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April, 2014. Comment below! Even if I argue the points you make, your comment still makes me take a closer look at the player the following month and likely make tweaks.

 

 

 

NOTE: These rankings only capture keeper leagues that are points-only, do not factor positions. They also give some value bonus (very small) to teams who have a bright future and a good chance of becoming/maintaining a big powerhouse in terms of lots of fantasy-relevant players.

 

Because there are so many different league types, one cannot satisfy them all with a single list. Factors taken into account: predicted points for the current season; age; upside; proven/unproven; team bonus (if the team is on the rise or consistently scoring a lot); proneness to injury; and the "name" factor (if it's a big name, he gets a few extra bonus due to the trade value boost). 

 

Hey - ease up on slagging me for: 1) Player A being ranked 10 spots above Player B when their "rating" is only 6.5 apart. Two players within 10 rating points are pretty much a wash and an argument can be made for either. 2) A defenseman (for example) who is great for penalty minutes and points being ranked so low (pay attention angry Zdeno Chara owners!). That is valuable in your league, but not for the league I described above (read "Please read" above).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
April Player Team DEF? Rating March Feb Change
1 Sidney Crosby PIT 272.0 1 1 0
2 Evgeni Malkin PIT 206.9 2 2 0
3 Alex Ovechkin WAS 187.8 3 3 0
4 John Tavares NYI 163.0 5 4 1
5 Steven Stamkos TB 162.6 8 8 3
6 Claude Giroux PHI 162.6 10 11 4
7 Ryan Getzlaf ANA 158.1 7 7 0
8 Nicklas Backstrom WAS 156.0 6 6 -2
9 Tyler Seguin DAL 148.4 13 13 4
10 Phil Kessel TOR 144.7 9 9 -1
11 Corey Perry ANA 142.5 11 10 0
12 Patrick Kane CHI 141.3 4 5 -8
13 Taylor Hall EDM 138.7 12 12 -1
14 Joe Thornton SJ 131.3 17 14 3
15 Anze Kopitar LA 131.0 14 16 -1
16 Jamie Benn DAL 130.6 16 17 0
17 Jonathan Toews CHI 130.5 15 15 -2
18 Matt Duchene COL 129.1 21 22 3
19 Erik Karlsson OTT y 125.8 22 21 3
20 Nathan MacKinnon COL 121.8 23 30 3
21 James Neal PIT 116.4 19 18 -2
22 Eric Staal CAR 114.0 20 20 -2
23 Jordan Eberle EDM 113.8 25 23 2
24 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins EDM 112.3 24 26 0
25 Joe Pavelski SJ 112.0 28 35 3
26 Chris Kunitz PIT 111.7 26 25 0
27 Patrick Sharp CHI 111.0 27 28 0
28 Martin St Louis NYR 108.5 18 19 -10
29 Patrick Marleau SJ 102.1 31 36 2
30 Kyle Okposo NYI 102.0 30 32 0
31 Blake Wheeler WPG 101.5 35 39 4
32 Gabriel Landeskog COL 100.8 32 53 0
33 Jason Spezza OTT 100.0 34 38 1
34 Thomas Vanek MTL 99.4 40 41 6
35 James van Riemsdyk TOR 98.1 29 34 -6
36 David Krejci BOS 98.0 41 42 5
37 Zach Parise MIN 97.5 38 37 1
38 Alexander Steen STL 94.0 45 40 7
39 T.J. Oshie STL 93.9 47 47 8
40 Jakub Voracek PHI 91.6 48 45 8
41 Logan Couture SJ 91.0 44 44 3
42 Duncan Keith CHI y 90.9 42 43 0
43 Derek Stepan NYR 89.1 50 50 7
44 Alex Pietrangelo STL y 87.8 52 55 8
45 Bobby Ryan OTT 87.7 37 27 -8
46 Jarome Iginla BOS 86.9 72 81 26
47 Bryan Little WPG 86.6 49 49 2
48 Henrik Sedin VAN 86.4 36 31 -12
49 Marian Hossa CHI 85.6 46 46 -3
50 David Backes STL 85.6 55 52 5
51 Henrik Zetterberg DET 84.7 43 24 -8
52 Ryan O'Reilly COL 83.9 75 90 23
53 Kyle Turris OTT 82.0 53 48 0
54 Valtteri Filppula TB 82.0 68 59 14
55 Dustin Byfuglien WPG y 81.5 57 57 2
56 P.K. Subban MTL y 81.5 67 54 11
57 Ryan Johansen CBJ 81.5 51 58 -6
58 Jaden Schwartz STL 81.3 64 69 6
59 Patrice Bergeron BOS 80.6 90 86 31
60 Paul Stastny COL 80.6 54 75 -6
61 Keith Yandle PHO y 79.5 62 66 1
62 Milan Lucic BOS 78.4 70 67 8
63 Max Pacioretty MTL 78.3 77 91 14
64 Pavel Datsyuk DET 78.1 33 33 -31
65 Rick Nash NYR 77.3 56 51 -9
66 Jason Pominville MIN 76.3 58 60 -8
67 Jeff Carter LA 75.1 63 115 -4
68 Daniel Sedin VAN 75.0 39 29 -29
69 Gustav Nyquist DET 72.7 138 142 69
70 Jeff Skinner CAR 71.8 60 63 -10
71 Ondrej Palat TB 71.7 106 147 35
72 Kevin Shattenkirk STL y 71.2 83 83 11
73 Vladimir Tarasenko STL 70.2 69 71 -4
74 Andrew Ladd WPG 69.6 74 73 0
75 David Perron EDM 69.4 81 88 6
76 Mikko Koivu MIN 69.4 101 93 25
77 Wayne Simmonds PHI 69.4 87 94 10
78 Mikkel Boedker PHO 69.3 73 72 -5
79 Mats Zuccarello NYR 68.8 95 82 16
80 Brad Marchand BOS 68.0 94 97 14
81 Nazem Kadri TOR 67.3 59 61 -22
82 David Desharnais MTL 67.1 118 126 36
83 Jiri Hudler CGY 66.8 61 56 -22
84 Scott Hartnell PHI 66.8 104 106 20
85 Teddy Purcell TB 65.9 88 85 3
86 Mike Richards LA 65.8 76 68 -10
87 Shea Weber NSH y 65.6 96 101 9
88 Mike Ribeiro PHO 65.0 65 65 -23
89 Brayden Schenn PHI 64.5 78 74 -11
90 Oliver Ekman-Larsson PHO y 64.5 120 98 30
91 Brandon Saad CHI 64.0 71 70 -20
92 Tyler Johnson TB 63.7 105 134 13
93 Frans Nielsen NYI 63.7 97 84 4
94 Jonathan Huberdeau FLA 63.6 93 96 -1
95 Radim Vrbata PHO 63.5 79 80 -16
96 Brad Richards NYR 62.6 80 77 -16
97 Tyler Ennis BUF 62.6 89 79 -8
98 Valeri Nichushkin DAL 62.4 91 92 -7
99 Evander Kane WPG 62.3 82 78 -17
100 Jussi Jokinen PIT 61.9 100 105 0
101 Jaromir Jagr NJ 61.4 115 121 14
102 Alex Galchenyuk MTL 61.2 66 62 -36
103 Matt Moulson MIN 61.0 136 145 33
104 Drew Doughty LA y 60.0 99 99 -5
105 Patrik Elias NJ 59.9 124 125 19
106 Alexander Semin CAR 59.5 98 95 -8
107 Nick Bonino ANA 59.4 85 76 -22
108 Nail Yakupov EDM 57.7 103 103 -5
109 Victor Hedman TB y 57.6 123 138 14
110 Derick Brassard NYR 57.2 107 118 -3
111 Joffrey Lupul TOR 57.2 84 64 -27
112 Mikael Granlund MIN 56.9 130 130 18
113 Reilly Smith BOS 56.7 114 104 1
114 Cody Hodgson BUF 56.6 86 87 -28
115 Mark Scheifele WPG 55.2 108 110 -7
116 Clarke MacArthur OTT 54.8 128 116 12
117 Derek Roy STL 54.6 102 107 -15
118 Jordan Staal CAR 54.6 113 109 -5
119 Tyler Bozak TOR 54.5 111 117 -8
120 Loui Eriksson BOS 54.4 121 119 1
121 Tomas Plekanec MTL 54.3 122 124 1
122 Alex Killorn TB 54.2 119 143 -3
123 Chris Kreider NYR 53.9 116 100 -7
124 Craig Smith NSH 53.6 125 135 1
125 Brendan Gallagher MTL 53.3 126 128 1
126 Marcus Johansson WAS 53.1 110 112 -16
127 Brent Burns SJ y 52.5 131 102 4
128 Brandon Dubinsky CBJ 52.4 132 131 4
129 Antoine Vermette PHO 51.8 127 140 -2
130 Ryan Kesler VAN 50.8 92 89 -38
131 Sean Monahan CGY 50.6 134 132 3
132 Adam Henrique NJ 50.2 171 183 39
133 Sean Couturier PHI 49.5 141 146 8
134 Mike Cammalleri CGY 49.3 168 167 34
135 PA Parenteau COL 49.1 112 123 -23
136 Carl Soderberg BOS 48.6 177 192 41
137 Martin Hanzal PHO 48.3 117 108 -20
138 Justin Williams LA 47.7 135 122 -3
139 Patric Hornqvist NSH 47.7 153 153 14
140 Matt Read PHI 46.9 139 137 -1
141 Mathieu Perreault ANA 46.5 145 139 4
142 Mike Green WAS y 46.4 142 144 0
143 Nick Bjugstad FLA 45.3 146 158 3
144 Jonathan Drouin TB 44.7 147 148 3
145 Troy Brouwer WAS 44.6 170 172 25
146 Cam Atkinson CBJ 44.4 129 129 -17
147 Patrik Berglund STL 43.9 180 178 33
148 Sam Gagner EDM 43.8 149 151 1
149 Jakob Silfverberg ANA 43.7 150 127 1
150 Michael Frolik WPG 43.7 148 149 -2
151 Mikhail Grabovski WAS 43.6 109 111 -42
152 Aleksander Barkov FLA 43.5 140 133 -12
153 Tyler Toffoli LA 43.0 158 162 5
154 Vincent Lecavalier PHI 42.5 162 141 8
155 Niklas Kronwall DET y 41.6 143 155 -12
156 Kris Letang PIT y 41.5 152 114 -4
157 Nino Niederreiter MIN 41.3 160 169 3
158 Artem Anisimov CBJ 41.0 155 160 -3
159 Colin Wilson NSH 41.0 137 113 -22
160 Ryan Strome NYI 41.0 163 164 3
161 Mikael Backlund CGY 41.0 178 190 17
162 Daniel Alfredsson DET 40.2 133 120 -29
163 Mika Zibanejad OTT 40.1 159 163 -4
164 Ryan Callahan TB 39.4 201 208 37
165 Ryan Suter MIN y 39.3 151 152 -14
166 Johan Franzen DET 39.2 144 176 -22
167 Cody Eakin DAL 39.1 164 161 -3
168 Ales Hemsky OTT 38.7 175 175 7
169 Mason Raymond TOR 37.8 157 154 -12
170 Marian Gaborik LA 37.4 154 156 -16
171 David Legwand DET 37.4 169 168 -2
172 Shane Doan PHO 37.0 174 170 2
173 Milan Michalek OTT 36.9 183 181 10
174 Tomas Fleischmann FLA 36.3 156 136 -18
175 Brent Seabrook CHI y 36.2 165 165 -10
176 Kyle Palmieri ANA 36.1 172 157 -4
177 Evgeny Kuznetsov WAS 35.7 211 210 34
178 James Wisniewski CBJ y 35.6 181 180 3
179 Matt Niskanen PIT y 34.7 176 200 -3
180 Tomas Tatar DET 34.6 186 204 6
181 Charlie Coyle MIN 34.5 187 185 6
182 Ryan McDonagh NYR y 33.9 197 189 15
183 Andrew Cogliano ANA 33.9 190 171 7
184 Justin Schultz EDM y 33.8 184 182 0
185 Dustin Brown LA 33.7 191 199 6
186 Andrej Sekera CAR y 33.5 188 195 2
187 Travis Zajac NJ 33.3 225 216 38
188 Kris Versteeg CHI 33.2 185 184 -3
189 Tomas Hertl SJ 33.1 193 191 4
190 Tommy Wingels SJ 33.1 173 174 -17
191 Sven Bärtschi CGY 30.9 202 205 11
192 Mike Fisher NSH 30.7 203 206 11
193 Alex Chiasson DAL 30.7 204 173 11
194 Andrew Shaw CHI 30.7 205 194 11
195 Nathan Gerbe CAR 30.6 161 159 -34
196 Mikhail Grigorenko BUF 30.4 207 207 11
197 Mark Giordano CGY y 30.1 256 268 59
198 Drew Stafford BUF 30.1 182 186 -16
199 Alex Goligoski DAL y 29.9 243 245 44
200 Zack Kassian VAN 29.9 221 223 21
201 Pascal Dupuis PIT 29.8 200 203 -1
202 Lee Stempniak PIT 29.7 251 252 49
203 Cory Conacher BUF 29.6 206 214 3
204 Nikita Kucherov TB 29.6 212 211 8
205 Cam Fowler ANA y 29.5 189 188 -16
206 Nick Foligno CBJ 29.5 213 212 7
207 Olli Jokinen WPG 29.1 195 197 -12
208 Josh Bailey NYI 28.6 208 225 0
209 Nick Leddy CHI y 28.5 198 201 -11
210 Lars Eller MTL 28.1 167 166 -43
211 Dougie Hamilton BOS y 27.9 223 227 12
212 Tobias Enstrom WPG y 27.9 229 224 17
213 Vladimir Sobotka STL 27.8 239 217 26
214 Erik Johnson COL y 27.8 298 294 84
215 John Carlson WAS y 27.7 214 213 -1
216 Zdeno Chara BOS y 27.6 234 238 18
217 Teuvo Teräväinen  CHI 27.6 232 236 15
218 Slava Voynov LA y 27.5 194 196 -24
219 Devin Setoguchi WPG 27.3 179 177 -40
220 Jiri Tlusty CAR 27.1 216 219 -4
221 Jay Bouwmeester STL y 26.9 210 198 -11
222 Ryan Spooner BOS 26.1 222 226 0
223 Max Domi PHO 25.6 227 233 4
224 Tyson Barrie COL y 25.5 356 433 132
225 Jacob Trouba WPG y 25.3 199 202 -26
226 Ty Rattie STL 25.0 217 215 -9
227 Roman Josi NSH y 24.9 242 254 15
228 Emerson Etem ANA 24.8 230 229 2
229 Mark Streit PHI y 24.6 224 237 -5
230 Elias Lindholm CAR 24.5 233 232 3
231 Dion Phaneuf TOR y 24.5 196 187 -35
232 Brock Nelson NYI 24.3 220 221 -12
233 Damien Brunner NJ 24.2 235 239 2
234 Nathan Horton CBJ 24.1 237 242 3
235 Seth Jones NSH y 24.0 228 234 -7
236 John Gaudreau CGY 23.9 238 243 2
237 Alex Tanguay COL 23.7 253 218 16
238 Brett Connolly TB 23.6 241 244 3
239 Chris Stewart BUF 23.6 166 150 -73
240 Peter Holland TOR 23.3 246 246 6
241 Jamie McGinn COL 23.2 270 365 29
242 RJ Umberger CBJ 22.7 219 220 -23
243 Filip Forsberg NSH 22.7 249 250 6
244 Brad Boyes FLA 22.3 240 263 -4
245 Jason Zucker MIN 22.0 254 255 9
246 Andrei Markov MTL y 21.7 252 301 6
247 Dmitrij Jaskin STL 21.6 255 257 8
248 Dave Bolland TOR 21.6 226 230 -22
249 Dustin Penner WAS 21.6 218 209 -31
250 Brian Campbell FLA y 21.4 258 241 8
251 Marcus Foligno BUF 21.3 245 228 -6
252 Beau Bennett PIT 21.2 260 253 8
253 J.T. Miller NYR 21.0 262 261 9
254 Matthew Carle TB y 20.9 279 276 25
255 Jean-Gabriel Pageau OTT 20.9 263 264 8
256 Brandon Pirri FLA 20.9 264 247 8
257 Brandon Sutter PIT 20.7 248 222 -9
258 Jason Demers SJ y 20.6 265 256 7
259 Mark Stone OTT 20.5 267 266 8
260 Christian Ehrhoff BUF y 20.5 268 288 8
261 Marcus Kruger CHI 20.3 236 240 -25
262 Drayson Bowman CAR 20.3 259 259 -3
263 Alexander Wennberg CBJ 20.2 269 267 6
264 Carl Hagelin NYR 20.1 329 328 65
265 Tomas Jurco DET 20.1 271 269 6
266 Linden Vey LA 19.9 273 262 7
267 Anthony Mantha DET 19.9 274 271 7
268 Chris Higgins VAN 19.9 250 251 -18
269 Stephen Weiss DET 19.7 247 249 -22
270 Jack Johnson CBJ y 19.3 266 285 -4
271 Scottie Upshall FLA 19.2 276 286 5
272 Jordan Schroeder VAN 19.1 278 275 6
273 Joe Colborne CGY 19.1 302 299 29
274 Brian Gionta MTL 19.0 231 248 -43
275 Torey Krug BOS y 18.8 209 231 -66
276 Anders Lee NYI 18.7 296 335 20
277 Mark Arcobello EDM 18.7 244 235 -33
278 Tanner Pearson LA 18.6 282 280 4
279 Patrick Maroon ANA 18.5 293 290 14
280 Boone Jenner CBJ 18.4 285 281 5
281 Cody Franson TOR y 18.4 215 179 -66
282 Benoit Pouliot NYR 18.4 286 315 4
283 Sebastian Collberg MTL 18.2 287 283 4
284 Nicklas Jensen VAN 18.2 326 325 42
285 Morgan Rielly TOR y 18.2 288 272 3
286 Jake Gardiner TOR y 18.1 281 279 -5
287 Bo Horvat VAN 18.1 289 284 2
288 Vincent Trocheck FLA 17.9 328 327 40
289 Morgan Klimchuk CGY 17.8 NR NR NEW
290 Reid Boucher NJ 17.8 291 289 1
291 Bryan Bickell CHI 17.4 294 282 3
292 Curtis Lazar OTT 17.3 319 317 27
293 Erik Haula MIN 17.2 295 291 2
294 Markus Granlund CGY 17.2 340 336 46
295 Dan Boyle SJ y 17.0 297 293 2
296 Matt Nieto SJ 17.0 299 295 3
297 Jeremy Morin CHI 16.9 300 296 3
298 Michael Raffl PHI 16.9 301 274 3
299 Matt Calvert CBJ 16.6 272 270 -27
300 Kerby Rychel CBJ 16.3 309 298 9

