rd, I'm sitting there thinking, there's almost 200 PIMs in this game and my boy Konopka is playing like he's up for the Lady Byng. Then my three players rack up 12, 5 & 12 PIMs respectively to make my night. Watched all of the postgame stuff too (which Center Ice cuts off), very interesting comments all around. Johnson looked almost apologetic for the past week, saying something like "I feel responsible for most of this, with what happened last week, I set all this in motion...But we knew coming in it would be chippy, we were ready, it just went bad..." Bad for you maybe, Brent, great for fans of old-time hockey. Long live this past week, the Week Of The Line Brawl.

February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

Bomm Bastic said:

Bomm Bastic
What Lanky Said... "From all I can tell, Johnson asked for it, because despite Haley skating towards him (likely as part taunt, part heading to the box to serve his penalty), Johnson was removing his gloves well before any move of aggression on haley's part.

That's B.S., Lanky. Did you say that with a straight face?

Let me be clear, I am a fan of neither team. Could not care less if they pummeled each other into oblivion.

But to attempt to place any of the blame on Johnson is complete and utter bullshite. The game prior, the fight was betwixt goalies and settled. End of story. It's Johnson's not job to read minds or gather pre-fight intelligence into the intent of Dipietro. Dips wanted to dance - careful what ya wish for. Johnson hit him once, and stopped. Fair fight in my book. That's where it should have ended.

Now if the poor Islander's itty-bitty feelwings were hurt by all dat terwabble waughter by the naughty Penguins....fine. But that's a separate issue from the goalie fight, and in no way justifies Haley's clear intent of engaging Johnson in another fight.

Haley got what he deserved, by way of a two-fer. Goddard should be suspended for comin' off the bench, but I agree with his actions.

Goalie disputes are settled between goalies. Those are the rules.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

Mike said:

MaxPower
NYI/PIT The NYI/Pens game was ridiculous. That's not "olde tyme hockey" -- it's Slapshot-esque buffoonery. Though I admit I did very much want to see what would happen next. I agree with Maximus that the Habs/Bs game was more like old time hockey as it wasn't just a bunch of goons dressed for scrapping and "revenge" -- it was more the regular guys getting into it.

Godard (clearly), Martin (Bertuzzi anyone?), and Gilles (just a douche) should all be suspended. And Brent Johnson needs to cool it for a bit before we start talkinf about him in the same sentence as Hextall. Who was awesome, by the way.

Written in my Flyers PJs.

I wish I had Flyers PJs. That would be awesome. I have reached the age that I can appreciate PJs -- bottoms anyway. And not really for sleeping in, but for lounging about and writing anti-any-former-Patrick-Division-team comments about. So basically I think I want Flyers sweat pants, but made of lighter materials.

'nuff said.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

Maximus said:

Mr Zizzla
Haters be hating @ lanky
I would say about 5% of what you ranted about is actually good hockey talk.

The rest is Penguins hater babble.

As was pointed out, DiPietro started all of this last week. He made an attempt to take out Cooke while he skated by then the brought the fight onto himself. Not Johnson's fault he's made of glass. You talk about Fleury smiling and laughing, what would you do in that situation? There hadn't been a goalie fight in sometime and the Johnson one punches the guy that started it all, that to me is HILARIOUS.

Proof that this is just hater BS, sneaks a Crosby jab in there when be clearly has nothing to do with it. I bet you wrote all this sitting at home in your Caps or Flyers pajamas. Crosby takes liberties? Yeah what a goon he is.

The fact that you appreciate the blindside Bertuzzi-esque punch is rather pathetic. I bet you thought Steve Moore deserved it too right?

Your perspective on hockey is just pathetic. The islanders coach and GM should be fined for this as their intentions were very clear. Goddard will get his automatic suspension for doing what he is paid to do, protect his teammates. The fact that the isles started all of this without Goddard on the ice shows how gutless that team is. Pathetic display by the Islanders and Penguins, not to mention yourself too lanky.

Lanky, hmm, could you really be Matt 'baby Bertuzzi' Martin in disguise?
February 12, 2011
Votes: -1

fzusher said:

fzusher
One last point On the Forecaster, Haley is now on a season pace of 28 goals and 1092 PIM in 28 games. How's that for fantasy value ...
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

sentium said:

Dakkster
... I wouldn't call Matt Martin a goon. He plays like Cal Clutterbuck, a lot of passion, a lot of hard work and a lot of hitting, but I haven't seen him play dirty so far. He's a hard-hat player, a hard worker, but no goon.

