Wondering aloud about the pre-season, shootouts and Alexander Steen




The actual NHL season is still pretty far away (October eighth) but hey at least we’ll soon have pre-season games! That might be the ultimate sign of a desperate poolie, the day you ask your buddies to do a preseason draft.


More often than not the silly season ignored by fans. I tend to take a different approach. Sure, you can’t really get a gauge on individual skillsets. Because certain players are working on different aspects of their game, you can’t judge the box score results the way you normally would. For instance, maybe Iginla is working his way back from a wrist injury and is intentionally passing more than usual. It will pull down his shot and goal totals artificially.



Then there is the issue of rookies and AHL-bound players treating every game as if the Cup is sitting rink-side beside Phil Pritchard (and rightly so, they’re playing for their job). But contrast that to an established veteran who is simply trying to avoid getting hurt and preparing for his regular slate of games come October.



Where I start to attach some value to these games is when looking at coaches and their strategies. At some point in September teams will start working on their first and second unit powerplays; establishing who is going to play where, which forward is sliding back to defence, and so forth. This is where it gets interesting. Take Jeff Skinner as an example. There are rumblings that he is going to see extended time on the first unit alongside Staal and Semin – a significant boost to his value. If that’s the look we see regularly in the pre-season, it could have an impact on your draft rankings.


Here is the pre-season schedule over at NHL.com




I just spent 400 words rambling about the pre-season and why it’s important. Hard to believe it has come to this.




Trying to define what exactly Alex Steen is has been one of the more fun storylines to follow this summer.


There are warning signs, to be sure. Last year’s 62 points in 68 games was supported by an unsustainable shooting percentage of 15.6%, five percent above his career norm. He also saw an inordinate amount of ice time (20:16 per game, with 3:19 on the man advantage), surprising considering Hitchcock’s history of spreading out minutes to his top guys.


But I certainly don’t mean to belie the positives, of which there were many. His 211 shots cemented him as one of the league’s more consistent shooters. A 240 shot pace (something he’s more than capable of in a healthy year), would put him inside the top 30. With St.Louis smack in the middle of their contending years, his plus minus should remain intact.


Taking a quick look over his advanced stats there is nothing overly troublesome. A more than reasonable teammate on-ice shooting percentage of 8.9%. And a relatively low PDO of .990. There’s an argument that his high shooting percentage may be cancelled out somewhat by his poor puck luck.


All this is to say, I’d expect more of the same from Steen in his age 30 year. You can draft for 55 points and 200 shots, knowing that there’s always a chance he delivers more.




A nice read over at Winging it in Motown on Detroit’s zone entries. One passage does a nice job of answering a question I’ve heard asked many times; if carrying the puck in is preferable to dumping it in, how has Los Angeles been so successful with their dump and chase style?


…LA Kings - who have spent the last couple years at the top of the league in possession despite playing a lot of dump & chase hockey. The answer is - yes, the LA Kings don't carry the puck into the offensive zone as much as other teams. Do you know who carries the puck in even less? The answer is whoever the Kings are playing against. While LA isn't exceptionally good at carrying the puck in with possession, they are as elite as it gets at preventing the other team from doing so, which is why shot attempts for LA games are notoriously low. The point is that winning the neutral zone battle is key, and measuring offensive zone entries is a nice way to measure which team is outplaying the other in the neutral zone.




Your daily unbelievable fact. Metaphorically, it blew my mind. Literally, it caused me to bbm my buddy in disbelief with a bunch of exclamation marks.


Of guys that played at least 400 minutes, Brent Burns had the third highest shots per 60 at even strength, behind only Rick Nash and Jeff Skinner. I realize he’ll be back on defence this season, but if he can carry any of that ‘shot-happy’ style with him into 2014-15, he could fire north of 200.




Sigh. I miss Extra Skater. The same way I miss pop tarts for breakfast and my trusty yo-yo at recess. It just worked. All the data you could ever want, presented in a clear and concise manner – easy to sort and understand.


Alas, there is hope. If you’re looking for advanced numbers check out Stats.HockeyAnalysis.com.




Shootouts admittedly don’t have much of a direct impact in fantasy. I’ve yet to come across a league that counts shootout stats for players (although it’d be intrigued to learn about one in the comments). Instead, their impact is relegated to goalie win/loss totals – which is still rather important.


What always bothers me is how we will declare a player “good” or “bad” at the skills competition based on sample sizes of 30 or 40 attempts. When compared to other sports, this sample size is exceedingly small and would undoubtedly be chalked up statistical noise.


Think of Mike Trout going 4 for 36 at the plate in a week of baseball games. He wouldn’t suddenly be the world’s worst hitter, he’d still be one of the very best, simply working through a perplexing anomaly of attempts.