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

April Player Team DEF? Rating March Feb Change
444 Alec Martinez LA y 4.6 579 580 135
224 Tyson Barrie COL y 25.5 356 433 132
453 Andrej Meszaros BOS y 4.1 577 578 124
214 Erik Johnson COL y 27.8 298 294 84
370 Joakim Andersson DET 10.5 453 453 83
488 Jordan Leopold STL y 2.6 559 546 71
69 Gustav Nyquist DET 72.7 138 142 69
April Player Team DEF? Rating March Feb Change
395 Matt Frattin CBJ 8.5 257 258 -138
309 Rich Peverley DAL 15.9 192 193 -117
547 Darren Helm DET -0.3 433 431 -114
409 Dany Heatley MIN 7.5 308 343 -101
537 Paul Ranger TOR y 0.3 451 442 -86
342 Jason Garrison VAN y 13.6 261 260 -81
500 Zemgus Girgensons BUF 2.0 425 505 -75
April Player Team DEF? Rating March Feb Change
289 Morgan Klimchuk CGY 17.8 NR NR NEW
318 Adam Lowry WPG 15.5 NR NR NEW
502 Connor Carrick WAS y 1.9 NR NR NEW
513 Connor Murphy PHO y 1.3 NR NR NEW
520 Mattias Ekholm NSH y 0.8 NR NR NEW
573 Shea Theodore ANA y -2.3 NR NR NEW

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


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big_dl said:

big_dl
Byfuglien If Byfuglien loses his positional eligibility as a D will it change where he slots in the ranking? If so how do you expect it to change?
April 08, 2014
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alfie11 said:

alfie11
Couture's big drop? Why the big drop for Couture? I dealt away Landeskog for Couture a few months ago because (a) Couture has good history vs. Landeskog (who may or may not be playing over his head this season) and (b) when I made the trade, Couture and Landeskog's positions were reversed on this list.

Please tell me I didn't make a huge boner move with that trade.
April 04, 2014
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... number54 - the reader will have to get by without that smilies/wink.gif. Great suggestion, but I'm already putting 8-10 hours into these each month. I think with the guidelines I have here, your typical reader can use them as a base to work off of using their own opinion

Jeffro - as fp says - I'd rather own a guy who misses every second season, but wins the scoring title every second season.
April 01, 2014
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frozenpools said:

frozenpools
Malkin And 2 Art Ross trophies smilies/wink.gif
March 27, 2014
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Jeffro said:

jeffro2111
Malkin I will be interested to see how far Malkin falls after his latest ailment. I doubt out of the top 5. Who wouldnt want a guy that has played in less than 75% of his teams games in the last 5 years? Pretty flukey injuries though out his career though, only both feet, both knees, both shoulders, concussion, not to mention the unidentified upper and lower body injuries. A real modern day ironman.
March 27, 2014
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Still learning said:

Still learning
... Hi Dobber,
what is your guess concerning the ranking of Okposo when you will "reset" your ranking in august. He have been on fire even though Tavares have been injured. I guest he will be higher than 30... What are your thought on him?
March 17, 2014
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number54 said:

number54
Ranking Changes Ah, I see what you're saying. If what you're saying is true, then I have some food for thought, Dobbs: when you publish the rankings, you should include the raw score or raw score-change for the player's previous months, rather than the change in ranking. I thought your rankings' monthly changes were always a zero-sum (i.e. the total number of points distributed across the top 300 players is constant from month to month). If you did that, then one player would have to LOSE points in order for another to gain them. I think that kind of a system would be better for ranking players (it'd be akin to rating chess players).

As your system stands right now, the end-user can't distinguish other players passing vs. one player losing unless they have the previous months' ratings to compare with. I think you should consider preserving previous months' rankings, rather than ranking-changes in the rightmost columns. If you don't think it's a good idea, do you mind filling me in on why? Is it the case that your rankings are zero-sum, but that the total list just extends farm beyond your top 300?
March 03, 2014
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... number54 - Carter didn't drop 24 spots. 23 players rose above him. Think of it that way. And that part of the rankings, a hair separates about 30 players - really not worth a double-take

Spec7ral - players don't move much if they do well and I already projected them to do well. i.e. if they meet expectations, even my lofty ones, then I can't nudge them up any higher then I already had them. Nyquist, we can all agree, is one of my man-crushes (but for good reason!)
March 02, 2014
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Spec7ral said:

Spec7ral
... With big jumps for names like Bonino, Palat, Desharnais I am surprised to see Nyquist barely moving at all.
February 05, 2014
Votes: -1

plug said:

plug
... Thanks for the updated date being at the top now.
February 03, 2014
Votes: +1

number54 said:

number54
... Surprisingly big drop for Jeff Carter, considering he had 10 in 16 games for January and 12 in 15 through December -- that's not such a big difference that i'd drop him 24 spots. Granted, if you pro-rate it over 82 games it's a large difference, but I think it's a small enough variation in his scoring (2 points and one game) that I wouldn't worry about it. Also, for comparison's sake: Kopitar had the same number of points as Carter, and only dropped 1 spot. Williams had LESS THAN HALF as many points and only dropped 6 spots. So, what's the magic factor that apparently blew the doors off Carter's barn?
February 03, 2014
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Habs4 said:

Habs4
... Yeah, but i nee advices on what to do with my keeper team...
February 03, 2014
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Habs4 - nobody said it was perfect. So many variables and intangibles. But a month ago, when Wilson showed signs of being a top scorer in NSH, it looked a lot better than it did a few weeks later...
February 02, 2014
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plug said:

plug
... I think it would be nice to have the updated date up at the top of all the ranking pages rather than at the bottom.
February 01, 2014
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Habs4 said:

Habs4
... Im not sure i understand how this list works…

According to the ranking, exchanging Nail Yakupov or Jonathan Drouin against Colin Wilson would be a good move?
January 17, 2014
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4horsemen said:

4horsemen
... @Savvy1982 - what is the definition of 'Filatoving' someone? Is it recognizing that you have a soft, overinflated asset on your hands who isn't prepared to do what it takes to succeed in the NHL? If that's the case then I don't think there's anything to worry about with Tarasenko....he's 10X the player Filatov was/is or ever will be.
January 03, 2014
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Savvy1982 said:

Savvy1982
Tarasenko It's nice to see that Tarasenko seems to have played his way back into your good graces. You were very down on him not all that long ago. He's been on a nice little run, and he isn't suffering the nearly terminal sophomore slump that Huberdeau is. Any thoughts on Tarasenko's progress, and Hitchcock's seeming inability to "Filatov" him?
January 02, 2014
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Dobber said:

Dobber
Stamkos watchingthegame - you are correct. But my stats formula gives this output and I struggle to account for injuries when they happen to an elite superstar. Sorry about that. Stamkos is indeed No.4 or No.5 on the list in reality, I just don't know how to capture that. I tried to manipulate as best I could for this month and I think it looks a little better now. So many factors go into this...

January 01, 2014
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mcarmody said:

mcarmody
... I have come to apologize re: Ovechkin. You were right. I will never doubt you again.
December 11, 2013
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Jordyr77 said:

Jordyr77
... I traded Eberle for Kunitz straight up. I have Malkin and Crosby so I felt like it would be nice to have all three. I'm in it to win this year, but next year is my best chance with 5 extra draft picks. My keepers are Crosby, Malkin, RNH, Pietrangelo, and a fifth to be determined. Good or bad trade? I know Kunitz is old and will decline soon.
December 08, 2013
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newfcollins said:

newfcollins
... I'd agree with watchingthegame about Stamkos. I have Stamkos in a points-only keeper, and no way would I trade him straight up for Giroux at this point, and probably for no one ranked below #5.

However, I understand the reasoning behind the drop. The top criteria is "predicted points for the current season". With Stammer still out for at least six weeks or so, those predicted points take a huge hit.

As a side note, I love looking at this list and seeing I have five of the top 20 guys on my team in my pool.
December 02, 2013
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watchingthegame said:

watchingthegame
... Stamkos at 18? Full insanity. Top 5 in a keeper with or without a broken leg.
December 01, 2013
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Dobber said:

Dobber
... Eriksson - slowed last year, injury this year, slow this year, all added to a drop after October
Backes - the rankings are points only, and at the time (November 1) he was only hot for a month. Proved nothing. Now he's been at it for two months
Ennis - It was just one poor month. Now it's two so he drops some more. The owners of these players don't change their minds about him after a month - especially if they owned the given player for several years. That's why rising and falling on this chart is as gradual as it is.
number54 - OEL has now surpassed Yandle, yes
December 01, 2013
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number54 said:

number54
One more gem: "TangerineDreamTEam - Yandle - In a points-only league, I would not give up Yandle for OEL. If you read that here, it was from another writer. Both have great upside, but I'll take the proven and consistent big points now."

This month: OEL at #58, Yandle at #86.
November 04, 2013
Votes: +1

number54 said:

number54
Ennis @REferee3083 this John Scott hit is why.

My only gripe with the rankings is Tyler Ennis. He flatly does not belong at #75 right now. He's playing some absolutely awful hockey this year, and in a year where he was largely expected to step into a bigger offensive role, too. Let's be honest: who here wouldn't take Cody Hodgson (#107), Brendan Gallagher(#100), Lars Eller (#125), or Jeff Skinner(#101) over Tyler Ennis (#75)? I can 100% guarantee that it would be impossible to acquire any one of those players for Tyler Ennis at present in a points-only format.