With that said, that sucker punch, even if it didn't connect fully, was completely deplorable and has no place in the game. Weak, weak thing to do.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

fzusher said:

fzusher
Isles - Pens 1. The Pens are rapidly moving up the ranks of my 'hated teams' list, all thanks to their hard work. Philly plays dirty, but at least they don't whine when it's dished back at them, and they don't look down and laugh at teams they beat. The Pens play dirty and then go whine to the refs and the league for protection. I'd rather have no bullies in my kindergarten, but if I was stuck with the choice, i'd take the kid who bullies others but faces the consequences over the kid who bullies others and then goes hide behind his mother's apron. So I;m with Lanky here.

2. I also agree with Larry about Godard. He did what was part of his role to do - protect his goalie. He should get the full penalty of the law for coming off the bench to fight, but he's the one Pen, and the one goon, who comes out of all this with some class.

3. The Johnson - Di Pietro fight a week ago left a sour taste to me. If you look at the clip, RDP is laughing coming into that fight - like its a half joke, let's stage a little show for the fans kind of thing. Then Johnson gives him a rude awakening. Should Johnson have done that, or should he have taken it less seriously? Sadly, the fault is with RDP in my book. But I can understand the Isles being sour over Johnson over it.

4. That being said, having one of your enforcers go after Johnson is chicken shit - which is why Godard did the right, though illegal, thing here.

5. It is unfair to put Haley in the same category as Gillies, and Martin in the same category as Haley or Gillies. (disclosure: I own Martin in both my keepers). Gillies isn't good enough to skate a shift of actual hockey in a game you actually want to win. Haley and Martin are. Haley may not be good enough to hold a regular bottom-6 spot on a team that's trying to win, Martin is. Bottom line - Martin has the potential to be a legitimate NHL player (bottom sixer, but legitimate, and with offensive upside he needs to develop). Haley, from what I read, has the potential to become a dependable injury call up on the 4th line kind of guy. Gillies is a pure goon. Lumping the three together is unfair. Love the Gillies retro stash, though ...

6. That being said, Martin's sucker punch was chicken shit, and he should get a lengthy suspension for it. Angus is spot on here. I would gladly give the points I got off his PIMs in both my leagues because they're shameful points. Hopefully the kid realizes it was bonehead and learns from it. Enter Doug Weight, who, even though injured, is still supposed to provide veteran leadership and mentorship in this dressing room.

7. Gillies' hit on Tangradi was ugly. Him pounding on Tangradi afterwards is uglier. Should be rooted out of the game. Should be major suspension too.

8. It was important for the Isles to send a message to the Pens and others that they won't be laughed at. But this boiled over way beyond that and became a freak show. There's a balance here, and it was the job of the GM to remind players of that, and of the coach to keep this pitched right rather than boiling over. Instead, by the looks of it from the clips, the orders were 'target Talbot, target Johnson, hurt someone, fight anyone'. Have to be major fines here as well.

9. That being said, the Pens didn't help any by playing along rather than doing the smart thing and just focusing on hockey. Coach bears the responsibility here as well.

10. It's not that cooler heads should have prevailed and this shouldn't have happened, but cooler heads should have prevailed to keep this contained.

11. If this is old style North American hockey, boy am I glad that I only became a fan of North American Hockey less than ten years ago.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +1

Brayden said:

ether
... The Islander goalie is out because a Pittsburgh player went after him? Did you miss the part where DiPietro was skating out of the crease taking his gear off as he pointed down the ice at Johnson? He asked for it, he got it. For a guy with an injury history like him, asking for a fight is easily the dumbest thing he could have done. He should shut his mouth, keep his gear on and stay in his crease.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +1

Hockey Hoser said:

Hockey Hoser
... lanky522, thank you for your clarification. You bring up an interesting point regarding Johnson. The wrath of God is brought down on players for attacking goalies because well, if they get hurt they are hard to replace unlike players. For some reason, when two goalies fight each other its more acceptable because of the equal risk involved (unless you're Dipietro...honestly what was that guy thinking). But most GMs and coaches are praying hard nothing happens when goalies do get into it.

