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Looking back to July 2010 and a fantasy rivalry that was beginning in earnest: Taylor vs Tyler

 

It’s always fun to look at some of the league’s most significant player rivalries. In some cases it’s a quam born out of some classic playoff matchup (Iginla v. Lecavalier anyone? I still get goose bumps), or from being the NHL foremost stars (Ovechkin and Crosby) and then there are the comparisons we’re treated to annually via the entry draft.

I’m sure that guys rarely harbor any dislike of one another, but you can bet that all elite talent will be pitted against their fellow draft mates year after year. Most recently there was the Duchene, Hedman, and Tavares discussion (one that really shouldn’t have been that close in hindsight), or the 2003 draft (although this one had about 15 strong fantasy plays).

Today, however, I want to look back to July 2010 and the world of endless “T” alliterations that we were all living in – Taylor versus Tyler.

The biggest question in the media was who Edmonton would select first – the bull of a winger with one of the most powerful skating strides of any prospect, or the talented, two way centerman to anchor their forward group. They of course opted the former and Seguin ended up in Boston, where he promptly won a cup (and then was summarily declared to have a personality unfit for a winning culture – yes, note the juxtaposition here) and eventually wound up in Dallas.

While there was the debate in Edmonton over who to select, there was a parallel discussion in the hockey pool world – who would be the superior fantasy asset?  At the time I was firmly entrenched in the Hall camp. My rationale was that he would develop into a consistent 80 point, 300 shot player. Mix in the odd penalty and body check and he would have the ability to be a top 10 option. Conversely, I saw Seguin having a potentially higher points ceiling (only slightly), but lacking the shot volume to be a truly elite fantasy player.

Looking back to Dobber’s prospect rankings in 2010 it’s interesting to see that he has Hall ranked just above Seguin at number one (we’ll give him a break on Filatov at four, mainly because I was guilty of drafting him far too early on many occasions).

 

Rank Player Team
1 Taylor Hall EDM
2 Tyler Seguin BOS
3 Jordan Eberle EDM
4 Nikita Filatov CBJ
5 Tyler Ennis BUF
6 Tyler Bozak TOR
7 Kyle Turris PHO
8 Logan Couture SJ
9 Cody Hodgson VAN
10 Brayden Schenn LA
11 Lars Eller MTL
12 Mikael Backlund CGY
13 Joe Colborne BOS
14 Mikkel Boedker PHO
15 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson EDM
16 Brett MacLean PHO
17 Viktor Stalberg CHI
18 Colin Wilson NSH
19 Michael Grabner FLA
20 Nazem Kadri TOR
21 Zach Boychuk CAR
22 Ville Leino PHI
23 Oscar Moller LA
24 Max Pacioretty MTL
25 Shawn Matthias FLA
26 Evgeny Grachev NYR
27 Drayson Bowman CAR
28 Nino Niederreiter NYI
29 Nathan Gerbe BUF
30 Luca Caputi TOR
31 Jiri Tlusty CAR
32 Mattias Tedenby NJ
33 Evgeny Kuznetsov WAS
34 Eric Tangradi PIT
35 Gustav Nyquist DET
36 Tomas Tatar DET
37 Vladimir Tarasenko STL
38 Cal O'Reilly NSH
39 Mathieu Perreault WAS
40 Brandon Yip COL
41 Edward Purcell TB
42 Dustin Jeffrey PIT
43 Derek Stepan NYR
44 Sergei Shirokov VAN
45 Kirill Kabanov NYI
46 Chris Kreider NYR
47 Petr Straka CBJ
48 Ben Maxwell MTL
49 Michal Repik FLA
50 Linus Omark EDM

 

Flashing forward four years a number of things have changed. Hall has had some difficulty staying healthy for a full campaign (although in fairness he did play 45 of 48 during the lockout) and Edmonton’s team struggles have been reflected in his plus minus (minus 11 this year). For Seguin, landing in Dallas may actually be a positive for his fantasy stock. He’ll now be the focal point of an offence (unlike Boston) and is part of what could be a dominant first line for many years playing with Jamie Benn and Valeri Nichushkin (don’t enter tangent on Nichushkin’s awesomeness, don’t enter tangent on Nichushkin’s awesomeness, don’t…)

While I still have Hall as the more valuable player (for me in standard leagues he is sixth behind the grouping of Ovheckin, Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin and Tavares), Seguin’s stock has increased considerably. This season he’s shooting more (265 shot pace) and looks capable of challenging 40 goals at some point. The development of Benn and Nichushkin (and the complementary players Dallas adds to the mix) will be important in determining how high his production can reach.

If you’re yet to weigh in on this debate don’t worry, their combined age (44) is just barely older than Teemu Selanne – needless to say this one will go on for a while. Much like July of 2010 there isn’t a correct answer to this one just yet and I’m sure I’ll be revisiting it in the not too distant future.

Darren is a fantasy hockey writer for Dobber Hockey. You can follow him @FantasyHockeyDK


Also check out Looking Back...at February, 2003 Top Players



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Ed. said:

Ed.
... The thing to remember with these rankings is that they aren't based only on who will be the most awesome, but also give points for opportunity, and potential for immediate results, hence Bozak's ranking at #6. He was older than most of the other prospects, and had 30 or so NHL games under his belt, primarily in a top-6 role.
February 14, 2014
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mojavedesert said:

mojavedesert
... I had some qualms when I read "quam" in the second sentence. smilies/cheesy.gif

This debate may never be settled as I think you can't go wrong with either player, depending on your league categories. If Hall is frequently injured over the years then we can say Seguin is the better choice, but if we can eliminate that as a variable, then having either on your roster is fine.
February 13, 2014
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Darren_Kennedy said:

Darren_Kennedy
... Thanks for the feedback, it has been a fun topic to write on (also making me feel old because I can clearly remember 10 years ago)

The one other name that intrigues me above is Kuznetsov. While I don't think he'll be an elite talent there is no reason he can't be a very productive NHLer. Even more so if he lands on a line or PP unit with Ovechkin with any sort of regularity.
February 12, 2014
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toddmackay said:

toddmackay
... Hey Darren... I like these flashback articles as they identify some of the pros and cons of evaluating prospects... a lot of those guys listed in the Top 50 can already be considered busts..

I also enjoyed your 2003 article but in that one you had a small bit on which players have 'leapfrogged their projected draft position (real and fantasy) and it would be cool if you had the same done here..

My top 10 keepers so far would be:

1/ Hall
2/ Seguin
4/ Eberle
8/ Couture
24/ Pacioretty
20/ Kadri
35/ Nyquist (quickly moving up this list!!)
43/ Stepan
6/ Bozak
41/ Purcell (hehe Edward)

Honourable Mentions
5/ Ennis
14/ Boedker
46/ Kreider
7/ Turris
28/ Niederreiter

Cheers,
February 12, 2014
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