By the way, I own him in a keeper league, just so you have some perspective on what a glowing endorsement his owners are giving him right now.
November 04, 2013
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Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
Backes I am in a number of pools and David Backes with all his added stat potentials is a top 20 guy.
November 03, 2013
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Referee3083 said:

Referee3083
L Eriksson Big drop off for Eriksson from October. Do you mind sharing what went into that? I could see a drop making sense when he was moved from Dallas to Boston, with the way the B's roll 4 lines and spread out their offense. But that was known in October. Was the way he's been used before his injury that much worse for his future than everyone initially thought when he was traded? Or does the drop have to do with his injury?
November 02, 2013
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
Selanne I'm not shocked that someone asked about him, but Selanne is done. Even in a one-year league, what's a 35-point forward worth?

In my keeper league - 14 teams, 31 players per team - Selanne was dropped this past weekend. These are smart hockey GM's who do a ton of research. I gotta tip my hat to them. And I wasn't tempted at all to pick him up after he was dropped.
October 01, 2013
Votes: -1

Axeman33 said:

Axeman33
... I know hes getting old and slowing down, but how can you not have Teemu Selanne in the top 300?
September 07, 2013
Votes: +2

Wotan said:

Wotan
If you count BURNS as a D? I don't know for which fantasy providers this list is made. But you have Burns not listed as a D (like he is e.g. on Yahoo which this site usually refers quite often to) - so given you take him as a D, which rank qould you give him now?
September 01, 2013
Votes: +0

number54 said:

number54
Just some comments... Why did you keep Kovy & Burmy on this list? Both those guys are gone. As a (former) Kovalchuk owner, keeping them on there is just torture.

As a Doughty owner, I think you're overrating his points-only value. At best, he belongs next to Kulemin, right near the 200 mark. Doughty's averaged 40 points per 82 games since his magical 59; with the departure of Scuderi, his minutes only get tougher. If LA ever decided to coddle him, he'd break 60. But realistically, that's not going to happen for him ever -- he's just too good at eating the hard minutes.
August 02, 2013
Votes: +1

TheZamboniGuy said:

TheZamboniGuy
... List is good like always ! Mackinnon way too high !
August 02, 2013
Votes: -1

jrs40 said:

jrs40
... The draft spreadsheet had these D rankings
Weber
OEL
Shattenkirk
Schultz
Engstrom

The most recent D rankings had
OEK
Shattenkirk
Weber
Engstrom
Schultz

Comments?
August 02, 2013
Votes: +0

Savvy1982 said:

Savvy1982
... I have some issues with the player currently ranked at #28... Not sure why.
July 11, 2013
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... TangerineDreamTEam - Yandle - In a points-only league, I would not give up Yandle for OEL. If you read that here, it was from another writer. Both have great upside, but I'll take the proven and consistent big points now.

david - those are great comparables. I would prefer to own Wheeler if it were mean, but man is it close.

elaw - Abdelkader, I doubt it. I'm not on board yet, upside still seems too low. EDIT - you have me thinking about this. Let me put it this way - my finger is hovering over the trigger. Let's see what line he starts on in the fall and I'll pull the trigger
June 21, 2013
Votes: +0

elaw said:

elaw
Abdelkader Hi Dobber,

With Abdelkader's performance in the playoffs, don't you think that would merit him breaking the top 300?

Thanks.
June 12, 2013
Votes: +0

davidgoodburn said:

davidgoodburn
Wheeler Hi Dobber,

You are bullish on Wheeler lately and I am wondering why? I like the kid and his upside a lot but your bullishness is screwing up my keeper list. In a limited keeper and have 2 spots left for Voracek, Wheeler and Moulson. Just looking to pick your brain on Wheeler so I can make my decision.

Thanks ,
June 11, 2013
Votes: +0

TangerineDreamTeam said:

TangerineDreamTeam
yandle Curious why your still so high on him. Pretty sure I read it here you would now take OEL over him going forward.
Sure he can get you 50 points in 82 games but his upside in Phx can't be 60 anymore. Guys like Landeskog or Skinner would be worth 10 yandles, this all because of a bad season for both of them?
June 10, 2013
Votes: +1

STONE. said:

STONE.
... Ha! Always cracks me up to read the comments. If you disagree, then don't go out and pay this value for Ovechkin. I'm with Dobber though -- he's still over PPG in his last three years, and he's played all but 5 of those games. How many guys below him on this list can say that? Maybe a couple. And none of them have hit 100 multiple times.

June 02, 2013
Votes: +0

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... Dobber,

-Ovechkin tangibly finished 37th in the NHL in scoring in 2011-12.
-Ovechkin tangibly had 5 goals and 5 assists through the first 16 games of (and thus a third of the way through) the 2012-13 season.

June 02, 2013
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Isle B.:
- Most fantasy leagues don't award points for interest or take points away for disinterest
- Consistency is also not a category
- This is a list of top fantasy owns, not top players. So throw the intangibles in the garbage please, and look at the stats.
- If you will swap Ovechkin for anyone besides Crosby or Malkin or maybe Stamkos, you will lose the deal. And probably big. More seasons than not, he will be a Top 3 guy and occasionally No.1. If he sinks your season twice in five years, he'll win your season twice in five years. And I'll take that any day of the week. I don't care about second place.


June 02, 2013
Votes: +0

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... Dobber,

Yes I do. No matter what format one is working in, Ovechkin is going to be your biggest investment, yet he could just as easily sink your season. He has the propensity to play with apparent disinterest for weeks at a time while players like Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, Toews and Datsyuk give it all they got every single shift of every game. He may have the biggest upside outside of #87 but his downside can absolutely ruin your season. I will admit to getting too down on Ovechkin but I would still take several other way-more-consistent superstar forwards ahead of him. As for Backstrom, there is simply no way that he is 6th-best fantasy forward in the NHL. He would barely crack the top 20 in my book. 8 goals in 2013, 14 goals in 2011-12, 18 goals in 2010-11. Yes he gets his assists, but so does Henrik Sedin and Martin St. Louis and they are a lot more consistent and are also a lot more consistently in the lineup regardless of how much older they are.
June 02, 2013
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... number - yes, upside. I wouldn't trade my Granlund for O'Reilly if he threw in two first round picks.

4horseman - Arnott, what an oversight. Sorry. Clarkson - 31 spots is nothing. That's not knee-jerk, that's a normal jump or drop for a month of hot/cold. 200 - now that would be a big knee-jerk.
May 03, 2013
Votes: -2

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Isle B. - still feel that way? lol the rankings are to help you both compete now and build for the future. If you listened to my rankings three months ago, you would have Ovechkin and he would have cost you a song. You can't discount that kind of upside over 18 months of futility. 36 months, maybe.

frozenpools - formula is this year, last year, distance from prime age (set at 25), proven vs. unproven, injury proneness, strength of team and a small bonus for the power of a "name" - i.e. if a superstar sucks, but still has weight in trade talks.

May 03, 2013
Votes: +0

frozenpools said:

frozenpools
... @4horsemen: I agree. The 3rd factor is luck which I think it is more important for predicting the future as SOG tends to be fairly constant for a player during his career. After the Feb 10 vs Pitts, Clarkson's shooting percentage was 18%. At that point its a good time to expect his goal scoring rate to regress to the league average of 11% (or whatever his career average is) and sell high. His current shooting percentage is 8.6% so your right, its probably a good time to buy low on him (goal-wise). I think its a good idea to estimate goals and assists separately as shots on goal alone can undervalue a player such as MSL or Kadri (who is another sell high).
April 08, 2013
Votes: +0

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
... @frozenpools - Two of the most rock solid indicators to use when predicting future production: SOG and TOI. Here are the league leaders in SOG: Ovi, Kane, Clarkson, Parise, Nash, Zetterberg, Skinner, Max Pac, Stamkos, Kessel, Moulson, Tavares, Williams, Brown, Crosby, Seguin, Gaborik and Semin. Anything stand out here? Clarkson is averaging 18 min/game and 3:38 on the PP. As long as he's logging these sorts of minutes and shooting the way he has his ranking is nuts. His shooting % is now well below his career average. Use his ranking at your own risk because a market correction would actually have him scoring a lot of goals before this season is out!
April 08, 2013
Votes: +0

frozenpools said:

frozenpools
... @4horsemen: Its likely that Dobbers formula uses a weighted formula of the current season combined with 1-3 recent seasons. The current year would have the highest weight (it should, its the most recent data and the objective is typically to win the current year).

So Clarkson having a bad streak and dropping 31 spots isn't a drastic change. His initial hot streak combined with his his recent games are more in line with his career numbers. He's just back to expectations - an average offensive player. Last year Scott Hartnell did the same thing but kept it going the full season. During the year, his ranking likely steadily grew. Clarkson wasn't able to sustain his scoring pace and reverted to his career numbers.

Id imagine there is more to the formula to predict the future rather then painting a picture of the past (pp toi, shooting %, assists vs pts on/60). But that's Dobber's magic smilies/wink.gif
April 07, 2013
Votes: +0

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... @Dobber

Yes I do. The Caps are rolling now, but they were lousy earlier in the year and Ovechkin and Backstrom were ineffective in a way that players like Datsyuk, Tavares and Giroux, for example, would never be. Ovie's upside is higher than most but his downside is a lot lower than many of the other top forwards in the league. If you counted on Ovechkin and/or Backstrom to be your top forwards the past couple of years then your season was probably over 20 games in. If you built your team's offense around Datsyuk, Giroux, JT, Toews, St. Louis and/or the Sedins then you have probably been competitive.
April 03, 2013
Votes: +0

erneufel said:

erneufel
Archived rankings Do you have archived rankings beyond 3 months? Would be great to compare longer term trends. Maybe a separate Excel download?

April 02, 2013
Votes: +0

number54 said:

number54
Granlund vs. O'Reilly I'm amazed that you have Granlund and O'Reilly neck and neck; O'Reilly's been playing some great hockey since signing in COL. Meanwhile, Granlund basically played his way out of a roster spot, with Zucker and Coyle handily out-playing him. I'm hoping your answer to this one is "upside".
April 02, 2013
Votes: +0

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Clarkson If you're not swayed by short trends then why did you just drop him 31 slots for a cold streak?!? He's still playing top line minutes and shooting a lot....below his career average now it should be noted. You're now recommending people value him on par with Arnott smilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gif
April 02, 2013
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... horsemen - hopefully Clarkson has now convinced you that he's not.

Isle B - still feel that way?


Moral of the story - it's a fickle business, fantasy hockey. But I try my best not to be swayed by short trends and try to stick with the bigger, long-term picture. Clarkson has 4 points in last 21 games. Ovechkin has 24 points in his last 19 games. Market corrections with those two are almost complete...

April 01, 2013
Votes: +0

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... Ovie, and all the other key Capitals for that matter, are way too high. Part of their value was in the wide-open style that the team ceased to play years ago. Plus a lot of their scoring depth is now gone. They could go blazing up and down the ice because they also had Semin and Fleischmann (and even Fedorov) and could also score dirty goals with Laich and Knuble. Sadly, they are now a different, and much more pedestrian, team. Ovechkin, Backstrom and Green will never come close to hitting those numbers again and Carlson arrived just as the party was ending.
March 04, 2013
Votes: +1

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Clarkson What does this guy have to do to convince you he's for real?
March 04, 2013
Votes: +1

TangerineDreamTeam said:

TangerineDreamTeam
loui Ross please read the Please Read above
My comment is a little too much but still think Eriksson should be higher
Only read the extra paragraph afterwards... my bad
Still love this site and all the work you guys put into it
Reminds me of the hockey fans article you linked the other day
March 02, 2013
Votes: +0

ross10019 said:

ross10019
TangeringDreamTeam re Loui Eriksson Tangerine,

If you are suggesting that Loui Eriksson is more valuable than Dustin Byfuglien or Alex Pietrangelo, in a league with positional (C, W, D etc) requirements, most (including me) would compeletely disagree. A 50-pt dman is worth more than Loui Eriksson, in a points only league, and Byf and AP are more like 60+ pt dmen.

In my league, I would never trade Byf or AP for Eriksson, that would be a steal for the other side.
March 01, 2013
Votes: +0

TangerineDreamTeam said:

TangerineDreamTeam
Loui Loui, ooo NOOO How is he behind 2 men who have never had 70 points!? He's only done it 3times... in a row... by age 27... dot dot dot
A slow start can bring him down in value fine, but explain to me that you would trade Loui for BOTH D.Buf and A.Pie, so I can join your league and make that trade! (trading him for just 1 would be sooo silly, why not make it 2 players ranked higher!)
The amount of times i have read the point system at the top of the page and been not told not to squabble over the small point gaps in players does not matter to me because a.) 27 year old puts up 278points in 325 game over the past 4years
b.) Jamie Benn is 19 spots higher, has never outpointed him and is solely based off potential, and what his start was better? how did he do in january?
c.) Dmen ranked higher than him will NOT have 70 points anytime soon, i'd wager on that
March 01, 2013
Votes: +0

frozenpools said:

February 28, 2013
Votes: +0

4horsemen said:

4horsemen
Crosby Time #1 with a bullet....if there's an argument to be made against this I'd love to hear it. It took For anyone who hasn't tuned into a Pittsburgh game yet this year please do yourself a favour and witness the best player in the world making the league his b*tch!
February 25, 2013
Votes: +1

mcarmody said:

mcarmody
... Far too high: Alex Ovechkin
Too high: Nail Yakupov
Too low: Jamie Benn
Not low enough: Nathan Gerbe

Only because you asked. Been enjoying and relying on your lists for a while. Thanks.
February 05, 2013
Votes: -1

ddp said:

ddp
... Come on...I realize a few years ago you could say toews was more valuable to his team then fantasy pts leagues...but he's been putting up pt per game for his career. That is more than you can say for a dozen ahead of him. I'm not a toews owner! Dobs ill trade you kessel, getzlaf or staal for toews anyday!!
February 01, 2013
Votes: +1

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... Dobber,

There is no question that he was the most prolific goal scorer and the most exciting player in the world from 2005-2010, but isn't it time for a little bit of a market correction on AO? Obviously, he still has the upside and the durability, but this now the 4th season in a row in which he seems to be declining. I'd rather have Tavares, Giroux, the Sedins, Datsyuk and any of the Oilers' young guns than Ovechkin at this point.
February 01, 2013
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... austeane - fixed
mabus - remove the post-lockout year from your analysis, do not count that year for career highs. It skews numbers badly. That being said, your hypothesis is very solid and I agree with it. I have been using 25 as the peak age in my formula for three or four years now, but I don't punish 30 year olds as much as 20 year olds
February 01, 2013
Votes: +0

mabus said:

mabus
... Dobber - my numbers indicate that players are peaking earlier post-lockout than they did pre-lockout. 27 was the correct number between the mid 80s and mid 00s, but it is now outdated. My hypothesis is that the up-tempo game is putting an emphasis on speed and reactions (which peak earlier in life) compared to strength and experience/strategy (which peak a bit later). It's time to use some of that stats knowledge and update your formula.
January 03, 2013
Votes: +0

austeane said:

austeane
... I have Glennie, Grachev and Kreider.... This is great... And advice?
January 02, 2013
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Mike - Quant hockey can say all they want. A player's best year is when he is 27. I believe that, as a graduate with a Stats Degree and Math Minor. My study on the matter is a dozen years old, granted, but I'll go to my grave believing that the peak is late 20s. So many factors skew the best year stats that I'm sure Quant is presenting, such as a 23-year-old getting 20 games in and then never playing in the NHL again. Well, his 'best year' would be when he's 23. Just like that, numbers are skewed. I'm sure they filtered out much of that crap, but impossible to get it all.