As for the rest, I couldn't agree with you more. On Haley, interesting prospect that just popped up on the radar. I looked at his numbers in the AHL, 22 pts in 50 games with 144 pims. If he could translate those numbers to the NHL, he could have some fantasy value. Worth keeping an eye out for those needing some PIMs from a player who seems to offer more than just knuckles.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

lanky522 said:

lanky522
Re: Hockey Hoser The Islander's franchise goalie is (again) out injured, because a pittsburgh player went after him.

If you say that it's known that if you go after the goalie, you get the wrath of the team, it should be more than understandable for Johnson to have gotten what he did.

Secondly. Godard is a thug, Cooke is a thug, hell talbot is even a baby thug. Crosby takes every liberty he can, Orpik throws big hits with reckless abandon, and Fleury just grins and mocks players injuries like the cheshire cat). I've got no problem with the lineup that the Islanders dressed last night, because quite frankly... they were really just matching up against the lineup that pittsburgh throws at them most games.

Finally, as for Haley, he actually scored a goal last night... so I'm not sure that he can really be put into the same class as Gillies and Godard. The dude is only 24 and has 22 points in the AHL this year. That's not really the sort of thing you see from "goons with no talent."

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Don't get me wrong. I don't approve of a lot of what happened in that game last night. All I'm saying is that it wasn't as one sided as people seem to suggest. There's a reason Pittsburgh had more players ejected by the end of the game. They were playing cheap (as they often do) too.

I won't condone what gillies and/or martin did, but it's good to see the islanders playing with some passion without caring who they're playing against. If they could always play with that amount of fire in their gut, perhaps they'd be in playoff contention right now. So yeah... pardon me for thinking that this sort of islanders team is refreshing to see.
February 12, 2011
Votes: +0

Hockey Hoser said:

Hockey Hoser
... No offense lanky522, but you just outlined one of the most f'ed-up mentality to possess in hockey. Old time hockey? That wasn't hockey, it wasn't even old time hockey, I think you're confusing the movie Slapshot for actual history. I'm not bashing the fighting in the sport but when you employ players who are strictly there to fight, it makes a mockery of the game. Give me a guy like Chris Neil who actually contributes in other areas over a guy like Boogard anyday.

It's commendable to send out side show freaks (and yes that's what today's goon is) to circumvent the rules of the game in order to exact some whacked out concept of revenge? And let's not confuse today's goon with yesterday's player. In the past, those guys could also play the game. And that's the difference. Today's goon can barely skate with the rest of the team.

You want to know why the score was one dimensional? Any hockey fan can give you the answer to that, I'm surprised you even ask. Oh and as for Goddard, I would've done the same. Call me a hypocrite for sticking up for the Pens goon but you don't go after the other teams goalie like that. I don't care what Johnson did. Anyone who actually plays the game knows if you're going to go after the goalie, you better be ready to take on the team.
February 12, 2011
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Rusty Pickles said:

Rusty Pickles
... karma's a bitch lol

lovin' the isles right now!
February 11, 2011
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lanky522 said:

lanky522
Re: Islanders comments p.p.s. look at 5:52 of that 17:03 minute clip posted below by Katharsis.

Blind side hit by orpik that was extremely dangerous. Looks like he got low enough that the head didn't appear to be the principle point of contact, but still... that's a dangerous, dangerous hit to make (he didn't even attempt to pull back on it or anything).

Now I understand that there was a lot of bad blood before that point in the game, but this is just another example here... the penguins are not some innocent victims that got beaten up by the big, bad Islanders' thugs. They were trashy in this game too. In my opinion, they asked for exactly everything that they got.
February 11, 2011
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paul said:

donpaulo
... that icelander penguins game was payback pure and simple, the Comeau hit was illegal by Talbot. The score, the fights and the hitting shows clearly which team wanted it more.

It was the game of the year for Long Island and Pitt rolled over in the first and can now go back to trying to win games and rest up for the playoffs.

The Gilles hit on Tangradi was head high and questionable, while Letang got a nice two hander from Tavarez earlier in the game at the end of the period that was whistled.

Its been brewing for LI since the Phaneuf hit on Tavarez earlier in the month and was mentioned as the breaking point. Well that and MAF smiling and yucking it up with Johnson after bandaid RP went down like a house of cards.