Or, if Lebron James has a poor shooting night, going 4 for 21 from the field. He’s still the “King” and will probably finish with 38 points next game.


These one-off athletic events inside a game – facing a pitcher or taking a shot at the rim – aren’t dissimilar, at least to my mind, from the shootout. This isn’t to say that some players aren’t inherently bad at shootouts – some of them most likely are. But until we have them taking 300 or 400 in a controlled environment, their current failures will remain a poor predictor of future results.




Evidently Ben Bishop’s surgically repaired wrist isn’t fully healed yet. Maybe Nabokov gets a few more starts than we would expect in the early going. Don’t over draft him, but he could be a nice back-up to dangle in a trade if his workload is artificially heightened.  




I spend a lot of time (ok, too much time) thinking and tweeting about the EA NHL video game series. It’s gotten to the point where most would think that I’m getting a cut of their revenue (I’m not). But hey, the games are fantastic.


There was a discussion on twitter about the most dominant players from recent games. My suggestion was Pavel Bure from NHL 95 – I simply skated around the perimeter untouched, it was glorious. I’m sure there are dozens of other guys over the years, who was your favourite?  




Alex Steen can shoot the puck, in case you didn’t know that already…




Darren Kennedy is a contributor for Dobber Hockey and McKeen’s. You can follow him on twitter @fantasyhockeydk.


#11 rob2kx 2014-08-22 09:59
Fantrax supports a single stat that incorporates Game Winning Goals + Shootout Goals. We use that and I absolutely love it.

I've always like GWG because it adds some emphasis to goal scorers without making it a simple 2 points for a goal relationship, but they are so infrequent that 1 or 2 could win the week. By adding shootout goals to that category, goal scorers are still emphasized and certain specialists gain value.

Toews and Oshie are predictably awesome in this category.
#10 FlyersJoe 2014-08-22 09:02
The Grail has been using Shootout Stats since they were available. Saves and Goals. I think both alter the value of players putting more onus on the GM to use more than just the Dobber Hockey guide to evaluate players. The Grail uses over 30 stats customized into 23 categories. IcyGrail.com/
#9 newfcollins 2014-08-22 08:58
In terms of hockey games, in the 2012ish edition, Evander Kane was awesome. I routinely scored 100 goals a season with him. He had a hard slapshot, was pretty accurate, and hard to knock off his feet.

Generally, for these games, I always trade for big players that are hard to knock down so they don't get checked off the puck that often, and can hammer other guys down a lot (it's not all about scoring). I always took Zack Stortini for a fourth line role and second PK unit. He would score about eight to 10 shorthanded goals a year for me.
#8 Darren Kennedy 2014-08-22 07:25
@newfcollins It adds something different to the pool, I guess. My issue is that much like game winning goals, it's a bit random and hard to draft for any sort of consistency.
#7 Darren Kennedy 2014-08-22 07:24
@ Fast Tony DeNiro Kovalchuk has always been fantastic in those games. Wrist shot accuracy is close to 95, you're able to pick whatever corner you want. And his large frame allows you to stay upright in traffic. I'll sometimes bring him back from Russia in the game.
#6 Darren Kennedy 2014-08-22 07:23
@roenick27 Haha, they were something else. I think I remember a 20 goal game with Jagr at one point, simply fake one way, go the other. Apparently "AI" learning hadn't been developed.
#5 roenick27 2014-08-22 07:16
I'm not sure if you were referring to the nhl's in the 90's as well but I remember JR and Federov doing "the move" at will. I don't remember stats but I'm sur
e they could've potted 10goals a game or something ridiculous.
#4 Fast Tony DeNiro 2014-08-22 04:15
NHL 2003, I started a franchise with Atlanta. Kovalchuk and Heatley were great of course, but Patrik Stefan had a few 100 point seasons, I think he topped out at 124 one year and an Art Ross.

A couple kinda random guys were Branko Radivojevic and Andrew Ference. Both were 68 overalls I believe, Branko was good for 40-50 goals and 85 points per year, with Ference getting 65 like clockwork and winning like three Norris trophies. Branko had speed and good shot power and accuracy, so I'd just set him up constantly. And Ference....I don't know, nothing about him was good....I'd just pass it from him to Stefan to Kovalchuk/Heatl ey and he'd rack up the points.
#3 jebrunquist 2014-08-22 02:38
Our league counts shootout goals as well, slightly less than an actual goal.

The reasoning was that a shootout goal determines the outcome of a game, just like any other goal, even if it technically doesn't count on the stat sheet. Lessening the value made it a little easier to absorb as well.
#2 Wotan 2014-08-21 23:50
Remember Rico Fata? Overallhe was just 72 or something, but he had all the attributes that mattered - I used to slot him in as my no1 C and score a couple of goals every game... Didn't work out that wellfor him in reality... :-)

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