Innocent - I assume by AP you mean Pietrangelo - just an adjustment.

Alec - In a points only pool, Weber is overrated and the move has nothing to do with Suter. He's not "behind Green". Green is "ahead of him". Perspective. First Green injury though, and Weber is back on top.

ddp - yes, I have all my rankings.
December 01, 2012
Votes: +2

ddp said:

ddp
question Hey Dobs,
Is there anyway we can see your predictions on the site from the past 10 years? or however long you have been doing these rankings? I'd enjoy reading how your rankings have turned out.
November 08, 2012
Votes: +0

aleco83 said:

aleco83
... Wow Webber took a sh*t kicking. I know Suter is gone and his #s weren't great without him but to rank him behind Green seems a bit harsh.
November 02, 2012
Votes: +0

InnocentBystander said:

27Blue
... why the big jump for AP?
November 01, 2012
Votes: +1

MikeV said:

MikeV
... Adam Oates may improve things but offensive hockey players tend to peak early to mid 20's. Go look at QuantHockey and you'll see the amount of high scoring players drops off once they hit their late 20's. Ovechkin is now 27 years old. We've likely seen the best that we are going to see from him. Sure he may bounce back to 90 points, but I would say a young sniper like Stamkos (early 20's, in his prime) is more likely to top that than Ovie. But I truly hope that you and Ovie prove me wrong this year because that would mean we would actually have NHL games to watch...
November 01, 2012
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... You'll see Mike. Man, Fantasy Hockey owners are like weathervanes smilies/grin.gif

We have no experience with Adam Oates, but one would think that things will open up under him. Ovechkin didn't suddenly "lose it" as he enters his mid-20s. He's still got it.
November 01, 2012
Votes: +0

MikeV said:

MikeV
... I little bit too optimistic for Washington for my tastes, specifically Ovie and Backstrom. We've basically gotten to the point where if Crosby can even stay healthy for half a season, then he can outscore Ovechkin playing a full season.
November 01, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... October - I was waiting for training camps to begin...then it just became too late in the month. So I missed my first month in eight years smilies/wink.gif

Formula - it's very long. Not gut feeling, though gut feelings can adjust some of the criteria which impacts the result.
October 30, 2012
Votes: +0

jff100 said:

jff100
October update? Any update for October?

P.S. to doctor06: This list is the same as thn.com's ranking because the thn article was provided by Dobber, who makes this list. So no worries.
October 11, 2012
Votes: +1

doctor06 said:

doctor06
This is a Duplicate List From The Hockey News Web Site I hope Im wrong, but this list is exactly the same as the player rankings on thn.com.
September 19, 2012
Votes: +0

Rylant said:

Rylant
... Dobber, I have always loved these lists. Is there an exact formula that you use or is it mostly how you feel about any given player at the time? I see that Crosby and Stamkos have switched between 3 and 4, and I wonder what has happened in the last month that makes you feel Sidney has passed Stamkos?
September 03, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
number54 Thanks for this. Food for thought. I'll look at doing that very thing over the next month. It is very hard to compare a prospect to a 45-point guy...or 55-point guy vs. a lesser prospect. How do you compare? Different value for different needs, too. Lots of factors at play, and the rankings do depend on age using 25 as the base year. But perhaps more can be done.
September 03, 2012
Votes: +0

number54 said:

number54
Position-Dependent Parameters I was thinking about something Mabus said, concerning how you weigh upside against proven production. I think Mabus is right, to some extent, in saying that nobody would trade a top prospect for a 40 point player. So it made me think on how one could fix the algorithm you use to account for this, and I came up with a few ideas.

First, I recently came up with an algorithm to compensate our league's GMs for KHL defectors. Essentially, it weights the player's age and production something along the lines of [ age + N - r ] / age, where N is the number of players expected to be drafted in the league and r is the league ranking (i.e. 20th in the league) of the player. Anyway, I was thinking you might try something similar for ranking players here, so that their potentials get greater weights as their age decreases. You could even use this to make your list more interactive and more personalized: if you leave the N parameter free, and have the end-user enter the number of players drafted in their league, then the rankings displayed would intrinsically account for the 'baseline' production required before a high end prospect becomes as valuable as a lesser proven talent. It's really doubtful this would have a large effect on most of the top-end talent.
August 04, 2012
Votes: +0

claudius said:

claudius
... Where is Tim Connolly? I know he had a poor season, but he should at least be in the 300, from my point of view. How about Yakupov?
July 04, 2012
Votes: +0

Le Jule said:

Le Jule
Jordan Staal Jordan staal will play with his brother as 1st line center and probably skinner. He wil play on PP and mre ice time too. I see him put more points then Matt Moulson, Heatley or kesler ... Dont you ?

Nice top 300 reading !
July 04, 2012
Votes: +1

Dre said:

Dre
Louis Leblanc In the Dobber's 2012 Prospect report, why Louis Leblanc have the big down grade for the LTU and 3YP???? He pass the 78/59 to 70/35.
June 05, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Chara - in points-only leagues, no way you should prefer him over Shattenkirk, Fowler or Carlson, or even Elliott. You're looking at it through your-own-league-rules goggles.

O'Reilly and Lewis vs. Meyers. This was just an oversight. But also don't overrate Meyers. His future is not in producing points.

Perron vs. Gerbe or Stewart - I'd rather Gerbe or Stewart. No interest in Perron in any of my leagues. I don't see the upside, and I do see a (injury) downside
June 03, 2012
Votes: +0

bradp36 said:

bradp36
... Cal O'Reilly AND Trevor Lewis over Tyler Myers? Are you out of your mind?
May 25, 2012
Votes: +1

Dunnder said:

Dunnder
chara chara is on the list at 222, or 29th in defencemen, just below Dan Boyle at 28th for dmen. I thought they were both kind of low... Chara and Boyle should both be ahead of guys like Wideman, Fowler, Carlson, Phaneuf, Carle, Shattenkirk, and Elliott IMO.
May 02, 2012
Votes: +1

dkilburyhockey said:

dkilburyhockey
... yikes. A gillion defensemen...and no Chara????
May 02, 2012
Votes: +0

frozenpools said:

frozenpools
Perron vs Gerbe or Stewart As an owner of Gerbe or Stewart, Id do cartwheels down the street if I could get Perron for either of them.
May 01, 2012
Votes: +0

Ryan said:

theslymonkey
... Getzlaf is where I am completely confused. January he had 9 points in 12 games, 0.75ppg, and he was ranked 11th. February he had 9 points in 15 games, 0.6ppg, and he remained at 11th. March he had 11 points in 14 games, 0.79ppg and he falls to 25th. I just dont understand how he can show signs that he is regaining his form, and fall that dramatically.
April 02, 2012
Votes: +0

Isle B. said:

April 02, 2012
Votes: +1

hazetech said:

haze_tech
... I have two small questions for you Jeff,

I know you see almost all Canuks game. What about the Sedin/Sedin/Burrows. My impression is that they won't be togeter for a long time. Do you have the same impression.

Then, for Getzlaf, what is your call for the next season. Do you think he will keep this mediocrity ? This guy is a quite good multi-cat player (PIM). But it seem that his points are constantly going down. Is it just a bad year ?

By the way, thanks for your good job !
April 02, 2012
Votes: +1

Seth said:

Fast Tony DeNiro
New ratings Hey Dobber, I'd be interested to know what changes you've made in relation to your ratings of prospects. You might have already posted an explanation somewhere if so sorry I missed it, but I'd like to know how their ratings have been tweaked.
March 02, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
Mike Thanks Mike, yes it's best to use just as a guide for points. I've stripped away all the possible categories and left it as just the basic points monitor.

As for "future" and "prospects", you'll be happy to know that I've tweaked the formula to treat the unproven prospects differently
March 01, 2012
Votes: +1

mike hess said:

SharkMeat
rankings for points I love all the comments. When I look at the rankings based on actual performance in a league that is more than goals, assists, +-, PPP, SOG the rankings are very different especially because this ranking approach here seems to relegate the defense to second class citizens. Actually in my league that also counts hits, blocks, shg and PIMs the D men tend to get higher rankings. I think the ranking approach here includes too much of the future and that is not now in fantasy hockey. I use it as a guide not as the rule. Fantasy points matter in a league and the totality of that is not in this ranking.
February 03, 2012
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Perron - in settings where points carry over in trades, his value takes a hit because he wouldn't help a single contending team. When it resets in May, his value will rise.

Brian - I'm in two of them, and know of several more. Must be an Ontario thing. There are 100s of different leagues out there (see "Free Features/Starting a Keeper" on the top menu to get an idea). But the beauty thing about using this one as a base is that it ranks the players on the base statistic. Points. So all leagues can at least take a look and get a feel for a player's value both now and in the future in terms of offense.

February 03, 2012
Votes: +0

cberg said:

cbergeron
JT! Way to go JT at #8! At this date next year, he will have passed Backstrom, the Sedins and Giroux IMO. Benn also on the rise. Way to go. Not sure I get Eberle dropping 6 positions but then again looking at players ahead of him in these rankings and it may be hard to argue for a higher spot for him at this time. Well done.
February 02, 2012
Votes: +0

Brian said:

Skin Blues
League parameters Does anybody actually use these settings - Points-only with no minimum requirement for defensemen? I've never seen one of them so I'm curious, because it must be widespread enough in order to use it for the top 300 rankings. What site do people use for this setup?
February 02, 2012
Votes: -1

Santo (aka Ross10019) said:

ross10019
Perron Love the list Dobber, but Perron at 207? Just don't understand that. I understood that the jury was out when he first came back and you had him at 230ish, but by now he should be top 100 or very close to it.
February 01, 2012
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
BTM BTM, and the person who voted "up" on his comment - how do you feel now? Believe it or not, I actually know a thing or two about ranking players smilies/wink.gif

Mabus - it's a tough balance, but I'm catering to full keepers, deeper leagues.
February 01, 2012
Votes: +1

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... @BTM

If Tavares is 'maybe a top 30 player' as opposed to #8, then which additional 20+ players should be ranked ahead of him?
January 11, 2012
Votes: -1

Mabus said:

mabus
... Dobber - what is your assumption about replacement level players. For example, about 160 to 180 players get more than 40 points each year. 90 to 110 get more than 50. If your league drafts less than 180 players, anyone that is getting more than 40 points is useless regardless of whether he is in the league this year or not. We end up in a situation where someone like me looks at the list and says - Is Dobber really saying I should trade Granlund for Stempniak straight up? It might make sense to make that trade if you need a few of Stempniak's points this year, but for most leagues, I assume that it would be crazy to move a 40 point guy with a 45 point upside for a guy of Granlund's pedigree. I have a similar nitpick for the prospects list as well.

I love the lists, but my leagues are relatively shallow. This means that someone that can get you 55 points or more this year has the most value. Someone that will get more than 55 soon has good value. Someone that is currently getting less than 55 that will never pass it has absolutely no value. Clarifying this in your heading will help those of us find less things to nitpick.

Do you do any retrospective looks at past lists to see if there are some players you are consistently high on or down on? For example, for a guy that has broken 70 points once, Rick Nash seems to always be about 10 or 20 places higher than I'd ever put him. It would be interesting to see how many points people have had over the past 3 years and compare that to your list three years ago. Sounds like an interesting spreadsheet exercise for me for one weekend.
January 06, 2012
Votes: +0

BTM said:

eyemissgilmour
... Tavares at #8 is simply mind boggling. He might be a top 30 player, but not top 10. Sorry.
January 06, 2012
Votes: +0

Haakan Loob said:

Chucker10
#1 Give me any of the top 8 from the January rankings easily ahead of Malkin.
January 06, 2012
Votes: +0

Bryan Lachance said:

Bryan Lachance
Dobber follower Where do I find the 2011/12 hockey draft downloads that I buy every year?
Bryan
October 02, 2011
Votes: +0

Jeff said:

number54
To be continued elsewhere, if at all... I'm putting my reply in the player discussion forum; this is the wrong place to put this much effort into one minora disagreement. It's here: http://www.dobberhockey.com/in...post790800

I will say this, though: calling me "ill-informed" or implying that I'm being a troll won't make your arguments sound any better.
October 01, 2011
Votes: +2

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... This site is more or less troll-free, so I'll bite...

Why do you insist on arguing this point when it is clear that all you know about the Islanders comes from stat sheets and/or ill-informed line projections?