This was about respect and NY took matters into their own hands, the fans knew it and the game was pretty much sold out too. Good for NY. That team has had no spirit or real support for years. The players clearly went beyond the rules, but it was good for the fans to feel a pulse from their team.

haley (who) scored a beauty of a goal for his first NHL tally on top of giving Talbot a nice shot in the mush during the scrum in the 3rd. If you missed it do yourself a favor because Haley showed some nice hands on both plays.
February 11, 2011
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lanky522 said:

lanky522
Islanders comments I completely disagree jeff.

This is what happens when teams act like they're hot sh*t, treat the team that they're playing like crap, and have a genuine disrespect for them.

This is EXACTLY what old time hockey is. You act cocky, you act like you're superior, and you get your ass beat... in fights and on the boards. That's how it should be.

Whether it's the penguins or any other team, I think it's commendable that the Islanders sent a message that they won't be walked on, laughed at, or considered a "gimme win." They stood up for themselves... which is exactly what's important to see, and exactly what old time hockey was all about (making every team fight their ass off for every win).

You say that NYI dressed "sideshow freaks like Trevor Gilles," but if they're really that bad/one dimensional, tell me why the Isles didn't just beat the penguins up physically, but also utterly obliterated them on the scoreboard (when's the last time pittsburgh allowed 9 goals in a game exactly)?

P.S. It seems quite one dimensional to mention a likely suspension for the sucker punch on talbot, and not mention anything about how GODARD CAME OFF THE BENCH TO BE THE SECOND MAN INTO THE FIGHT WITH JOHNSON AND HALEY. Last time I checked, both of those counts are HUGE no-no's and very suspendable. Whatever Martin gets for his sucker punch, Godard should get double or triple for that stunt.

From all I can tell, Johnson asked for it, because despite Haley skating towards him (likely as part taunt, part heading to the box to serve his penalty), Johnson was removing his gloves well before any move of aggression on haley's part.
February 11, 2011
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Larry said:

Rollie1967
wow You wonder if Campbell/Bettman ever thinks..hmmm maybe we shouldve suspended Talbot for his blindside hit on Comeau?
That was a crazy game! Not a fan of either team- Talbot,Letang seemed to have learned a few things from Cooke-but the Islanders went way over board. Martins attack on Talbot-looked very Bertuzzi-esque (as did the scoreboard,the Moore/Bertuzzi incident happened during a blowout and again it was revenge on a missed/noncall by the refs and Bettman from another game).
Cant honestly say I blame Godard for going over the boards-just wish he couldve got a piece of Martin or Gillies while he was out there. But its an automatic 10 game suspension.

I'd give Martin 10-15 games, and Gillies 20. Haley (who?) atleast 1.
Give Godard a placque. AND FINE THE NYI COACH/GM!!
February 11, 2011
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Chandan Singh said:

csingh
... that 17 min vid was epic! basically covered everything!
February 11, 2011
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Jeff Angus said:

angus
... Blindside sucker punch. Who cares if he missed. The intent was there. This ass-backwards mentality the NHL has for punishing based on result and not intent is ridiculous.
February 11, 2011
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DuklaNation said:

DuklaNation
... Oops my mistake it was later in the video. A sucker punch. Still if Cooke got 4 games, then . . .
February 11, 2011
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DuklaNation said:

DuklaNation
... In the video we dont see the immediate start. What did Martin do? He went after Talbot who turtled and that was about it. Big deal. Was there a hit? If that 10 games, then there should be a ton of guys getting big suspensions every week.
February 11, 2011
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paul said:

donpaulo
... Hamonic and MacDonald have looked rather decent paired on the icelander blueline. They played well the night before against the Habs too.

With Streit returning next season and perhaps the improvement of Dehaan the icelanders don't look half bad on the blue line going forward.

now would be the perfect time for them to move to Winnipeg
February 11, 2011
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Katharsis said:

Katharsis
Isles-Pens Fights and Brawls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMana_bq1o

That about covers everything...
February 11, 2011
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AL said:

grindin griers
Wow Just got home myself and checked out the box score. Can't wait to watch it all unfold tomorrow!
February 11, 2011
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Brayden said:

ether
... Matt Martin, Michael Haley and Trevor Gillies. 'Nuff said.
February 11, 2011
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bill said:

kidd
... ROFL! love the boxscore comment, and bein a flyer fan, loved the box score even more!
February 11, 2011
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