The Isles played well in the second half of the season, and the biggest reason why was the emergence of the Okposo-Nielsen-Grabner line. Okposo didn't score much after missing most of training camp and the first half of the season with a major shoulder injury. However, he was able to do the little things that don't show up on the scoresheet, like digging the puck out of the corners, etc., that enabled his linemates' success.

September 28, 2011
Votes: -1

Jeff said:

number54
Sorry bro, but no... Grabner and Neilsen were successful together, granted. However, Okposo's 20 in 38 prorates to only 43 points over a full season playing the same proportion of time on that line. His 5 goals over that span are also the worst goals/G of his career.

According to your logic, Okposo was a great fit on this line, while posting the WORST totals of his career (his prior totals were 39/65, 52/80) during that stint. Think for a moment about that. In his career, Okposo has never been as starved for points as he was with Grabner and Neilsen.

If you think they're going to put Okposo back on that line, keep dreaming.
September 28, 2011
Votes: -1

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... Jeff,

You clearly don't know what you are talking about when it comes to the Isles. Grabner-Nielsen-Okposo will absolutely be playing together as the 2nd line. They were an outstanding combo last year and there is zero reason to break them apart. Tavares and Moulson will be playing together on the 1st line and Comeau will be playing with Bailey on the 3rd line. The only questions on the Isles' top 3 lines are where exactly Niederreiter, Parenteau and Rolston will be slotted.


September 27, 2011
Votes: +0

Jeff said:

number54
HAH! @ Isle B: Grabner was lucky to be playing on the 2nd line with Okposo last year 'cause they're both natural RW's. This year Okposo will likely play 1st line with Tavares. Grabner, on the other hand, will probably be playing with Nielsen and Comeau on line 2. As you said, Grabner's points came with Okposo last year & it's unlikely the pair will be reunited in 201-12.

I don't think Grabner's underrated on this list at all; rather, I think Gagner and Brassard are a bit overrated. Both of those guys have basically lost any hope of taking their natural positions back within the top 6 of their current teams. Without a trade, I think both of them are going to be huge busts. I can tell you that they're both more coveted assets than Grabner in my keeper league, though.
September 16, 2011
Votes: -1

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... Dobber,

Not to beat a dead horse with Grabner, but you seem to be fairly optimistic about the Isles in general for this season (more so than I am), yet you've seemingly singled out Grabner as the one player who will take a step back on this team. Grabner's numbers over the last 39 games of the 2010-11 were: 25g-15a-40p and a +15 (which, obviously, pro-rates out to a stellar 50-goal season). He also produced consistently during this last half of the season which coincided, nearly to the game, with Okposo's return and the formation of the Nielsen-Grabner-Okposo line. This brings me to the last dig at Grabner in the guide where you write that Nielsen will improve on his +/- and Grabner's +/- will recede, yet the fact of the matter is that they were linemates who played most of their shifts together at even strength and on the PK (during the 2nd half of last season when their pluses were accrued) and will almost certainly continue to do so this season.

I just don't see why he's so low on this list, well behind the likes of Gagner, Brassard, Voracek, and, even, Okposo, none of whom, after several NHL seasons, have ever come close to producing at a clip that Grabner did for such a significant stretch last year. (In fact, if Grabner and Okposo switched places on this list, both would be more accurate assessments IMHO.)

BTW, your predictions for Grabner are in line with the others I have seen so far, so maybe it's just me.
September 04, 2011
Votes: +0

Robert H. Levasseur said:

bobl
... Where is Erik Cole ??
September 03, 2011
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Jeff/Derrek: +/- was messed up in August, sorry
Fred - Subban should be over Bozak. I didn't/missed/forgot to adjust Bozo
Dave - I wouldn't trade Ennis for Couture in a BILLION years if I owned him. You're on your own with this one - either you listen to my advice, or you don't. If you don't on this, I feel strongly that within three years you will see what a monumental mistake that was.
September 03, 2011
Votes: -1

Jeff said:

number54
Small suggestion Maybe I'm nitpicking, but you might consider changing the way that you display monthly changes in player rankings. Personally, I find it strange that when a player moves up the list, his "change" value is negative. Maybe just flip the sign?
September 03, 2011
Votes: +2

Dave said:

ddp
ennis haha Ennis ahead of Couture...NICE! not.
August 23, 2011
Votes: -1

Fred Poulin said:

Slasher98
Subban? Tyler Bozak in front of PK Subban?? Tell me the name of your pusher because he's good! smilies/smiley.gif
August 03, 2011
Votes: -1

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... Dobber,

Yes it was a short time ago that Bailey was considered a cornerstone and Grabner was a waiver wire flier, but fortunes have changed dramatically since then. Grabner was deservedly nominated for the Calder and signed a 5-year extension. He has now, along with JT, become the face of the franchise. Meanwhile, the Islanders drafted Strome and traded for Rolston who may very well be the long- and short-term replacements for Bailey who, incidentally, is still an RFA.
August 03, 2011
Votes: +0

Dean Youngblood said:

Dean Youngblood
Miettinen? I could be wrong but hasn't Miettinen signed on to play in the KHL? If so, why has his value/ranking improved?
August 03, 2011
Votes: +0

Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
+ and - and i dont mean the stat It's all messed up for this month. I think they are opposite?
August 02, 2011
Votes: +3

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Lecavalier - simple as this: if he plays with St. Louis, 85. If he doesn't, 65. The potential is why he is ranked so high.

Ennis - just you wait Derrek, haha

Isle - Grabner is not a Golden Boy. Bailey is. Islander fan or not, it doesn't matter which player is better - in this case, Golden Boy status has more impact. And Grabner fits all the criteria for a sophomore slump, per my fantasy guide.

August 02, 2011
Votes: +0

Ryan Lenethen said:

DarthVain
Vincent Lecavalier? I'm surprised to see Vincent Lecavalier, so high. As a owner of that player last year, I can't say I was thrilled. I know this is future looking, and he finished a bit stronger near the end, but still. Underwhelmed.

Also I saw that Shattenkirk was rated above Subban, Boyle, and Weber and Chara!
Is he that good? I am an owner, should I be looking to keep him?
July 05, 2011
Votes: +0

Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
K-i-s-s-i-n-g Dobber and Ennis sitting in a tree...
July 04, 2011
Votes: +0

Isle B. said:

Isle B.
... As someone who follows the Isles closely, I gotta chime in on these two things:

Michael Grabner ought to be about 40 spots higher than #91.
Josh Bailey ought to be about 100 spots lower than #157.
June 17, 2011
Votes: +1

Jeff said:

number54
Lovin' the Tweaks I love your respect for the high-end young talent on the list: Tavares, Skinner, Eberle, Stepan & Brassard. Especially considering the teams they play for, these kids are all but guaranteed the minutes to succeed as 2nd or 1st liners imminently.

Side note: I know the top 6 isn't very stable in SJ, but their top 5 are locked up through 2011-12, so Couture/Setoguchi are going to duke it out for that last spot. We'll know for sure in training camp how McLellan's going to use them to start 2011-12, but I'd put my money on Couture winning the spot by November if he doesn't get it out of camp.
June 03, 2011
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Jeff - you are right, but you are not considering this - a top six spot in SJ is not stable. See Setoguchi, Devon
June 03, 2011
Votes: -1

Ron Burgundy said:

Ron Burgundy
Purcell Damn you Dobber - right again!
And by damn you I mean thank you.
This crow doesn't taste too bad.
May 05, 2011
Votes: +1

Pokerface said:

Pokerface
.... Dobber- I'm curious about your thoughts on Gerbe- what do you think his pts upside is? I see that you have him ranked currently in the same range as Evander Kane, Oshie, Ladd, etc....
May 05, 2011
Votes: +0

Ian said:

May 04, 2011
Votes: +1

ccsitdown said:

ccsitdown
M Johansson WAS No Marcus Johansson in the top 300 yet, or have I missed him? Kid has really seemed to exhibit some future to me over the second chunk of the year.
May 02, 2011
Votes: -1

Jeff said:

number54
Skinner vs. Couture - Round 2 I'd have to say I disagree with you here Dobber. There's something to be said for a kid who can crack the top 6 with the SJS and get 1st PP minutes. McLellan has a lot of options for his top 6; the fact that he has that kind of confidence in Couture makes me think there's something to it.

With Skinner, on the other hand, just had to beat some AHLers (Boychuk, Bowman, Dalpe) to get into CAR's top 6. Best player whose ice time Skinner's eating into: Jussi Jokinen... nothing special.

I've said it a million times... kids who can steal ice time from big names aren't doing it by accident.
April 03, 2011
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... With Spezza, I had him ranked in March as if he would go out and get 28 points in 26 games. So he went out and did that. It's about time, but he justified my March ranking, that's all. I took a leap of faith and he came through. If he didn't, he would have dropped. So think of it as "Spezza avoided dropping further"!
April 02, 2011
Votes: +0

Martin said:

mapletreemarty
Spezza?? How come Spezza hasn't moved up? He's put up 28 pts. in 26 games since his return from injury, and doing it with guys like Greening and Condra on his wings..Producing a ppg with those guys should get him back into the top 30...

Seems like an oversight. Dobbs, I thought you had a crush on for Spezza?! Where's the love?
April 01, 2011
Votes: +0

KJ said:

Big Kjell
April Fool's Day! Ha ha...I woke up and choked on my bagel when I saw this list...but then I realized it was April Fool's Day. Good one, guys!

Had it not been for that then I would have thought someone had hacked the Dobber site and put 4 Leafs players in the top 23 and 9 Leafs player in the top 90. But that would have been insane. Clearly, Dobber has security than that. So April Fool's Day it is. smilies/grin.gif
April 01, 2011
Votes: +0

iamlilc said:

iamlilc
Nice! Now is the time to trade Clarke MacArthur for anyone from Getzlaf to Cammalleri!
April 01, 2011
Votes: +1

Czechline said:

Czechline
Another good April fools joke by the fine folks at Dobberhockey I cant believe the Huge Specimen didnt make the top 10 given his recent debute in Florida. I think a few of you picked up on it, but the moment any Toronto player breaks the top 20... You know it's a joke!
April 01, 2011
Votes: +1

Chris said:

Dr.Smurf
Radulov #3 Nice to see Radulov make it to #3.
Finally a "Big 3" everyone can agree on!

Also, Mike Brown (TML) should be higher. With a duster like his, you gotta give him the respect he deserves!
April 01, 2011
Votes: +0

HPG said:

fantasyhockeygeek
Leafs smilies/cheesy.gif

Absolutely love the "Leafs Effect" you added to this month...
April 01, 2011
Votes: +0

Marc said:

MGW
... I don't agree with ANY of these rankings except for rankings of Radulov and all the Toronto players haha
March 31, 2011
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Jeff - valid points, but if a player is injured then he has little value to any team in the Top 5 in your league. So the trade market is cut by 40%.
Staal and Kopitar - agree to disagree. They're awesome and coveted greatly in both my leagues.
Kovalchuk - same as what I said in point one - trade market is cut by 40% in my leagues because he lacks the points to help anyone.
Skinner is 100 times better to own than Couture, and I say this as a Couture owner. More upside, more durability, more consistency. Not close.
March 31, 2011
Votes: +0

Jeff said:

number54
Popping the Top 300 Cherry for Complaining I don't think I've ever griped about the ratings in the top 300 before, probably because there usually isn't anything to complain about (tip of the hat @ Dobber). Having said that, this month's top 300 has a pretty poorly ordered top 50 IMHO. So, I suppose there's a first time for everything...

I thought I'd list the obvious ones that I take issue with:
1) Staal doesn't even belong in the discussion for the top 10. Neither does Kopitar.
2) Kovalchuk should be easily 10 points ahead of Mike Richards. Flatly, he should be more valuable than Heatley.
3) How does Getzlaf have the 4th best month in the NHL (and best p/g over that stretch) and not move?
4) Rating Parise outside the top 30 is nonsense. Fine, he's out for the year, but so are Derek Roy and Sam Gagner and they GAINED value??? Also, even with the value Roy gained, he's DRASTICALLY underrated and is a perennial threat to finish in the top 30.
5) Skinner vs. Couture: separated by 3 NHL points, but somehow Skinner has 19 rating points on Couture
March 15, 2011 | url
Votes: +3

Mike said:

MaxPower
Hudler He was awful in 2010. January was better, but not great. Since February 7 he has been what was predicted of him throughout the summer. Due to injuries I more or less had to keep Hudler (and no one would have taken him anyway), and am now reaping the rewards. Finally. With Datsyuk, Sharp, Hudler, Kovalev, and Wheeler I now have a very competitive LW. Too bad to took 3 years to build it and I'll only really benefit from it this year as I lose Wheeler, Kovalev, and Datsyuk at the end of the year to free agancy. Well, like in the NHL Wheeler is RFA, but I don't reckon I will keep him.
March 03, 2011
Votes: +0

Marc said:

MGW
Thanks Dobber After reading some of these posts, it sounds like some people take your word as gospel, and have a hard time disagreeing with you.
This is an awesome list, and although mine would be slightly/significantly different in some cases, I don't have the time/energy/motivation to do something this thorough right now.

Thanks so much for doing this
The hard work is very much appreciated
March 03, 2011
Votes: +1

david said:

tripel
Parise v Crosby logic seems inconsistent to me

nice list though, thanks
March 03, 2011
Votes: +0

Pokerface said:

Pokerface
..... How close do you have Reilly Smith to cracking the list? He could replace Austin Smith down at the bottom. Where do you see Clitsome by the end of the season? (Small sample size, but like Calvert hasn't slowed down)
March 02, 2011
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Oshie - don't overrate, as he is not only injury prone, but his upside is not as high as most poolies think.
Purcell - I think/thought you had a point so I studied him further relative to other players. He's a Top 90 scorer and he's only 25 on a top playoff team. I'm not sure he should be moved down at all. He is an example of underrated in fantasy leagues.
Desharnais - oops. Thank you
Chara - he is slowing down. In order: 51, 50, 44, and on pace for 40. Can't argue with a four-year trend like that.
March 02, 2011
Votes: +1

TML said:

TML
Skinner Good to see him continuously moving up. smilies/smiley.gif
February 22, 2011
Votes: -1

Joe said:

EBBR
Defensmen What I don't understand about the ranking system is how the D-men are ranked. How on earth is a guy like Matt Carle the equal of Zdeno Chara? How are Liles and Shattenkirk ahead? I know that age is a factor, but does Big Z look like he's slowing down?

I've always thought that looking 3 years ahead maximum was the way to compete in hockey pools. Does it look like Big Z will slow down in three years? I doubt it. The same goes for a guy like Chris Pronger. Where is the love for old warhorse d-men that produce consistently year after year? (besides Lidstrom at 82.9) From my experience, these guys win you pools.
February 02, 2011
Votes: +0

mike hess said:

SharkMeat
How I use the rankings I use the rankings to check my teams. I circle all my team and look at their relative ranking comparied to who is available on the waiver/free agent list. I then check it against lineups to ensure if I am dropping or adding someone it is not impacted by playing time. I also look at who is hot or not as moves in my leagues tend to be not limited. I usually end up with one or two small changes that make my team stronger.
This month I picked up Leino and dropped Smyth.

My leagues tend to be 10-12 team leagues with standard Yahoo/ESPN or CBS point scoring.
February 01, 2011
Votes: +0

gfunkb7 said:

gfunkb7
... Note: David Desharnais is not a DEF.
February 01, 2011
Votes: +0

Derrick said:

delaney8
... Does anyone use the list for pool purposes? Or is it just to check against your own subjective opinions on players? I glance at it but other than that I don't have a specific use for it. I suppose I could use it for my mid season draft / entry draft, but I don't usually.

Overall I value the opinions on the site and frozen pool but the rankings I don't know what to do with...
February 01, 2011
Votes: +0

Ron Burgundy said:

Ron Burgundy
Edward I enjoy this list every month and usually agree or mildly disagree with the choices, but I really need to know why the love for Edward Purcell. 92? Can't see it, unless he is actually a different player than Teddy Purcell. I also surely don't see him deserving of a bump in the rankings after scoring in 3 of 12 January games (3 of 16 if you go back before xmas). Yeah 2 of those games were multi-pointers but if that's the driver then where is David Moss?

He just seems to me to fit in better with the guys you have in the low 100s/high 200s on the list, so I'm wondering what you see differently.
February 01, 2011
Votes: +0

krisco said:

sasquatch
Oshie Is Oshies "low" 88th due to just coming back from injury? I wanted to see where he was at but was a little disappointed he was lower than i expected. Im assuming it is, just like anyone who's been injured has dropped. Look forward to your new rankings coming out sometime today!
February 01, 2011
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Excellent posts this month! I love it when they put me in high spirits! Thanks to Cliff for bringing us all back to the ground with a dose of reality! And Dave thanks for getting my back smilies/wink.gif. And the other guys, thanks for asking about missing players. Those are the best posts, as they get me to double check.

Brunette - last month was 387, this month is 365. Let's face it, the market for players on pace for 40-45 points with an upside (at his age) of 60 points at best, for 36-year-olds is not a good one.

Sutter - 356 last month, 355 this month. On pace for under 40 points, upside is high 50's. I'm just not feelin' it.
January 31, 2011
Votes: +1

Cliff de Jong said:

cliffer99
This is the weirdest post I've ever read Seriously, this is bizarre. Dobber et al, produces a player by player rating/ranking and then puts up with and entertains rants and ravings from poolies that disagree with his/their specific rankings. I am new to keeper hockey pools, but I'm a vet of football keeper pools. The thing that drew me to a hockey keeper pool was the level of intricacy that is available - and I hate baseball so unless you are a fan of the "association" that leaves the NHL. This website is pretty useful - AND very entertaining. I've not seen anything like it - particularly for free - in the NFL fantasy ranks. All the strings of complaints of how these guys have ranked players strikes me as odd, on a multitude of fronts. First, this is just statistical probability. It's not like they know the exact points that any one of these players is going to obtain. It does seem like they weight it according to actual performance and with a dash of gut instinct. Cool, good for them. There are always going to be disagreements when you rank players so specifically. I bet these guys love the debate! As do most of you I'm sure. I for one, am loving the fact that I came across this website. I was actually looking for a string or discussion on Kovalchuk as I'm in a keeper league with a salary cap and I can't trade this guy so I wanted to see if people had been dumping him and his .58 ppg average for one of a dozen $500-$900k guys with upside or not. Then I find this site! Wow, am I glad I did. I love the banter, I love the passion, but I am confused as to the seeming anger towards the rankings. As a seasoned NFL keeper poolie, this is the kind of site I would refer to but never solely base my decisions on in terms of player pickup or trade. Its very useful information, but not without flaw.

Yo Dobber et al, I wonder if you have given thought to an NFL fantasy trick which is to lump players into star ratings? 5 stars for those that you figure are well above the rest of the league, 3 stars for slightly above, 0 for guys with no real potential. This sort of rating is what I have always found to be the most useful as you are really lumping players into a statistical probability category. Your ratings are slightly misleading. Are you really saying that Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin are heads and shoulders above Stamkos, Sedin twins and Backstrom? Or is there room to say that these 6 players are 5 star players? The next bunch would be 4 star and then you could identify the next drop off and so on. Not that I would want to curtail this highly entertaining debate amongst those who disagree with number 102 vs 89.

To be sure, I do find this useful and entertaining. Although I must say, Kovalchuk isn't even in my top 3 wingers on MY team. He's been riding the pine for 3 weeks now and I'm ready to drop him. Number 26? He's terrible and after half a season, his trend is established.
January 21, 2011
Votes: -1

Konsd said:

kenklak
Missing Brandon Sutter is missing...
January 05, 2011
Votes: +0

MisterDude232 said:

kenklak
Missing a guy... No Andrew Brunette? At all?
January 03, 2011
Votes: +0

David said:

Leumas
Dobber your Top 300 list is great. Don't change a thing! All the complainers need to give their head a shake. If you follow fantasy hockey, Dobberhockey, and spend time on the forums you should be WELL aware that player values change extremely quickly in many people's eyes. This list changes all the time and seems more based on the current situation rather than long term keeper concept. (AND SO IT SHOULD!!!) Predicting LONG term keeper value is VERY difficult and a list focused on that would be largely wrong in most cases and pretty much useless. Dig out some old hockey pool magazines and take a look at who the next "big names" in hockey USED to be. Then pull your head out of your arse and show some respect.

Byfuglien will WIN you your pool this year, Green will NOT. Hence the current rating. If Green explodes over the next month you will see that next time the list is updated. If a star player suffers a long term injury his value should take a big hit for now. It doesn't mean you should trade him for a lesser player. When he's ready to come back Dobber WILL be on it and you will see his value jump again. If you are too dumb to see that "artificial" value change then you shouldn't be making comments here.

The Dobberhockey forums are really suffering (IMO) lately with all the bickering and arguments based on short term/long term values about certain players. If you've spent the past few seasons here you will have seen Green compared with the Big 3 last year and now this season there are several respected regulars valuing him lower than Tavares. If Stamkos goes thru a slump his value WILL sink like a stone in many people's eyes. Byfuglien has gone from almost nobody to stud over night. That is how fickle fantasy hockey GM's are. The "What have you done for me lately" attitude prevails EVERY single time. If you can't see that then you are either blind, ignorant, or just inexperienced. Stick around for a couple more seasons and you will see all sorts of crazy ups and downs with player values. That's how it works and complaining about a monthly list is pretty stupid.

If you are one of those idiots complaining that your favorite player isn't ranked high enough it's time to STFU. You can't expect Dobber (or anyone) to write player values in stone when there is SO much change on a weekly/monthly/yearly basis. Not to mention the fact that almost EVERY pool has different scoring systems. THE TASK YOU ARE CRITICIZING HIM FOR IS ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE ONE!!! DON'T BE AN ASS!!!

He gives his opinions and rankings and gets criticized to death yet his critics don't even take the time to read the reasoning and factors that go into them.

Meanwhile, keep up the good work Dobber. Your rankings and the system you use is great and totally suited for all the pools that I know of in my area. I don't always agree with your views on certain players either. I've been burned by some of your opinions but have also benefitted greatly on others. It seems so obvious, but that's how it goes.
January 03, 2011
Votes: +1

bball said:

bballplyr321
... Dobber,

In response

1. The fact is that in a keeper league, there should not be merely 10 points seperating the two players. You want us to all buy into the Malkin is superior because of what he did 18 months ago argument but you fail to give the same consideration to many other situations. This was the most glaring issue. Where was Dustin Byf 18 months ago? He was a third line player on offense who occasionally switched back to D. Where was Green? He was arguably a top 5 draft pick in ANY league. Has Green had a rough year? Yes he has. But so has Malkin. I agree. Malkin is an elite talent. But you can't use one argument to defend him in your rankings and then trash another player citing the exact opposite.

2. Fair point and it is appreciated when things develop over time. I realize that no system is foolproof and I also understand that although you devote countless hours to this site, you cannot possibly watch every player and be able to comment on all of them. But to be fair, I never said that I would trade Hall for a top 10 talent. The point I was trying to make is that I feel that your list is so based on the last months stats that the shifts appear to be unrealistic.

3. My issue is not that Lecalvier is ranked where he is right now, my issue is again, you have players that you latch on to. Prior to the 2008/2009 season, Vinny was ranked in the top 5. It took three years for him to drop 40 slots in your rankings? Again sir, with all due respect, I know that you love this guy and even into this year, you were making comments along the lines that those of us that have given up on him will regret it. That, in my mind, is latching on.

4. I definitely agree that his value in a keeper league has taken a hit this year due to his injury. The point I was trying to make, and perhaps this is due to my way of thinking, but if I can acquire an elite LW for pennies on the dollar, well, I am all over it. But I am certainly not going to sell uber low on a guy like Parise just because he is injured

Again sir, I mean no disrespect but there has to be some consistency in your rankings. I know that you cannot please everyone but your argument becomes so much more plausible when you treat all players equally and do not play favorites.
January 03, 2011
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
ARGH This bugs me -
IF TWO PLAYERS ARE WITHIN 10 OF EACH OTHER, UNDER "RATING", THEN I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. TOO CLOSE TO CALL!

It won't be the last time I say it, because newbies will always jump on, glance at the list, and judge. But hopefully it will stem the tide for the time being. I really want these comments to ask questions of my opinion, or point out HUGE discrepancies. I don't care if Byfuglien is rated 98 and Green is rated 97, when in your league it should be vice versa. Who cares? Point out something with 50 points difference, something that matters. Please and thank you.
January 02, 2011
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... bball
Here goes

1. Byfuglien has 40 points, Green has 18, and you can't admit that their value in keeper leagues are equal? Shame on you. I'd expand further, but I swore that I wouldn't get into a discussion if two player's RATINGS are within 10 of each other. Their difference in rating is 0.3 LOL. Rest assured, in my TWO leagues Green would be traded for Byfuglien.

2. Hall - in both my leagues he would not be traded straight up for any player not in the Top 10. His value is still too low. Sorry man, it looks like your keeper league isn't the only one in this world. As for "why" he moved up so many - that's the result of my new factor. I said in the intro at the very top: "January is up, complete with the new factor that I discussed in the forum in the Dobber's Take section." If read that, then you wouldn't have asked that question.

3. Lecavalier - last month I traded him for Omark and seven very high draft picks over the next three years. Basically, only about 15 players in the NHL could have received such a return. So having him ranked 18th on November 1, while you considered it "latching on", I was actually bang on with my evaluation. Proving again that there are other leagues in this world, with other personalities and other rules. I "latched on", then traded him when I felt that "latching on" was no longer correct. Knee-jerk reactions will lose you more pools than it will win.

4. Your point about Parise is exactly right - he is useless to win this year, and in keeper leagues you not only have to look ahead, but look to the current year as well. Anyone going for the trophy this season in your league is uninterested in acquiring Parise. So would that not, in theory, hurt his value in a keeper league?
January 02, 2011
Votes: +1

bball said:

bballplyr321
... No disrespect Dobber but it is hard to take this list seriously anymore. You have shown time and time again that you will latch onto specific players and ride them keeping them way up on your rankings without anything more then a hunch (Lecalvier for the last two seasons). But at the same time, you have some significant movement due to recent play (Hall moves up 22 spots? UMMMM, Why? Because you had moved him so far down due to his poor play). You can't have it both ways sir. Stick to your guns and stop playing favorites. Then other players will move MASSIVELY due to an injury (Parise and Roy come to mind right now but there have been others). For a keeper league list, I agree that there should be movement but this kind of significant movement? The only reason I would trade Parise for Paul Stastny right now is because I need to win this season. But other then that, I would prefer to hold onto the proven young LW.

I will leave you with this last bit. In what world would you trade Mike Green for Dustin Byfuglien? In what world are they even close than a one year league?
January 02, 2011
Votes: +0

Ron Burgundy said:

Ron Burgundy
Colborne Big jump for Big Joe II this month - into the top 200. I like his progression with Providence and have been high on the kid for a couple of years. Looks like you are too but if you have any info behind the jump beyond this I'd love to hear it.
January 02, 2011
Votes: +0

Ross The Boss Palmer said:

Ross The Boss Palmer
Quick Question Just wondering on Hall, Eberle, and Bobby Ryan. They are deservably ranked well. If all goes as planned, do you see these three skaters moving up to the top 25 or higher in the next year or two?

I feel Logan Couture also has the skill set, teammates, and development around him to join the aforementioned in the top 25 in the rankings. Also, Kesler may make the leap next year into a top 10 spot.
January 02, 2011
Votes: +0

crazyman said:

ddp
take it easy Yeah guys take it easy, just use dobber's input for a bit of help. Don't rely on it, afterall, nevermind stamkos/malkin, guy still has Ovechkin #1 ahead of Crosby. THAT is redonkulous!
December 29, 2010
Votes: +0

gfunkb7 said:

gfunkb7
stamkos vs malkin Y'all who aren't happy with the top 300, have yourselves a math degree, perform well-balanced statistical analysis, construct your own website, wait 3 to 5 years of following on daily basis statistical data and create your own effing Top 300.

This is HIS own perception of the NHL as of now (and future value). Take the ratings he has put, perform your own, compare results, apply a weighted-average of YOUR Top 300 and DOBBER's Top 300 ET VOILA ---> Stamkos is a top 4.

For gawd's sake, who gives if Stamkos is not considered in the top four!!! Seriously. Doesn't change the fact he's gonna put up the numbers.

This is redonkulous!
December 02, 2010
Votes: -1

barneyg said:

cabro57
Malkin MT319 -- if you get too emotional we may end up losing your point, that post was way too long.

Before that playoff run, Malkin posted 113 points with a healthy Crosby, in his 3rd NHL season. Hitting 120 points? Sounds reasonable.
December 02, 2010
Votes: +0

Willie Lump Lump said:

Ogie_Oglethorpe
So...
Stamkos + Hall + Parise < Malkin ? smilies/shocked.gif
December 02, 2010
Votes: +0

MT319 said:

MT319
... “Give you better feedback than this” every single statement you made in that post was already touched on by someone below and none of what you said was back up by anything other than your subjective opinion...you’re kidding yourself if you think Malkin is putting up 140 points playing second fiddle to Crosby in Pittsburgh..only if he get’s moved elsewhere will he ever make good on his 120+ upside and reach his peak potential capacity on an individual level..playing with Crosby thwarts his individual development...until then he is a perennial 90-100 point option and most certainly is not at least by any considerable extent, if even at all, a better option than Stamkos which is the main point here anyway...you want to think he is personally for whatever reason that’s fine just like it’s fine if you want to think the sun revolves around the earth simply because you see it moving laterally across the sky each day..however in both cases these things do not reflect reality. You keep citing his “playoff points-per-game average from 18 months ago” before he won a cup like it’s the end all be all of statistics then just turn around and completely negate the fact that PIT was in the playoffs last year and he scored at below point-per-game pace (11 points in 13 games) which is even below the 90-95 point pace he scored at in the regular season last year and about the same 90-95 point pace he will finish at this season and PIT was in the playoffs the year prior to that as well where he scored 22 in 20 at again 90-95 point pace...you speak of Stamkos like his 51 goals 95 points last year is nothing to take seriously only to watch him rip out of the gates at 130 point pace will he slow down..I believe so..but he will likely finish in that 100-110 block that Malkin even with his assist-heavy production in comparison to Stamkos’s goal-heavy production will be extremely hard pressed to reach given his current 68 point pace...like I said you like Malkin personally over Stamkos that’s one thing but to sit there and say to the people who follow your site mockingly “give you better feedback than this” and essentially “I’m right because I said I’m right” and “because he’s scored at 1.5 point per game pace in the playoffs of 2009” again in complete negligence to the fact that he scored at just over point per game pace (22 in 20) in the 2008 playoffs, below point-per-game in last years 2010 playoffs (11 in 13), scored at that same 90-95 point pace in the regular season last year, and will be extremely hard pressed to even hit an assist-heavy 95 points again this season is laughable and not at all in touch with reality in terms of being indicative that he is a superior option to Stamkos...long story short Malkin on Pittsburgh and Stamkos on TB are both perennial 90-110 point options for the foreseeable future with Stamkos having the more impressive production of the two as his is goal heavy...and again until Malkin finds himself in a place where he doesn’t have to play second fiddle to a superior option in Crosby (which you also clearly acknowledge since you have him ranked below Crosby on that chart) he will not reach his 120+ upside..nevermind hit 140 points
December 02, 2010
Votes: +1

D M said:

saywhaaaaat
... Doughty drops 45 spots? After putting up 59 points last year? Why?

Should I really swap him for Big Buff in a heartbeat, as the list seems to suggest?
December 01, 2010
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Everyone who doubts Malkin - you're wrong. We'll see in a few years, let's readdress in 2015. Until then, trust in me (and win). Or don't (and takes your chances). Malkin WILL get 120+ points and I think he'll get 140. Sigh...how quickly we forget his 1.50 points per game pace in the PLAYOFFS just 18 months ago...not even a memory...

Malkin is the most talented player in the NHL, when he wants to be. And I think, some day soon, he will be fully healthy and fully hungry. Then you will see.


This is NOT just about numbers. This is about my opinion on a player's upside. Malkin's is WAY higher than Stamkos. Not even a discussion. Either believe me, or don't. I've been wrong before. But it will be 2015 before I ease off on this stance. All I ask is for five years to prove my point. Five years.

Burp - Parise is out for the season, so in keeper leagues he holds no value to those who are looking to win this year. That eliminates half your trade partners right there. So for this year, as a contender, give me Spezza


C'mon gentlemen and ladies! Give me better feedback than this. The Stamkos vs. Malkin thing grows tiring. You'll NEVER change my mind. Just like you were never able to change my mind about Carey Price being in the Top 10 of my goalies last year. When will you learn?
December 01, 2010
Votes: -1

mike hess said:

SharkMeat
Malkin versus Stamkos Dobber...this should be about numbers and not personal preferences....A stastical model only works if you keep the personal bias out of the system. If the model has a a measure of acceration based on the stats then it should move Stamkos above Malkin ver very soon....
November 12, 2010
Votes: +0

jason said:

toewsfan
Stamkos Vs Malkin (continued) This debate is getting more and more clear each day.

Malkin and Stamkos both have played 15 games.

Malkin has 12 points (4G, 8A = 12Pts).

Stamkos has 14 Goals. Stamkos has 12 Assists. (14G, 12A = 26Pts).

You don't even have to count Stamkos' assists and he is outperforming Malkin! Stamkos is Brett Hull with better vision and a motor that never stops. He is probably the best player in the NHL in terms of how he plays when he does not have possession of the puck.

To excel at fantasy hockey, you have to recognize changes in the NHL landscape a month before they occur, not a month after they occur.
November 12, 2010
Votes: +1

jason said:

toewsfan
Stamkos Vs Malkin Dobber: I have to agree with Michael and bball. Regardless of which player you like better, it makes no sense that your rating system creates a 213 gap between Stamkos and Malkin. Many execs around the NHL believe Stamkos will score 50-60 goals on a yearly basis, if healthy. Even in points-only leagues, its reasonable to argue that Stamkos will still outpace Malkin. I'm not saying Stamkos is better, but clearly the two of them are neck-and-neck. Like it or not, the big three is now the big four.
November 08, 2010
Votes: +1

Burp said:

ddp
why? Why O why you have that Dork Spezza way ahead of Parise is beyond me. Spezza the bandaid boy has done nothing.
November 03, 2010
Votes: +0

Michael said:

MT319
... You overvalue Malkin...he will never reach his peak potential capacity on an individual level playing under Crosby and 16 months ago he did not have a cup...i'm sure you've noticed the same story with Staal...year he was battling for Cup 100pts plus big playoff numbers on top of it, now with that in tow numbers around 75-85 range are what he's gonna put up..same story with Malkin and it's gonna be the same story with Patrick Kane this season...it's not a coincidence to see Malkin's numbers dip to the 90-100 range and start off 2010 again on 60 point pace (which he'll obviously improve on...but not to these mythical 110-120 point seasons people over-project for him). Best Malkin has ever been was when he had the sole role as teams top offensive threat with Crosby out (with I believe a foot injury a few years back)...he needs to find himself in a situation where he is the sole leader of his teams offense before he'll ever make good on his 110-120 pt upside and that's not gonna happen until he finds his way out of Pittsburgh...until then he's a 90-100 point player no different than Steve Stamkos
November 03, 2010
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... bball

See my column for my thoughts on this:
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/36017-Fantasy-Pool-Look-Does-Stamkos-make-it-the-Big-Four.html
November 02, 2010
Votes: +0

bball said:

bballplyr321
... Dobber,

Just curious as to the ranking of the big three. I do not argue that they have the highest ceiling but to have the ranking of Malkin be over twice the ranking of the next player, Stamkos in this case, well, does it seem a little excessive? Is this huge differential due to the difference in the ceiling that Malkin has in relation to Stamkos? Age does not seem to be the issue as Stamkos is younger than Malkin. I realize that this is only the third year that Stamkos has been a pro but he showed last season that he can straight score and this year he has picked up right where he left off. Meanwhile Malkin has come off a dismal injury plagued season and has really not gotten off to any kind and now he has another undisclosed injury. I agree that I still would not trade Malkin straight up for Stamkos but in the same breathe, there is no way in the world that I would trade two Stamkos for one Malkin. Even in a keeper league. So the question then is aside from the ceiling that Malikn has, what about Malkin is so superior that your rankings show he is twice as valuable than Stamkos. Or am I misinterpretting the "rating" column?

Thank you sir
November 01, 2010
Votes: +0

Mabus said:

mabus
... Yea Dobber - the most fun thing about fantasy hockey is pointing out the times we are right and hoping nobody noticed the times when we were wrong. Oilers - Yes, Kane is number 164.

Mabus
September 30, 2010
Votes: -1

Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
E Kane Evander Kane?? Where would he rank (Did I just miss him??)
September 17, 2010
Votes: +0

Jon Dey said:

Sovereign
WOW.... really going off the board with some of these, it seems.

I don't know the formula, but I am guess gut feeling is trumping formula in a lot of instances.

Some are affect by injuries I understand, but damn. Again, I think I use these as a decent basis, and not as scripture.

I advise all of you to do the same. Dobber will get you started by you have to disagree a lot of the time. He may claim to be right 52% of the time, but 48% is a big number too.

September 01, 2010
Votes: +2

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Mabus - if we were in the same pool, you would make a good trade partner. We disagree on this. I'm not a big Lecavalier fan, but I have a healthy respect for what he did three years ago and I acknowledge all his recent injuries. Are they behind him for next season? I believe so. Did he finally find a linemate? I believe so. The rankings are just my belief on players to help my readers get a leg up. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'm gambling that I am right and it will win me the pool if I am.
September 01, 2010
Votes: +0

Mabus said:

mabus
... I know you like stats but were smart not to become a stock analyst. Your attitude on some guys like Lecavalier is the classic - I'm losing money, but I'd rather go down with the ship than admit defeat. I can think of a few instances where you were the last guy on the ship (I think I was commenting the same way about Kariya last year at this time).

In a points only keeper, choosing Lecavalier over Stamkos seems crazy to me. Very crazy. It's in the same ballpark as Tavares over Kane - kind of crazy. You said I was crazy last year when I said Stamkos would get more points than Tavares - and it wasn't even close. This year I'm sure I'll catch the same flack for saying Stamkos will get 15+ more points than Vinny, but I'll still stick by it anyway.

Mabus
August 24, 2010
Votes: +3

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Fantasy Guide - this year
These Rankings - keeper INCLUDING PLAYOFFS.


Big changes every August, as I said in the intro. August is the month where I audit each and every variable on the chart. The April-July rankings are the least reliable, and the August rankings are the reliable. (I should copy and paste this speech next August - the newcomers always make the same comments LOL)
August 11, 2010
Votes: +0

DeadSkinMask said:

DeadSkinMask
... Why did Jamie Benn drop 38 spots??
Look at all the bums that rank ahead of him?

Anyone? I don't get it....
August 09, 2010
Votes: -1

torrock said:

torrock
grrrr Our protected lists are due by August 1st ...

I protected Mueller (ranked 56th) over Eberle (ranked 126th)

A day later I saw the August update:

Eberle jumped 87 spots to 38th overall ... Mueller dropped 13 spots to 69th

OUCH!!! What a difference a month makes
August 03, 2010
Votes: +0

mike hess said:

SharkMeat
HARTNELL which is best 300 or the fantasy guide...some big changes on some...Mike
August 02, 2010
Votes: +2

Derrek said:

TangerineDreamTeam
Hossa vs Lecav. Well I'm hoping that you're wrong and Hossa does well... but I recently traded Boyes and Lecavelier to get Hossa and Pavelski.
If your predictions are right i lose out in points on this trade...
How can Hossa be ranked higher than Lecav here if you think theres a 20 point difference this year?!!? Oh and Lecav is a year younger. Or these rankings mean nothing? and i should have just waited for the guide? some insight on the difference would be appreciated.
August 01, 2010
Votes: +1

PuckOff said:

PuckOff
Frolik vs. B. Ryan Hey Dobber, just wondering- You have Frolik and Bobby Ryan dangerously close. I have a post on this in the forums... How would you view them as trade value long term? It is a tough call, as Ryan is proven but I see great stuff out of Frolik. Very similar play styles as well.

Could you elaborate on your views for these two?
July 05, 2010
Votes: +1

Mike said:

MaxPower
... Avery, Holmstrom, and Hunter. Not in the top 300? That seems strange (to me).
July 05, 2010
Votes: +0

Dean Read said:

deantime419
Erik Christensen Did he sign in Europe or something? Does the MZA signing really push him that far down there depth charts? I quite enjoyed the points he put up for me down the stretch at next to no cost and am considering keeping him if he signs for dirt cheap again next year. (20 team, 12-15 forwards per team, salary cap unlimited keeper league)
June 08, 2010
Votes: +0

BGJ said:

bletchley
... Backstrom is worth miles more than that slug Thornton.
June 04, 2010
Votes: -2

Claudio said:

sakic19
Voracek I can't believe he is so high. Should I go after him in my 2 pools even if im in contention to win again this year??
June 03, 2010
Votes: +1

Martin said:

mapletreemarty
Joe Who?? and Jamie Benn Shouldn't Joe Thornton and Joe Pavelski get switched on this board for the playoffs?? haha

How is Tyler Bozak and Tyler Ennis ahead of Jamie Benn?? He scored 20+ goals in his rookie year.. Ennis only played 3 regular season games and Bozak didn't even get in for half a season.
Are the roles these two going to play going to equal that many more pts. next year than what Benn is going to do in Dallas?? I thought his progress this year was very similar to Neal in his rookie year and look forward to a similar 2nd season (hopefully without the 2nd half drop out).
May 04, 2010
Votes: -1

mike hess said:

SharkMeat
keeper league thoughts loved the rankings, especially the move of new talent into the middle...My issue is with the logic that suggests I would keep Ollie Jokinen 62 when I can have stewart at 63, Raymond at 79, Jussi at 86, Clowe at 105. I had Ollie early and dropped him early due to poor point output. I would not keep him again until he returned to a more consistent point per game player. You taught me a few years ago it is about points and not rankings. Every year I drop the inconsistent and injury prone old guard to take a gamble on new potentials.
May 03, 2010
Votes: +1

STONE. said:

STONE.
... Huge movements this month!
May 03, 2010
Votes: +0

Ian said:

April 28, 2010
Votes: +0

plug said:

April 02, 2010
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Jake - that shocked me as well. Funny enough, that was the first thing that jumped out at me. But let's call a spade a spade - Vanek has now gone three years in a row without getting to 65 points. Meanwhile, Connolly's injury rating I bumped up from a 5.0 (the worst) to a 4.5 - congrats to him for getting in so many games (ironically he's hurt now lol). That did the trick.

Rossi - Detroit's massive run of late boosted their playoff value of all players, adding about three ratings points to each of them. Nyqvist was going up regardless though.

Renegade - Gionta's value will reset after the playoffs and we again look ahead to next year. The injury hurt.

April 01, 2010
Votes: -1

Jake said:

smack
Never Thought I'd see the day where Vanek is below Connolly on the list. Not saying I disagree, but just shocking to see that from you Dobber. Shows how low Vanek's value is right now.
April 01, 2010
Votes: +0

Rossi said:

Dean Youngblood
Detroit Benefits Huge Interesting that 5 of the 8 TOP INCREASERS for April come from the Detroit Red Wings. What gives? Is detroit cleaning house?

Clearly Kronwall ccoming back from injury is one reason and Nyquist winning (speculate) the Hobey Baker helps.

I love how Jussi is literally on top of Olli Jokinen.
April 01, 2010
Votes: +0

Renegade said:

Renegade
Gionta Huge increase in the April rankings? Definitely does not deserve a at 133. Personally, I would have him around the high 70s/low 80s.
March 28, 2010
Votes: +0

Palmofluv said:

ddp
Nevermind Stamkos The fact that Lecavallier is still in the top 10 is mind boggling.
March 11, 2010
Votes: +0

DeadSkinMask said:

DeadSkinMask
... Stamkos could jump into the top 10 by the time the seasons over.
March 10, 2010
Votes: +1

Mike Terrion said:

eyemissgilmour
... I love the Dobber rankings, but I just don't understand how he can justify such a high ranking for Tavares. Junior numbers are pretty much irrelevant when trying to determine what a kid can do in the show. And it's premature to think he can emulate what Stamkos has done this year. Tavares has size and skating issues... Stammer didn't have those - even when he struggled last season.
March 05, 2010
Votes: -1

Ed said:

GoHabsGo
... The highest Hemsky was rated #18 for Jan '09 and Nov '08.

FYI - I have data that goes back to Jan '08
March 05, 2010
Votes: +0

Rossi said:

Dean Youngblood
Hemsky - Former Ranking I know that Ales Hemsky (last season) used to be ranked pretty high on the Top 300 Forwards list.
I was wondering if anyone could remember or tell me how high Hemsky was at one point and what place you think he'd be in if he was healthy and playing this season.

maybe there should be a column that lists the highest rank that player has ever reached - that would be interesting. Cheers
March 05, 2010
Votes: +0

Andrew - duducks said:

duducks
Wash the Semin off your face Where would you rank a 25 year old who is putting up his second season of 100 point pace hockey. Let's add that he's in the top 15 in scoring despite missing 9 games.

I expect Semin to be top 10 in scoring next year, while only playing 72 games. He'll be in a UFA season, expecting to move to a new team. Meanwhile, (to pick on one of the dozen players I think Semin should be ranked higher than) Marleau has played 9 more games to get 1 less point, is 5 years older, and is a UFA now who will likely move to a weaker situation, is ranked 20 points (11 ranks) higher.

Your rankings are my Fantasy Hockey bible Dobber, but I think it's time to make the top 15 rated R, and add a little Semin.
March 02, 2010
Votes: +0

Patrick said:

Gandhi
Non-Playoff list Dobber - love this list and would be interested to see a similar list that did not include playoffs.

Is this something you could easily produce by just taking the playoff value out of the formula as I think there are a lot (if not the majority) of leagues out there that do not count playoffs.
February 11, 2010
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Lecavalier has 26 points in his last 22 games and you still say stuff like that? Funny!
Just run your team as if Lecavalier is ranked 50th. Simply ignore him on this list.

I'll run my team to this list and I recommend others do as well. You come here for my opinion (I hope) and I'm giving it. He is a Top 7 keeper player for points.
February 02, 2010
Votes: +0

Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
Vinny Dobbs ,

Vinny is no longer a top 20 guy I would struggle in taking him in a keeper leauge before anyone in the top 20 time to slide him down to reality and forget what he did a couple YEARS ago
February 02, 2010
Votes: +0

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Fleischmann - 12 points in his last 13 games

Vinny - After seeing what he did three years ago, I am hesitant to bring his upside down from 120 points. And that's what is keeping him up there. I don't see Zach Parise ever hitting that number. There's you difference. Doesn't help that Lemaire will keep Parise under 85 points this year (and in the end, that will only beat Vinny by 10 at the most).

Spezza - finally took a big hit, though his injury had most of the impact.

Horton - has more points this year than Frolik and in the end will have about 15 more. Upside is only part of it. "Here and now" is another factor.
January 02, 2010
Votes: +1

santa said:

ddp
Frolik You have Frolik pegged for 90pts and Horton 85 yet you have Horton ahead of Frolik in the rankings. I'm confused.
December 22, 2009
Votes: +0

bball said:

bballplyr321
... Dobber,

Just curious as to your assessment of Spezza and Vinny. At some point in time, they have to drop in your ratings. Parise has shown for the past two years that he is legit and Kane is still a pup and producing at an incredibly rate for his position and age. And yet, two guys that have produced pretty much nothing over the past two years (I have noticed as I have had them both years...YIKES!!!) are ahead of these two guys. I realize that Vinny is scoring at a pretty good clip this year but Spezza did nothing last year and even less this year and is not showing any signs of breaking back out of this funk. Help me to understand.

Thanks Dobber
November 30, 2009
Votes: +4

mike hess said:

SharkMeat
Fleischmann I think you need to him drop farther and not move him up 22 spots. He has been falling off quickly since his hot run with the return or top 6 forwards. The only reason not to is if you expect him to continue to do well even with Ovie, first line and second line now back from injuries. Even when WA scores 7 he is not in the mix. Mike
November 30, 2009
Votes: +3

Rad64 said:

Rad64
Ups and Downs Wow, that's one of the biggest adjustments I've seen in a while. Very interesting.
November 30, 2009
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Hey Jerry - just posted the update and now I see your Gaborik note. He budged, (completely unprompted by your comment - just had to be clear on that smilies/wink.gif )

It's very hard to budge an inch when you are already in the Top 50. However, it is very easy to budge many inches the further down the list you are. A player 33rd can gain three ratings points and not move up a single spot, whereas a player ranked 350th can go up 100 spots on three ratings points.

So check the ratings - and not the rankings.
November 30, 2009
Votes: +0

Jerry said:

CallMeJerry
... Interesting to see if Dobber gives any respect to Gaborik in the next update. He didn't budge Gaborik up an inch after his killer October. Yet I bet the permanently injured Eric Fehr skyrockets in the next update.
November 29, 2009
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Alain Brosseau said:

brosal04
Tomas Holmstrom I dont see him on list, i think he deserves to be in top 300. What you think?
November 08, 2009
Votes: +1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Thanks for the continued comments guys, and being polite about them to boot haha.


Tavares vs. Stamkos - both will get equal points. Both on similar weak teams. Both are similar in age. The difference here is upside - Tavares 120+ points vs. Stammer at 105 or so.



Kariya - You are correct. I tried to fidget with the variables in the formula for him, but honestly couldn't knock him down any further. I do believe he will get 70 or 75 points this year, despite his start. But regardless, I wouldn't knock a player ranked 30th down to 100th in a single month unless he got hurt.

Filatov - Incorrect on this one. One of just 20 players, give or take, with 100-plus upside. Too priceless to give up.



Clarkson - my oversight. I've added him to the template for next month. He would fall in around 156. Thanks for this.

November 04, 2009
Votes: +1

Mabus said:

mabus
Kariya and Filatov Hey Dobber,

It feels like you are being stubborn on Kariya and Filatov. Both seem to be greatly overvalued here.
November 04, 2009
Votes: -1

MLG said:

MLG
Clarkson why no love for David Clarkson? he's not even ranked. several think he's this years Backes and so far he's done well.
November 04, 2009
Votes: +0

DeadSkinMask said:

DeadSkinMask
... Tavares is up at #18, but you have Stamkos all the way down at #42? O_o

I fail to understand this logic.

Do you really think there is that big of gap between the two?
For my money, I'll take Stamkos this year, and based on the way he looks so far, I'd feel safe taking him over Tavares 2 or 3 years. After that, they should have similar numbers for years to come.

I've never questioned you in the comment section, but this one just punched me in the face when I saw it, and had to ask.

Cheers, and Keep up the good work.

November 04, 2009
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... Keith - Kovy will never get 120 points. The Big 3 could and in my opinion should get to 150 when they hit their prime. There's your difference. You can't put a price on stacking so many points into one roster spot.

Oiler's Rock - Ribeiro - yes. O'Sullivan - yes. Staal - in my pools with my rules (i.e. playoffs count) YES. Lupul - no. Frolov - no. But I don't go through all 700 players on my list and manually give my opinion one by one every month. I use a formula so my own bias is kept out of these rankings as much as possible. Also don't go by where they rank, but go by what their RATING is. So if the difference between Player A (40th) and Player B (70th) is 5.5 rating points, then they are virtually the same and as I've said before - not worth arguing over.
November 03, 2009
Votes: +1

Oilers rock 99 said:

Oilers rock 99
would you really?? Dobber, Dobber,Dobber, would you really take.....

Antoine Vermette(91), Stephen Weiss(79), Joffrey Lupul(6smilies/cool.gif, Jordan Staal(57), Alexander Frolov(52), Patrick O'Sullivan(41), Mike Ribeiro(29), Before Loui Eriksson(9smilies/cool.gif??

would you really trade any of thoose guys straight up for Loui Eriksson??
October 04, 2009
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Keith said:

Oilers rock 99
why so far??? why would kovalchuk be so far behind the big 3 in point rating system ?? kovy was only 12 pts back of crosby and other stats are very close as well so what gives is there really a 250 pt diffrence?? compare the little drop off in pts between kovy and Vincent Lecavalier yet there is only 12 ranling pts between them can you explain further??
September 04, 2009
Votes: -1

madiba72 said:

madiba72
Patrick O'Sullivan Over-rated He would never be in my top 40. Hes 25 yrs old now, so if he was going to do something signicant he would have done it by now. Im dropping him from my keeper list in favour of some younger guys that that might actually do somehting significant (Voracek, Oshie, Okposo, Horton)
August 15, 2009
Votes: +2

RoughEmUp said:

RoughEmUp
Colin Wilson? Not listed. Oversight? I suppose JVR might become interested now that he is in the NHL, but Wilson thoroughly outplayed him for two seasons in Hockey East. Like the addition of Nyquist here- He looked really slick last year and could a POY favorite in Hockey East this coming year.
August 09, 2009
Votes: +2

gatticus said:

GMGates
Antti Miettinen Couldn't find him in the top 300. Has his value dropped that much?
August 05, 2009
Votes: +0

tmlpowerplay said:

Excelsior
... Hey dobber why no love for Wheeler? Especially with Krejci & Kessel on the IR for a while.
I thought he had a decent rookie campaign.
I see in the guide you have him on the 4th line.
August 03, 2009
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lanky522 said:

lanky522
... Hey dobber... i know this is an indication of "typical value" in keeper leagues... but unless you're including pitiful novice pools in this calculation, do you really think that tavares warrants being a top 30 player before he's even played a game?

I mean seriously... you have him ranked higher than toews, mike green, vanek, hossa, briere... the list goes on and on...

I wouldn't trade any one of those guys straight up for tavares at this point in time. And on the flip side, if i owned tavares, and i was offered any of those guys for him straight up, i'd take the deal without thinking twice.

When you consider that these rankings include playoffs too, it just seems kind of inappropriate to have his "value" that high at this point. Because anyone that isn't a fantasy novice would likely take the more established guys ranked behind him first any day of the week.
August 01, 2009
Votes: -1

Dobber said:

Dobber
... I explained in the first note - these aren't rises or drops. These are market corrections. Players are where they should be now.
August 01, 2009
Votes: +1

towntoker said:

towntoker
... Why such a drop for purcell ?
August 01, 2009
Votes: +0

Rad64 said:

Rad64
... Interesting to see a general fall in the value of Sharks and Bruins. What gives?
August 01, 2009
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sircountalot said:

sircountalot
... Pronger at 217, Coburn at 229, but no love for Timonen? Wow...I'm surprised, talk about flying under the radar.
July 31, 2009
Votes: +1

chimp82x said:

chimp82x
... Buck0198: They look like the largest rank increase, largest rank decrease, and new additions.
July 31, 2009
Votes: +0

dcarrbaby said:

dcarrbaby
... Kariya at 32, no way. There is some big moves, not the typical safe adjustments to the rankings.
July 31, 2009
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buck0198 said:

buck0198
hmmm? What are the little segments after the top 300? They are like 10,7,6 players long...what are they supposed to represent?
July 31, 2009
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ross10019 said:

ross10019
... Dobber, why the precipitous drop for Clowe? I am now wondering whether I should keep Plekanec over Clowe in my keeper league (points only).
July 31, 2009
Votes: +0

Slantman said:

Slantman
Kovalchuk I was in the car the other day thinking about hockey as usual. I was trying to come up with who I'd take over Kovalchuk in a keeper league and could only come up with Malkin, Crosby and Ovechkin. Given what Kovalchuk did last year with almost no help I HAD to rank him fourth, especially now that he has Antropov, a nice complementary player. It's nice to see I'm not the only one who feels that strongly about Kovy.
July 31, 2009
Votes: +2

Renegade said:

Renegade
... Holy big jump for Kariya!
July 31, 2009
Votes: -2
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